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05 November 2007 @ 10:47 pm
Heroes: "Out Of Time" Episode Review  
Oh holy Gingersnaps....

The Heroisms: How To Defeat The Nightmare Man

Picking up where we left off, HRG has discovered the Series of Eight paintings and is trying to piece all of them together to make sense of it all. He calls Mohinder Suresh, but Mohinder is second-guessing and questioning HRG's motives for the paintings, until the call is cut short by an urgent issue. Bob is evacuating the Company building as Matt and Nathan appear with the death message sent by Maury Parkman, and all five band together in an unlikely team to defeat him. Unfortunately there are complications with this plan, and Bob instructs Matt to reach and stop his father. Matt, uncertain about what he's going to do, visits Molly in the recovery room before coming face-to-face again with his father, ultimately stopping him while confronting his daddy issues. Mohinder and Niki go into the lab to get the virus in case Maury comes at them, though Maury has already gotten into Niki's head and makes her lash out destructively on others, including herself by injecting the virus into her system which causes an unexpected turn of results.

In ancient Japan, Hiro tries to make amends with Kensei but fails as Kensei still feels betrayed with a broken heart. The two go head-to-head in a swordbattle before the camp ground explodes. Thinking he's lost Kensei, Hiro returns to fulfill his destiny with the princess, to discover he is his own childhood legend, and returns back home to present day to a gleeful Ando, and sad news awaits him regarding his father.

Meanwhile, Peter and Caitlin are stuck in the future where the virus pandemic has reached a high body count of nearly everyone worldwide. Both Peter and Caitlin are taken into custody, but Peter gets a surprise visitor that helps him remember certain fraction of his past, although while he remembers that small part he gets transmitted back to Montreal without Caitlin. But he gets an unexpected visitor with a familiar face....

The Characters: The Trusthworthy and the Untrustworthy

Claire and HRG: I'm very happy that Claire's storyline is moving forward, but her actions are becoming more and more reckless and less from the maturity and acceptance/respect she had last season. As much as I want to like Claire, I can't handle the constant boyfriend storyline anymore. Surely I do want her to have a normal teenage life, but she has to understand that her father is doing whatever possible to ensure that can happen. Obviously the Company still wants her and, judging from the lack of common sense she's placing herself more in harm's way by her behavior. As for HRG, I know he wants to protect Claire and his family, but I just wish they would stop dancing in this whirlpool of lies and tell the straightup truth. I want HRG to tell about his mission to stop the Company, however that'll work, and his predicted death -- perhaps that'll place some sense into Claire, knowing that her father's life is in danger.

West: Haha, HRG totally scared him shitless like I freaking predicted! He ran home crying. I hope to GOD that Claire doesn't run away with West, because that would be so...not right, and very Stereotypical Teen Movie angst of them. Also, doesn't anyone else hate that West has taken Zach's role, by not only giving her the Activating Evolution book but the text-messaging? Yeah, uh-huh. And coming into her home uninvited, making waffles very creepy?

Mohinder Suresh: OMG THEY BROKE MO'S NOSE! THEM BASTARDS! *ahem* Okay, had to get that out. I knew it was inevitable based on the painting but dude, it was painful to watch because he has such a gorgeous face. Now moving on with his character in this episode, I know people are going to be all over him based on his decision in the end. I admit I was actually rooting for him to pick up the gun and shoot Bob instead, but I have to say it's completely understandable from his standpoint. He doesn't know HRG's truest motives, aside using Mohinder as an insider in the Company, but how much progress were they making with him being in there anyhow? I consider it, once again, Mohinder's conflictions with morality. Everything around him is morally gray, and despite some of the decisions he's made he is not one to cross that line even when it looks like he might. He's going through the motions, undecided on which side he's on, and I totally understand where he's coming from. He helped Niki, and now has more motive to save not only Niki but to everyone else that may be infected with the virus.

I did, however, wish there were scenes with him reuniting with Molly and Matt, and morbid as I am I wanted to see what kind of nightmare world Maury Parkman would set him in. The ghost of his father? The ghost of Shanti? That would've been interesting, adding more to his moral dilemma and choices.

Niki Sanders: Ah, now we know that Niki is actually herself and not Jessica, so the Company had cured her from the multiple personality disorder situation. Interesting. Well, they had confirmed it was the disorder but I kind of was curious as to the "how" and "why" they wanted her. I do want to know how they reversed it, because if it's truly Niki she has both herself and Jessica's mannerisms; like they're acting as one, so I guess that's what confused me when she came to meet with Mohinder in the last episode. Her stride totally read Jessica, but if the Company had cured her then it would make sense if it's the mixture of both; the softness of character but the strength in muscle and poise. It's also interesting how Maury had gotten into her head like that, shown her the worst nightmare of her life, being her husband DL and the threatening of her family. But dude, injecting herself with the virus only to discover that she cannot be cured? That's gotta suck. Also, leads to more questions but that'll be for later.

Matt Parkman: This was a particularly amazing episode regarding Matt. He faces his father, confronts his daddy issues and saves Molly. That entire scene in the recovery room, using his telepathy in the new way he learned to communicate with her through his own thoughts...that was just so sweet, I nearly cried. I also LOVED how he managed to trap his father in his own worst nightmare. That was awesome. Awww, he totally loves Molly and is a better father than Maury would ever be. When he started to apologize for leaving Matt, I kept thinking "nope, too many years too late dude, you failed" and Matt taking Molly out of her nightmare. So adorable, I smiled and squeed.

Molly Walker: Adorable as ever, although the nightmare she was trapped in was completely different than the one shown in the graphic novels where it had Molly living in her own personal Nightmare on Elm Street world. Ah well, perhaps it had been in the beginning before trapping her inside that one.

Nathan Petrelli: Although he didn't have much of the action this go around, I still loved every single scene he was in, from when he was walking side-by-side with Matt in the hallway to the room where all of them were gathered together right down to when he discovered that Peter was still alive and him demanding everything was Bob about his whereabouts. Complete with HoYay with this, many Petrellicesters are going to be on heated seats squeeing about how powerful Nathan's voice was and his expression as soon as Bob told him that Peter was still alive. Speaking of which....

