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03 April 2009 @ 01:58 am
SPN: "The Monster at the End of This Book" Episode Review + Meta  
Supernatural 4.18 "The Monster at the End of This Book"

Sam and Dean get an unexpected shock when they discover their entire lives have been written up into a book series, ironically named "Supernatural"; and have a small underground cult following. The author, real name Chuck, has been having visions and unbeknownst to him, is a prophet of the Lord. These visions are foretellings of what is to come for the Winchesters ever since the beginning of their entire journey, including the outcome of the Apocalypse, which we have no idea what he saw near the end. Though it is clear whatever is going to happen, isn't going to end well. Not at all.

Meanwhile during the episode one of his visions is of Lilith who is to approach Sam Winchester, either to trick him or kill him, or worse. As Dean is desperate to find an alternative way to avoid that encounter at all costs, Sam refuses to back down from confronting her, thinking he has a chance to stop everything once and for all, even though his morals have been compromised as he is still blinded, and he knows it too.

Though started off comical, the episode interweaves the mytharc of the season and the mythology of the whole series and adds new spin on things of what's to come in the future.


The Winchester Gospel: Prophecies Of The Past, Present and What's To Come

The silliness of the entire first half of the episode aside, even the whole concept of the book series and the fan community following which parallels fandom, I do like the fact that they added the perimeter of having prophets into the show and that not all prophets are monks or extremely religious folks that know of their callings. Chuck was a normal guy who had been chosen to be part of God's plan, whether he liked it or not, and like normal people sometimes getting visions that seem like dreams often gets mixed with what could it all mean? So instead of going "hey this could mean something on a metaphysical level" he had the notion of "hey this could be a great book series!" and placed his productivity in that way.

Also yes, a nice way to make a shoutout to fandom which btw, if anyone doesn't see that as pure hilarity they are missing out on the joke. Anyway....

What's interesting is how immensely detailed the books are and how they've become known as the "Winchester Gospel" which is known by Heaven. It makes me wonder whether angels get future passes to knowing of what's to come on certain levels, because obviously they either cannot percieve the outcome of certain things but know of what holds the future for others, in this case how those book series becomes of vital importance one day because it tells the tales of the Winchester legacy. Going back to the start of the series we tend to have thought that the boys were just regular 'ole hunters who had been thrown into that lifestyle from a devastating travesty, though it seems that their entire life has been orchestrated from the very beginning. Fate and destiny, as it were. God's plan perhaps, and everything surrounding them now is also part of it as well? Their conflictions, their encounters with both angels and demons, the angels themselves coming across testaments of faith; I am a firm believer that in such a mythological kind of show there would be something like this happening, orchestrating it all.

Also notice how Castiel said that you couldn't undo what has been written, and demonstrated as Dean tries again and again to avoid whatever Chuck had written from his visions always tends to happen one way or another. It's definitely Fate.


Castiel and Dean: Slippery Slope of Disobedience by Trusting Bonds

What is a review/meta from me without some Castiel discussion of love, eh? From the wonderful Castiel-centric episode that was 4.16 "On The Head of a Pin", even with a few scenes in here they presented a lot more of his character and what he's going through and his growing relationship with Dean and how that affects him. There are those little moments that are so subtle and yet you notice them because Misha Collins is just that brilliant with how he's approaching the character. In addition of what we learned from 4.16, this episode brought more even in those little scenes of him.

One of the scenes that really added progress to both their characters was their interaction outside the motel, and in that one scene alone there was so much going on. First we have Dean praying, probably for the first time, asking for help, by which Castiel answered his calling telling him it was a good sign of faith. We know the fact that Dean hadn't believed or had much faith from before, but over the course he's been gradually getting there, and now we have his plea of desperation. Secondly in the midst of that desperation is Castiel being torn between accepting Dean's offer for help and refusing it because of his dedication to Heaven. If it were any other time from before Castiel would've stated straightforward he could not and find another alternative, but because Castiel has become personally attached to Dean and wants to help him, he is conflicted on what to do. Disobey and risk getting killed by the archangels, or stand back and watch Dean fade away from his trust, from their gradually building wall of trust.

I really love this development for both of them. I love how utterly broken and lost they seem to be and they need each other.

That's what I find interesting of their growing relationship. Castiel needs Dean just as much as Dean needs Castiel. I've predicted this, because they are both undergoing severe self-discoveries and understanding their place in everything that's happening. Castiel saved Dean, and I believe that somewhere down the line Dean will need to save Castiel, just as it has probably been foreshadowed in these recent episodes. They'll need each other in the coming days ahead, especially since Castiel is slowing spinning downward from his heavenly orders.