Peter Petrelli: Finally has some recognition regarding his memories, and by what though? Was it Mama Petrelli in the future who did it, is that her ability? To allow people to remember things they've forgotten? Anyway, there was the moment of truth for him when he transported into the future to see what is to come, like a mixture of his vision from last season and "Five Years Gone". Now he has a chance to prevent such a tragedy from happening, if he can get passed one particular obstacle being Adam Monroe and their supposed alliance from the last four months.

Kensei, a.k.a. Adam Monroe: The most revealing piece of information that was MADE OF COMPLETE AWESOME! Though, I admit I was spoiled for this reveal but it doesn't make it any less awesome, although I had assumed his name would've been Kane (connection of Kensei = Kane, you know). But whatever. I had my suspicions about the Adam Monroe identity and after the village/camp was destroyed in ancient Japan and Kensei vowing: "you will suffer" definitely sealed my predictions. Of course it was meant to be, he is immortal after all and his immortality could definitely survive such a blow. Meaning more interesting news for Claire's abilities and what she can do, but that's for another speculation post altogether. I feel sorry for Kensei though, he had loved Yaeko even though she loved the heroic actions Kensei had done. It's sort of sad, when you think about it. Kensei's heart was broken by Hiro's inability to keep his feelings from changing history....and now, Kensei's motive is based around his broken heart and betrayal, all caused by Hiro's actions. Devastating, really.

Hiro Nakamura: I love Hiro, and I liked that he tried to mend things with Kensei but he should've known better than to fall in love with the princess despite his feelings. He's broken history and had caused the destruction of the present world based on the murders. Of course if he hadn't intervened with the past the present would've never taken place, but he could've changed the outcome if he had prior knowledge. It's going to be interesting once Hiro and Kensei, now known as Adam, cross paths again, which will be inevitable. Though poor Hiro, learning about his dad. Now it's his turn to say: "My name is Hiro Nakamura, you killed my father, prepare to die!" Should get interesting.

The Episode: Trust Issues and Moral Ambiguity

This is exactly what all this centers around, the issues involving trust and moral ambiguous decisions all these characters make to figure out their lives and to survive. Which is probably why I love this show, it's all one gigantic morally gray universe; there is no specific black or white side, good or evil, it's a mixture of both. The moral questioning is someting so realistic to our own lives, that I can understand certain character's decisions even though we, as an audience, think differently regarding what's happening in the show and the consequences.

I will, once again, rehash Mohinder's moral ambiguousness because essentially he is the white light and heart of the show; as everyone's saying his heart and intentions are in the right place, he just has to know which side he stands on. This is the biggest issue for his character this season. In the premiere we discovered that Mohinder had partnered with HRG to take down the Company, everyone cheered and was happy that he'd become a double agent for a good cause, because we believe that organization is evil and will continue to do bad things to people. Then Mohinder slowly started to become familiar with their systems and started seeing that despite the moral wrongness of their operations, there are some upsides to the Company in regards to helping others. Like Niki for example; she'd given Mohinder the piece of information that she had done horrible things because she was out of control and dangerous, and the Company had every right to get rid of her but didn't. This took Mohinder by surprise because he believed they would experiment/get rid of people with abilities that they considered an outright threat or a danger. Even Bob had mentioned in the preview episode that Mohinder was the Company's sense of conscience, that he was there to keep them in line. Now to trust anything Bob says would be a mistake, and while Mohinder doesn't trust him completely I do think he's seen more of Bob's openness than HRG's, especially at this point of the season.

As an audience we know the context of the scenes and the consequences if certain things are going to be happening, so of course we would be shouting at the television screen for Mohinder to not trust or go with Bob's advice and stay with his alliance with HRG who while morally gray himself is more good than evil, but because Mohinder only knows so much and has been exposed to certain things that he'd seen there at the Company his trust in HRG is waning to a point where he doesn't know which side he should be on anymore. Is he with the Company or against it? Does he trust HRG completely with his life? Does taking away the Company ensure the spread of the virus? All this is going through his head, and there's no time to make a "pro and con" list. It's an "act now, morality later" kind of situation they're all in, and it's the fate of many lives at stake.

Was telling Bob about being in cahoots with HRG a bad idea? Absolutely. Is he placing himself at risk for siding with Bob, taking the gun and possibly betraying HRG? Of course, but this was a necessary step for him to take. He's at a crossroads, disobey Bob and he's risking an outbreak of the pandemic, on the other hand disobey HRG and he's risking his own life and the trust of the only man who's willing to help save others from the grasp of the Company's alternative intentions for experimentation. It's a trap, and he has to choose between the two which he believes is the better one. He chose the necessary evil, even if it may mean going against his good-nature.

But I have a feeling, with what Claire mentioned in the beginning of the season, that she may be willing to cooperate because she does want to help people and the world and if Mohinder persuades her to help prevent the virus from spreading she will do it despite her father's objections and means necessary to keep her away from that place.

I kind of see Mohinder as the Lee Adama or the Sam Winchester of the Heroes universe. Aside from the daddy/trust issues, there's that sense of doing the right thing and having the morality, goodness of heart and conscience of the whole entire show. Which is precisely what Mohinder is, we've seen him do things that some would consider stupid or brainless, but his intentions behind them are from the heart even if the outcome isn't exactly how he planned it to be.

Heroes is definitely a morally gray kind of show, no matter what's happening or which character is being featured. Every week you're wondering whose side someone is on, whom to trust and so forth. It really makes you think, and I love that.

The Glees and Squees!

++ Mohinder/Matt/Bob/Niki/Nathan = the Special Force Five! Quite an unlikely group of Heroes teaming up to take down Maury Parkman, and I liked how we saw a different side to Bob this episode than before. Of course, we're not sure he's revealed everything or being entirely truthful but he did sound very sincere when talking to each individual.

++ Matt getting Molly out from her comatose nightmare and their reunion was so adorable! Awww, and he said he loved her, repeatedly, and he totally is a better father than Maury ever was. Which means he completely confronted that particular personal demon of his, to never turn into what his father had become. And he would never do something like that to Molly. I also loved how he apologized to her, and how he communicated with her by transmitting his thoughts to her. I think I read that in a fanfic somewhere....

++ I had kind of wished Mohinder would've reunited with Molly and Matt too. In fact I expected to see Mohinder lingering in the background as Matt was giving his emotional speech to Molly, or even after she'd woken up. I wanted to see that happy little family reunited again. I just hope in the "Four Months Ago" episode we at least get a snippet of the Suresh-Parkman-Walker domestic homelife, or else I'll have to be tempted to write one myself dammit. I mean, c'mon! Isn't that the most adorablest setup ever?

++ Nathan's ruffled hair = teh sex. Seriously, I loved it. Also, Nathan's reaction to Peter being alive? FOR. THE. WIN.

++ Also, why is it every time in a possible apocalyptic future Nathan always appears dead? Someone explain that to me.

++ When Mohinder was looking at the results of Niki's transfusion only to discover that his blood wasn't curing her from th virus, it TOTALLY reminded of Gaius Baltar finding out that Boomer was a Cylon, except Mohinder had to tell Niki the truth whereas Gaius hid it due to fear. The same with Peter being completely naked reminding me of Apollo's towel malfunction and Matt being emotional over Molly like Dean was with Sam (or Kara to Kacey). OMG SEE THE CONNECTIONS ARE SOOOO THERE! FANDOM PARALLELS COLLIDING!! Or it could just be me, being completely insane so I'll shut up now and continue on....

++ I was TOTALLY RIGHT about Peter being underneath the Company's care, along with Sylar but that has yet to actually be revealed. But yeah, totally nailed that one. HA!!

++ West totally flew around scared. HAHA! Sorry, but that just makes me laugh for some reason.

++ "Does your nose hurt?" "Only when I breathe." Awww, Mohinder still sarcastic even with a broken nose. My poor baby. Though I do find the bandage kind of hot, even if it's distracting from his gorgeous face.

++ I don't want Mohinder to kill HRG or betray him, but this has to be said: Mohinder + having a gun = GUHworthy.

++ HIRO AND ANDO REUNITED AGAIN, YAY! :D :D :D Only for Hiro to find out about his father, which is very sad indeed. *tears*

++ DL came back! If only for an illusioned nightmare from Niki, but still! YAY!

++ Ah, Bennet Family Feuds, featuring Noah and Claire and their trust issues. Gotta hand it to Jack Coleman and Hayden Panetierre though, despite the dragging out of Claire's storyline they are GOLD on screen together.

++ Dude, I think the pandemic is even scarier than the explosion from last season. I mean, a deadly virus that can create a mutation that affects anyone and eventually wiping out everyone in the world, save a few? That's incredibly scary. Also, because of what happened to Niki, I have to say this is mostly the Company's fault because they had tampered with the virus in the first place. Oh Lordy show, you are good.

++ Maury Parkman = still a deadbeat father and creepy bastard. Good for Matt for trapping him inside his own nightmare, that was sweet.

++ OMG THIS SHOW IS AMAZING I LOVE IT THIS WAS THE BEST EPISODE EVER OMGOMGOMG!!! Seriously, the pacing was awesome, so much happened it was just just simply amazing, it actually felt like Heroes from last season.

++ Also, notice how the title-card eclipse is green instead of orange/yellow? Awesome.

Overall: Dude, best episode of the season hands down, and this is putting it mildly. The only way anything could top this is if they dedicated an entire episode to the Mohinder/Matt/Molly domestic family, now THAT would be the bestest thing ever. Some will say it's cluttered, too much placed into one episode, but judging from the limited amount of episodes left because of the strike happening and we're having an early finale (if the strike continues longer than anticipated, of course), then we do have to wrap up certain things like this. Also as mentioned before, Tim Kring had promosed everything will get better from here on out, and hopefully so because I'm tired of hearing people bitch and complain about the season in general. I mean yes, storylines could've been better introduced and fleshed out but I LOVE where it's all going. Also, I want Heroes to get a third season and hopefully ratings will go up during this time of the strike, which is very ironic considered. Heh. Either way, yay for this episode! Only downside that there was no Sylar, but that's okay. We'll get him next week.

In short, Heroes has finally gotten its groove back, baby!

Who wants to bet that Heroes is going to get a lot better in the ratings from this episode onward? Which would make the network and us fans happy, and if the strike ceases a possibility for the second part of the season to uphold, which I am starting to wish for. Sort of like what they do with Psych, have a mid-season finale and pick it up to finish it off. I don't know, it's an idea that could happen.
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helio, helium girlheliotitans on November 6th, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC)
i'm so ldjflasjñfa with the Adam thing that i can only say SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 07:01 pm (UTC)
Heee! It seems either everyone is tongue-tied with glee over the whole episode or the Adam Monroe reveal, whith is not a bad thing. It means this show is doing something right for everyone. :D
Jbeauty_awake on November 6th, 2007 05:25 pm (UTC)
OY!!! *HAND TO FOREHEAD* I had this really long response post to yours and I accidentally deleted it! BAHHH!!!

Okay... I have opinions but I am too tired to write...

I have LOTS OF OPINIONS... GIMME A BITand I will write them down...

Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 07:00 pm (UTC)
Awww, I'm sorry it got all deleted. Surely you have loads of opinions, and I can't wait to read them! :D
Tracy: Andersalexwhitman25 on November 6th, 2007 08:06 pm (UTC)
And coming into her home uninvited, making waffles very creepy?
That was so creepy. That's when I really started yelling Clue In Claire!!!

Ah, now we know that Niki is actually herself and not Jessica,
I was so confused about that last week.

Matt was so awesome in this episode. It was nice to see him kicking ass.

You know how excited I am about Kensei/Adam!!

I'm annoyed with/disappointed in Hiro in some ways. He broke history and created a monster. But it will be interesting.

Dude, best episode of the season hands down,
For reals! And I agree with you about the ratings. I think everything is finally going to pick up and start melding now and the audience will pick the show back up now. I hope so!
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 08:23 pm (UTC)
It did seem like Claire was starting to get that look in the beginning, right? Her befuddled and confused and angry look of having West come into her home without her knowledge or permission. And then they made out on the couch...which, I SO did not want to see. West is still crreeeeppyy....

It was definitely nice to see Matt confront his personal issues in this episode, and him coming to terms with his father and saving Molly. I KNEW he was going to pull her out of the nightmare/coma, not only from what we know of his ability but because I've read the very scene in several stories so it was like AH HA, there it is! Yay, go Matt! His "I love you" to her was so sweet, so adorably sincere that I swear I had tears in my eyes. I kind of wished Mohinder had rushed in and done the same, but I have a feeling that would've been asking too much yes? Because I do love the Mohinder/Molly/Matt family and hope they get reunited again.

Hiro's attempts to change history were from the heart, because he clearly hadn't known what was going to happen (his powers automatically transported him to ancient Japan to let him do all that, just like Peter and the future thing). But it's the part where he betrayed Kensei that gets me.

I know he tried to make amends, but I think Hiro is the one who has to stop Kensei/Adam now because he DID fuck things up to make him that way.

This episode totally ROCKED! See, and I KNEW that the show would start picking up around the later episodes, and here everyone was bitching about how not good the episodes were and I'm all, dudes it's only the beginning of the season, chill out! Seriously. Am I the only optimistic one about this season?
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Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 08:50 pm (UTC)
Firstly, I'm flattered that my comments amuse you. ;)

Second, if you're asking about LJ-Cuts you can find instructions how to do that in the LiveJournal FAQ. Now, if you're asking how to create links like the one I just did, it's a simple <*a href="the URL link here"> whatever you want to say <*/a>. Just remove the asterisks and you're all set.

Also, no problem. I understand that first-time users of this site can get confused how to manage and maintain it in the beginning. So I hope this helps some for you.
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Renéerogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
Regarding the LJ-cut, it's like this: <*lj-cut text="whatever you want to say here"> and you write whatever you want that'll be hidden underneath the cut and afterwards you put <*/lj-cut>.

For linking, just simply copy+paste the URL address of whatever entry/page you want to be linked.
jirucloud on November 7th, 2007 08:53 am (UTC)
Yay!! comment... part one!

Okay, I am totally with you on the Claire thing... this constant drama and stupid West storyline has been dragging us through a mire of boredom for far too long now! If the writers weren't on strike, I'd send them a letter... lol

everytime West talks, I'm creeped out. If I woke up to a guy who hasn't introduced himself/ been mentioned by me in my house, fixing my parents waffles... I don't know! I would've thought the first time she saw him peeking at her would be enough! And what about the car? I'm still curious about that...

Ooh... a nightmare for Suresh~~ I think maybe him seeing Molly in pain was his biggest nightmare right then, though a Maury one would've totally been Shanti! (I also liked how they called it the Shanti virus in the future!) And I was upset at the end too... gah! Mohinder!!! You need a guide to help you... x.x

I missed where they got the virus at all, actually... and how the f did they get a new strain?? Ah well... thats what you get for being with the Company... *shakes head* I wonder if Micah will end up with the virus in a touching scene of fatal reunion? Also, I hope its not also homeopathic after Mohinder smashed them all... AND! Maury/DL was right... she would end up killing many, as seen in the future.

I really liked how Matt's storyline turned out ^.^ Nice work Matt! And well done for having a good ending to one of your storylines ^.^

I didn't read the comics, but wasn't the place supposed to be the hotel room she found for Matt? The one Matt and Nathan visited later? hmm... maybe thats what the inside looked like in her mind?

HoYay? I always forget what that means x.x But yes! I really liked Nathan's comments through the whole episode... about how the Company always gave more questions instead of answers and such... badass!Nathan is here ^.^

I didn't think they had an alliance per se... I thought Adam just knew about him and wanted to use him since they seem to have similar powers... I don't think Mama Petrelli has those powers, it was more of a mental jog to meet someone he knew and was so close to before the amnesia... hmm... do you wonder if Peter's amnesia was caused by the Haitian?

Ah! I see now! I was confused with the whole time-travelling and reasons and such, but that makes much more sense... (oh no! I didn't spoil it for you did I??) Oh man, I almost DIED when I saw that... I get too sucked in and end up getting completely surprised! I wish they could go back and be with Yaeko again... ;.;

Oh man! Hiro can pull a Mohinder!!! ^.^ 'This is revenge!' lol... Oh Hiro, I hadn't thought of it that way, actually... oh man... how crazy is that? I thought that he absorbed powers and took Hiro's time movement, but I see the whole immortal thing much easier... how long the hatred must have been there! T.T Also, his existence shows that these mutations have been around a lot longer than it seemed! It seemed like all this was fairly recent with Father Suresh's book and studies, but this means they've been around for... ever?

A good point about openness... even though Bob is bad and makes bad choices a lot, he was more open than the silent and bossy HRG... especially with Bob's whole 'I've been working here for 20 years blah-di-blah' speech... but still... he's HRG! How can you not follow him?? lol

am I not the only one who was shouting at the screen then? ^.^


Oh yes, I'm definitely getting that feeling about Claire too... that would redeem her TERRIBLE storyline with West ^.^

lol, I thought you were going to end with 'and I love Mohinder' ^.^
Renée: Nathan. Shotgun.rogueslayer452 on November 7th, 2007 09:29 am (UTC)
West is just creepy and I suspect him to be evil, and nothing will convince me otherwise. I know the writers wanted Claire to have a love interest, but that's not how it's being precieved. Everything he's done thus far points to being a creepy stalkerboy. Claire, you can do SO much better than this.

I did want a nightmare world for Mohinder, because getting inside his head and seeing his worst fears would've been interesting to see.

That's the biggest mystery though, where did they get the virus? How was it being created to have been in those dozens of tubes in the lab and experimented with to great alternated versions? It's interesting that the Company would want to stop the virus from spreading but also actively manipulate it for their own purposes -- leading me to believe they created it, or Adam Monroe had created it somewhere down the line of his life. Or, perhaps because Shanti was the first they perserved her body to gather the virus or something? Okay, now I'm getting morbid again....

In Molly's nightmare where Matt found her, it was set in Matt's childhood home the night Maury had left him, which allowed Matt to reverse the nightmare onto his father to escape with Molly. In the graphic novels, Molly's nightmare is...well, scary as hell. A twisted world that Maury created out of her own fears.

Nathan's comment of "Lose him? How can you LOSE SOMEONE!?" referring to Peter's disappearance was awesome. That was great, I love badass!Nathan and how he calmed Niki down too. So awesome. (Oh, and HoYay = "homoeroticism yay" ;D)

Judging from the preview for next week, it seems that the Haitian does have a connection with Peter and probably is the cause of his memory loss (and the Godsend necklace Peter now possesses, which originally was the Haitian's), and I have a feeling it's because he knew things and didn't want to be found out. Luckily we'll be finding most of it when we go four months back in next week's episode. I also do think that he and Adam did create an alliance, or Adam had convinced him of certain things because they were both being held within the Company's facilities. Hmmm, can't wait to find out more about this.

Well, Chandra Suresh had written the book about people with abilities but that didn't mean that these people didn't already have them before. I mean, look at the Older Generation -- Angela Petrelli, Kaito Nakamura and the rest of them. Obviously it had been happening, but slowly, gradually, starting with one person and now ending up with many. It IS evolution, after all, what the show is mainly about, and I like that. I wonder if Kensei is the ancestory grandfather and creator of all of them. Very symbolic to his name Adam, isn't it?

I was wanting Mohinder to betray Bob, and I admit I was disappointed that he told him about his and HRG's alliance, but in the end it makes sense. HRG, while honorable and badass as he is, has only one personal agenda on his mind, whereas Mohinder is being faced with this deadly virus that could potentially spread if not dealt with immediately. He has to act, even if it means siding with the Company to do the right thing. So I understand his motives, even if it's questionable.

And I DO love Mohinder. You know that. ;D
jirucloud on November 7th, 2007 11:09 pm (UTC)
I know! I'm glad that he has powers since first season she was all 'I'm alone'... but this? Come on! Ugh...

Aww, but poor Mohinder though! lol ^.^ Maybe Maury will pop up again later when we least expect it?

But, Shanti is Indian... I would think that she would've been cremated, you know? Hmm, it would be interesting... in a way, Mohinder and Shanti are a lot like Maya and Alejandro, I think ^.^

Yeah, I still don't get how thats a nightmare for Molly at all, especially since Maury was all surprised by the whole rescue and being brought there... hmm...

lol! I always somehow think its Hiro... I'm like... HirOYATTA?? lol badass!Nathan needs to stick around ^.^

YAY! I was too busy recapping the entire series of Heroes to my roommate who walked in as I was spazzing out at the end, lol! Yay for the Haitian!!! He needs so many storylines! though, just the walking was pretty awesome too ^.^

Ooh! I hadn't thought of his name that way! You always point out such cool things! ^.^ Hmm... I wonder whos Eve...

Yeah, I can see it, but still! Mohinder? why? lol... time for some death!tea for Bob, I think... tee!

How could I not? lol ^.^
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 7th, 2007 11:35 pm (UTC)
I doubt Maury will return, he was pretty much the step up to realizing who the REAL Big Bad of the season was, being Adam. Also this gave Matt a chance to get over his daddy issues, something I really loved about this episode too.

Hmmm, very true, Shanti would've been cremated...unless Chandra had been in cahoots with someone who had been part of the Company and asked for help regarding the illness she had, discovering the Virus therefore leading up to Chandra's desperate search/need to find others out there like Shanti. I don't know, I'm spouting off harebrained theories but it's something not out of the realm of possibility!

I think Maury was surprised that Matt had purposefully dragged him into that nightmare world, since he was so surprised that he wasn't in control anymore.

Heh, I really the symbolisms and mythologies in shows, and Heroes seems to have it, which makes it interesting.
jirucloud on November 8th, 2007 06:16 am (UTC)
Maybe, but I'm always suspicious of characters mysteriously returning on Heroes, lol. >.> <.< >.>

LOL! *Anything* is possible in the Heroesverse... I was actually thinking of similar possibilities when I posted! lol

lol, who knew Matt would step up like that? I'm proud, especially considering he was kind of a pushover last season...

Its all so interesting to me too! I think thats what draws people, all the intricacies and complexities that aren't just about who hooked up with who ^.^
Renée: Mohinder/Molly. HugSquee!rogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 06:27 am (UTC)
There are many possibilities in this show....characters that are supposedly dead aren't, those that you thought are evil are actually good. It's this one gigantic mystery!

Matt's storyline last season was slow-going at first, but I'm very happy everything picked up this season. It's so refreshing to see him become a father-figure towards Molly. I think that's probably WHY I've liked his character more this season; Matt and Mohinder raising Molly together is BEYOND adorable. :D
jirucloud on November 8th, 2007 10:42 pm (UTC)
lol, as it should be ^.^ Its Heroes~~ ^.^ lol

I know! He wasn't doing much at all except being in a failing marriage and career, but now! Yay! I wonder what the force thinks of his forever!vacations, and if Molly's extended absence may make Matt and Mohinder get in trouble with Molly's custody o.o
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 10:51 pm (UTC)
Maybe, or maybe not. It's obvious there are...holes in which the custody could go awry, but Mohinder and Matt love her and Molly loves them both equally too. So I'd say, despite those mishaps, Mohinder/Molly/Matt are a good family.

that and it's my wish to see them all live happily ever after together, like that'll ever happen but a girl can dream can't she? :)
jirucloud on November 7th, 2007 08:53 am (UTC)
lol, what a weird team... although Niki and Matt have been together/killing each other since the start...

I know!!! And Molly's 'I heard' ...LUFF!!!

LOL! They totally need a group hug ♥

lol... I liked his 'the Companys evil!' snippets at everything Bob said ^.^

Nathan and NYC... destined to die... x.x I hadn't noticed that before though, lol... he really doesn't seem to be very prone to life...

I think I must've been to freaked out over everything to absorb the Company's care... but we all know Sylar and the Company... totally set up, lol.

I was just glad West left... >.>

LOL! Even the bandage is hot??? *shakes head* I hope you're not trying to take my favourite character-- *throws Sylar at you* lol ^.^

Mohinder just always needs a weapon... although, I think his tea is my favourite weapon ^.^ I want him to just pop up onto a battlefield with an ornate little tea cup like 'tea?' lol!

YAY!! I'm so glad they got back together!! Especially with Ando being so upset over the scrolls ending... lol at the scroll-guy skipping ahead! tee!

lol, it was evil!DL though! ;.;

;.; They need to trust each other more!!! gah! Go hug each other and tell each other what's up!

oh man... and that huge room filled with dead bodies where the guy was like 'its been a bad week' x.x Oh! And is Caitlin trapped in the future now??? Peter!! Go save her!!!

lol, I wonder if he'll be able to get out?

I know!!! Seriously I was so full of emotions afterwards!!! The love of Hiro and Yaeko, the craziness of Adam Monroe being Kensei, the virus being unleashed, Nathan trash-talking the Company, HRG and Mohinder being all cool... too good!

I did! Its for green awareness ^.^

comment... part two!

What? They might not have a third season??? Heroes needs to be forever!!! And... the strike... omg! Please don't rush everything into a sooner finale!!! T.T

omg... they better have lots more! especially since the virus is all centered around June!!! x.x What will we do! Heroes!!!

Renée: Mohinder. Hot in Haiti.rogueslayer452 on November 7th, 2007 09:48 am (UTC)
It was an oddball of people to group together, but it was still awesome. That's what makes this show though, instead of having character stand-alones we have character get-togethers to SAVE THE WORLD! Like Justice League or something. Hee! And Niki has been involved with everyone in that group, either violently or sexually.

Matt and Molly were so adorable! Awww.

Nathan and NYC is a BAD combination. He should move, because that city seems to be a danger zone for disaster. *shakes head*

It'll be interesting to see how Peter had handled being underneath the Company's care, and I don't think he even knew about it before or that it even existed. Sylar and the Company should also be interesting to witness, but perhaps Sylar had been underneath the orders of Adam instead of the Company (but how would that be possible if Adam had escaped from imprisonment as Bob had said? Hmmm)

Hey! Both Sylar and Mohinder are on my favorite hot character list, m'kay? But I'll compromise...we can both share Mohinder, how's that? XD

Mohinder and his Chai Tea recipe of Death! Hee!

It was frightening about the possible future, the outbreak of the Shanti Virus killing nearly most of the people in the world. That's some freaky shit right there -- almost very Battlestar Galactica and the annihilation of the entire human race, but instead of Cylons it's the damn virus. Hopefully they do find a solution and Peter, or Hiro or Mohinder or someone or ALL OF THEM can save the world from becoming that. And we thought the "Five Years Gone" future was bad. Eeek!

This episode definitely left me feeling so...emotionally pumped afterwards, you know? So much happened, and I loved it. Yay!

Unfortunately we don't know what might happen. The strike is affecting all networks and shows, though I am glad that Kring and Co. have a backup plan for an early finale, even if it means stopping at episode 11 instead of the 23 episodes they were to have this season. It's good that even if the strike lasts longer -- which it better not, because I want MORE HEROES DAMMIT! -- it means we won't be left with a cliffhanger. The future for television is unknown because of this strike, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Suffer as we might. :(

I agree though, it better have a third season. Or at least finish up the second half of this current one sometime in 2008.
jirucloud on November 7th, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
LOL! I hope she doesn't spread the virus from lots of sex then! Oh Niki... you're so crazy ^.^;;

I know! I'm really getting into their relationship~~ though I'm afraid that Heroes is going to throw me aside now that I like them by doing something terrible with that ;.;

*shakes head* oh my... but then I suppose we wouldn't have Heroes? ^.^

yeah... and what about Candace? I thought she was strong with the Company so... maybe he's like Lucifer and took some fallen angels with him? I wonder if Sylar was subservient???? Or maybe Adam made him feel like a god instead and filled him with boasts and pride... do you think he'll get his powers back?

Lol!! Okay, okay... I accept your compromise ^.^ But I get the Haitian too ^.^

Hee! I want his not-death!tea though... I bet he has really exotic but subtle teas in his kitchen ^.^ Mohinder! Stop getting in trouble and being distressed and come make us dinner! ^.^

I know! And all the deportations! Wasn't it world-wide too??? Mohinder, badass!Nathan and everyone else... come save the world! T.T

Lol! I was so many emotions! I was literally spinning in circles covering my eyes and mouth alternatively in shock and surprise! Oh Heroes... why do you suck me in like this?? *loves it*

I want it to be over now... I don't have the Daily Show and Colbert Report... Heroes!!! OMG WHAT WOULD I DO??? and House too! T.T And *more* reality tv shows? dear lord wtf??? There's already too much! Oh man! and no Soup tomorrow either! T.T I'm so distressed... lol

AMEN! T.T I want my Heroes! And besides, if Kring read our comments, he'd have a *lot* of awesome spin-offs he could make it he got tired of destroying/saving the world ^.^
Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on November 7th, 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
I don't know, the responses to the fatherly relationship Mohinder and Matt have with Molly have been incredibly positive, especially with the Mohinder/Molly/Matt family setup -- which is BEYOND adorable. But with this show, you never know. I want to House of M3 to return, no more dangers to worry about, just a cute little happy family that they should be.

Regarding Sylar and his powers, I have a feeling that once he reaches his destination or once the Company catches him, he might regain his abilities. I don't know how that'll work, if he has the virus or not, but there's definitely a connection between him, the virus, and the Company and there's a reason why he's with the Maya and Alejandro...perhaps they could act as a vaccine for the virus despite the deadliness of Maya's Black Tears of Death. Again, I'm not sure how that works, but it's just a theory so who knows? As for Candice and the Company, it's a hard sell. She could've been a lackey for both organizations (Linderman's and the Company's), mindlessly following orders but never really questioning them. It's strange, but from next week's episode it looks like we'll be getting an answer to that.

This season's slogan seems to now be: "Kidnap The Cheerleader, Save The World" or perhaps "Find A Cure, Save The World".

The strike is just ridiculous, and the producers have their heads fully up their asses because they don't want to give what the writer's deserve and are demanding. It's not even a lot to consider or give, even! If they're not willing to cooperate, then everything's going to get shot to hell in a handbasket.
jirucloud on November 8th, 2007 06:20 am (UTC)
aww, how nice that would be... but not very Heroeslike, lol... Hopefully they'll be able to be a happy family again (or at least show it a lot during next week's episode ^.^)

There are a lot of interesting things that need to be explained... especially the CAR! I'm so hung up on that... sometimes I think I might be going crazy because I swear that everything is connected on this show... lol

tee! I think thats a much better line than 'WHATS... IN... THE BOX????' lol

I know!!! T.T so sad and terrible... all my shows T.T Hopefully it'll be over soon... there are only so many realitie shows left, right?? RIGHT?? *flails*
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 06:37 am (UTC)
This show tends to have the theme of dysfunctional families, but it's still a theme of family and togetherness nevertheless. Oh! And I heard there are going to be scenes for the M3 household in the next episode. I don't know how much, because they do have loads to cover over what happened during that four month period, but I can't wait! More Mohinder/Molly/Matt cuteness!! ♥

Heh, you haven't read the recent graphic novels have you? They explained about the Bennet family car that was stolen and now Sylar/Maya/Alejandro are traveling in. Apparently it was part of a college fraternity hazing ritual where that American guy in the Mexican jail, Derek, had stolen and to perform tasks to travel to Mexico. Somewhat of a minor detail, but I agree there are plenty of things connected in the Heroesverse. Like the advertising of the Nissan Rogue (being Claire's car) and the repeated usage/mention of iPhones. Ahoy, random advertisements!

OMG, "THE BOX!!" The dramatics! XD Oh NBC....

Reality TV blows. We need shows like Heroes to keep us entertained and make us THINK and USE OUR BRAINS! Seriously. Would we be having an engaging discussion about reality shows like we are now about Heroes? Didn't think so.
jirucloud on November 8th, 2007 10:47 pm (UTC)
Aww! And since Mohinder was there... COOKING!! Molly will be so happy ^.^ Also, I sometimes wonder if Kring had family issues to have it be so prevalent in his series...

I haven't been! I barely have time for the show, and the comics never really grabbed my interest T.T LOL! And thats why hazing is bad... x.x;; Yes, product placement, much? The label on the bottle of water that Mohinder gave Monica looked really familiar to me, too... the green label... lol

LOL! The writers of Heroes taglines... they can stay on strike, lol

I don't know... I mean, the Bachelor... pretty intense stuff there... and... umm... Survivor... theres some... cultural stuff thrown in there too... *doesn't watch these at all* lol... WRITERS! COME BACK!
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
Hee! But really, who doesn't have family issues of some kind?

*gasp* You haven't been reading the graphic novels, even after I told you about them some time ago? For shame! XD Seriously, even if they don't grab your interest you should check them out. I've read some that aren't that captivating, but it does give some neat insights.

Or you can the Volume One Hardcover of the comics. :)

I don't think it's the writers that decide on the taglines, it's the network to attract viewers I think. Either way, while some aren't that great (i.e. "the box!"), I really like "A Storm's Coming" -- sounds very omnious.
jirucloud on November 8th, 2007 11:13 pm (UTC)
lol, very true ^.^;;

*hides* I'm sorry!! I'll make sure to make some time for them soon, okies? Especially if they'res some of the Haitian in them ^.^

Hahaha! Do you want that? If so, I know its mainly because Sylar is HUGE on the cover, lol!

True... but, if I hadn't ever watched Heroes, I'd be like '... ... ...wtf box???' the storm one is much better... maybe they're getting better along the way? ^.^

Oh, and btw, do you know anywhere I could find Mohinder's voiceover quotes? I was looking at your profile one today (as I can't figure out how to make the accented e easily, lol) and got all nostalgic! tee!
Renée: Mohinder. Hot in Haiti.rogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
Hee, well that and the artwork is so freaking cool and it's just awesome, but that's obvious. XD

As for Mohinder's quotes, I mainly go looking through the Heroes episode guide by clicking on the episodes and looking for quotes.
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: heroes//firelotuseyes on November 8th, 2007 05:02 am (UTC)
I...will prolly get around to commenting on the rest of the post later on, when its not nearly midnight and I need to go and kick my sister out of my bed so I can sleep on something that is NOT HARDWOOD FLOORING (coated with 6 inches of ages old wax). ::ahem::

West was creepy. Hands down.

Did you read the interview where Tim Kring admitted HOW WRONG he was with the whole West thing? mwahahahaha sucks to be the guy playing West, how must he feel knowing that he's hated FAR WORSE then the serial killer last season or hell any baddie this season? Not even hated in a good way. he's hated in a bad bad way.

I just want to say 'serves you right Caitlin' cause frankly she was annoying to me. Though I find it interesting that Peter might have just caused the destruction of that entire family.

I always thought Mama Petrelli's power was the ability to Kill if she ever really smiled. Though the ability to recover lost memories is a better gift.

I missed Sylar ;.;

I cried a wee bit during the whole Mama Petrelli/Peter scene. And seriously Nathan must just be fated to die. Obviously he has not place in ANY future, so why not just end it now? (I don't mean that I love Nathan, he's got this sexy thing going on this season that I enjoy FAR MORE then his politician of last season). I liked the look between Niki and Nathan when they met in the hall it was like 'mmm I got me my new significant other!' (I miss DL and Heidi, but...I like Niki/Nathan as a couple).

I seriously wanted Peter to remember Claire in the middle of the Mama Petrelli memories deluge.

Mohinder...oh Mohinder...

ps: I am friending you and I also bought the Heroes GN Hardcover 'cause my computer won't let me load the graphic novels so I now get to catch up on all the ones I keep hearing about XD
Renée: Mohinder/Molly. HugSquee!rogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 05:25 am (UTC)
I did read that interview, and I have to say I'm impressed, and I'm also very glad that Kring is acknowledging this and planning on changing things in the future. While I have enjoyed and loved this season despite some of those faults, I agree that romance isn't their strongest suit. If anything they can be vague about it but for main central points? Not so much. It seemed there were too much in-your-face romance plotting and...it just wasn't Heroes. I'd rather have subtext than that, personally speaking.

West is all sorts of creepy, ever since day one. I never trusted him, and with that stunt of coming into Claire's home, unannounced and uninvited making waffles was just...beyond the pervy/stalkerish radar. I mean really.

Heh, Mama Petrelli's ice coldness can send Death Rays into a person on sight, but I would find it interesting if her ability was a counterpart to the Haitian's. I did get slightly wimpering during that reunion, even if it was in the other Dark and Terrible Future. Just having him recall those memories, remembering, and her face lightening up with a smile was very sweet. Almost as good as the Matt/Molly scene. So many reuniting moments in this episode, yay!

Having no Sylar in this episode made me sad, but it was quickly recovered because it was a truly awesome episode! :D Seriously can't wait for next week.

*sigh* My poor Mohinder....he's always getting himself in these predicaments, isn't he? The poor boy.

Also, I'm friending you back as well! I'm glad that you're enjoying my reviews and theories (as insane as they are). :D I SOO need to order me that too, I mean, I've pretty much read all from the Heroes graphic novel series thus far, but having it physically in my hands is a lot different than reading them online.
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: Shinjiro//AAA//tamakins8604lotuseyes on November 8th, 2007 03:06 pm (UTC)
Last season I was likening Mohinder to Sayid (from Lost) in that they both make unwise decisions and trust unwisely (even if their intentions are for the 'good of the world/team' so to speak). Everytime Mohinder would trust the wrong person (or underestimate them) I'd curse under my breath and tell him that Sayid is not a good role model for how he should behave. I'm guessing he hasn't listened so far since he's now defending the Company (unless he is playing a much deeper game...but I don't know. He managed to trick Sylar of course, but other then that...he doesn't seem deceptive.) I'm sure he misses his huge board of thready goodness at this moment though.

Well its unfortunate but while Heroes obviously works as a drama and fulfills most tennents of a super hero comic, their unsaid love couples rule the show way more then the stated ones. Peter/Claire (my ship of choice) being a vocal part of fandom XD (as is any Petrelli couple set--Nathan/Peter, Mama Petrelli/Nathan...oh hell when Mama Petrelli and Peter were hugging and all part of my flist was looking for the scenes to totally vindicate their belief in Petrellicest). Niki/DL was rather limp (they spent more time apart), Nathan/his wife was a joke, Peter/Simone (oh god no), Issac/Simone (a little better, they are together forever at least), Mohinder/Eden, and of course this season's relationships Peter/Irish EejitCaitlin and Claire/West ::rolls eyes::

I wonder what was going through the writer's heads when they started mapping out West's character arc. I suppose on paper something like 'Claire's boyfriend comes over to make waffles for breakfast' sounds okay, but in actual execution? Ew. Maybe if they had been dating a couple years, her family knew him and they had a serious (trusting) relationship. Not a month and half into a relationship built upon lies, deceit and teenage angst. He had BETTER have evil intentions 'cause otherwise this boy needs to be locked up by the authorities. (moving too fast indeed!)

This episode was much better then previously. It didn't really lull, fulfilled on unanswered questions and had most of the main cast in it at some point. It made me EXCITED to see the rest of the episode instead of 'I should see it so I understand next week' (since this isn't the sort of show you miss one episode or half an episode and can pick it up easily). The reveal at the end I knew about as well, but it was nice for the justification. (It was awesome how he caught the electricity!) And yeah now Kaito's death makes sense (that is why there was a physical person to be seen not just imaginary crap).

I hope they find a cure for Niki. She's still as broken as ever (no matter how well she hid her fears, they too easily overwhelmed her), but she deserves to be able to live with her sonand Nathanin happily ever after. (I wonder how she would have reacted if she found Monica at the Company too? That's DL's niece after all). I want to know more about how they 'cured' her though. Though I have my doubts on that since at the end of season 1 I could have sworn Jessica went away without outside help.

Renée: Mohinder. Hot in Haiti.rogueslayer452 on November 8th, 2007 09:25 pm (UTC)
I've kind of already stated my thoughts about Mohinder's choices concerning being torn in lessons of morality so I won't repeat that here, but I get the feeling that the show is being deceptive about leading us to believe Mohinder has actually turned sides. Knowing him, he does what he thinks is right, despite the bad decisions to getting there. Everything in the Series of Eight has been predicted except the last two paintings: Mohinder shooting the gun and HRG dead. While yes, most of those paintings are the storyboard and they happened in sequence, but it's all very deceptive because not all of Isaac's paintings have been true. So I have faith in Mohinder for doing the right thing in the end. Besides, he's not morally gray and he's certainly not a killer.

They should just stick to the subtexty relationships and let the audience figure those out for themselves. I mean, fandom already has and hell, even the cast knows this and manages to play with it. Romance, definitely not something Heroes should be centered around.

Considering the Heroes timeline is shorter compared to how we see it weekly, it's actually been only a few weeks for the characters. So they're definitely not doing the whole meet-and-greet thing too well, as I always found Claire and West's relationship TOO early to have been developed properly. I mean, she's only just met the guy and suddenly she's smooching on him? That seems very unrealistic and just sloppy. They did want Claire to have a boyfriend but I would've preferred Zach to West because Zach had been her friend, or she'd known him, for a long while and actually was sensible and gave Claire helpful advice. They basically just replaced Zach with West and I didn't like that, at all. It's good that Kring has acknowledged that mistake.

I still think West is evil though. I will NEVER let that go, because it's true. Creepy and evil.

I've really liked this season aside from the "eh" storylines and certain mistakes regarding the pacing/storytelling of some episodes, but I agree. This episode really was fast-paced, exciting and really had MUCH going on that you just couldn't look away. I got so pumped when Matt and facing Maury and especially in the end when it was revealed that Kensei was actually Adam (and yes, it was awesome how he caught the electricity zap!) It does make sense for Kaito's death, and makes me anticipate the meetup between Adam and Hiro. Dude, that's going to be wicked awesome!

I think Jessica and Niki are the same person now. That sometimes Jessica's anger will emerged but Niki will still be there consciously, which is why I think that they cured her from having two separate identities and put them together somehow. But it does make sense that she would be working for the Company; she worked for Linderman last season, didn't she? I do hope there's a cure for her -- and didn't they hire Mohinder in the first place to research and discover an alternative cure other than draining his blood every time? If all they need is samples of Claire's regenetive genes why go through all that trouble, or better yet why not get the same samples from Peter or Adam? This makes me believe they knew all along that Mohinder and HRG were working together, and wanted to manipulate Mohinder's mind into believing they were the good guys, not the other way around so he could get Claire into coming to them.