The idea that Castiel would fall because and for Dean is entirely poetic and, for the lack of a better term, romantic. It would be the ultimate sacrifice which would truly make him part of the Winchester legacy. Though I don't think it'll be quite that simple, and in fact if he's going to be sticking around as a regular for next season I would much rather him becoming a rebel!angel than a fallen one, even though I think punishments like falling depend on ranking and the offenses given against the angelical orders. I do like him questioning and second guessing things because it adds more complexity to his character, even though angels themselves are complex (and dangerous) beings altogether, seeing an angel who is still an angel expressing emotions and feelings is definitely something to explore. But unlike others, he still holds strong faith in God and his mission, he just questions the orders coming from Heaven and what it all means to everything (hell, I think he may even question his superiors, and that can also be very dangerous and treading on a thin line).

This episode presented Castiel in a slightly different light than before. Already we knew he was questioning and starting to feel, but in this episode we actually see expressions appearing on his face. Nothing too extreme but just enough that it means him becoming humanized by his experiences on Earth and being around Dean is finally settling into his personality. Honestly, the way he kind of is sly and smug and contorts his face like he's making a joke, wrinkling his nose and widening his eyes expressively to empathize his meaning on something....it all speaks of humanity.

I am very enthusiastic about the Dean/Castiel interactions and growing bond between them. My shipper heart aside, they both seem to be utterly alone. From 4.16 Castiel losing Uriel was a parallel of Dean slowly losing his own brother, and they'll need that reassurance of one another for what lies ahead. And judging from the ending of this episode, it doesn't look like it'll end in gumdrops and rainbows.


Sam Winchester, the Demon-Blood Power Addict

Most will know I am perhaps not pleased with Sam and his attitude lately this season, however the great thing about this episode is that they actually address this issue head-on. I liked that they had Sam confront Chuck about how much he knew, which is everything (because he's a prophet, duh). But surprisingly, here's Sam's moment of confession.

He feels stronger by drinking the demon blood, he feels invincible; he wants to take care of his big brother like he'd done for him since they were kids. Understandable. Sam and Dean are brothers, they would do anything for each other, and it's nice to hear him say that. But he's addicted, he can't control those urges, that feeling he gets when using his abilities and moreover drinking that demon blood which, even though he doesn't like to, says he needs to because it might help in the Apocalypse. I see where he's going with his explanation, but there are flaws in his logic.

He says that Dean isn't the same after returning back from Hell. Well, neither is he either. Neither of them are the same, they are both going through their own personal shit and quite frankly, I side more with Dean than with Sam at this moment because his rationalizing is only for his benefit even if he says he's doing it for Dean's behalf. If he were he wouldn't be lying directly to Dean's face about what he's doing, has been doing and continues to do. He wouldn't continue to deny that it was the siren's spell that made him say those things about Dean being weak, about him being the stronger more efficient hunter. Seeing Sam and Dean in the car in the end, Dean didn't look particularly happy with Sam after he talked about Lilith. In fact we all know that Dean, despite being angry about the lying, is scared shitless of his brother and how far along he's gotten. They are both on separate pages and they need to start straightening up before things get out of hand. Or rather, let that final straw drop so they can go their separate directions and then come back later, stronger than before.

Sam wants to help his brother out, but he's going about it the wrong way. He's losing track of things, getting blinded by his need for revenge on Lilith, that he's not seeing straight anymore. He's losing his morality ground and needs to have a reality check before he spins out of control and yes, I do believe he'll go darkside. Perhaps not consciously since he's already dancing dangerously on that edge, but he'll not be the same Sam anymore.

Brother versus brother. Biblical stuff, and what I am anticpiating to happen between them.


Memorable Moments of the Episode:

++ OBVIOUS FANSERVICE IS OBVIOUS. The "SUPERNATURAL" book coverart looking like some fanartist took the concept of some cheesy romance covers and made them into the supernatural hunter version of Fabio. Roleplaying! Fansites! Fanatics! Mentionings of fandom without really saying it but the content that resides in fandom like Dean!girls and Sam!girls, fanfiction and SLASH BB, SLASH BEING MENTIONED IS LOLARIOUS. AS WERE SAM AND DEAN'S EXPRESSIONS, LOL.

++ Also the book titles being the episode titles from the show? I lol'd at that. Oh Kripke, you amuse me so frakking much.

++ "Full frontal" being used by Dean? And Sam's expression to that? MOAR LOLING LIKE WHOA.

++ THAT FANGIRL PUBLISHER = GAIUS BALTAR'S LOVECULT MEMBER. MIGRATING X-OVER FANDOMS IS MAKING ME ALL TINGLING INSIDE. I HAVE A FEELING SHE WOULD CREATE HER OWN LOVE HAREM FOR SAM AND DEAN, IF THERE WASN'T ONE ALREADY.

++ Just the boy's expressions throughout the first half of the episode, trying to figure out what the frak is going on and how they entered bizarro-land. lol.

++ THE LAUNDROMAT SCENE = LOVE

++ CASTIEL!!! ♥ ♥ ♥ Truly anything with Castiel is bound to be worthwhile, and honestly this episode never faltered in delivering just that. Castiel kinda fanboying (fanangeling? idek) Chuck, the Prophet of the Lord, and flipping through one of the "SUPERNATURAL" books like it was his own personal Bible or something, so engrossed in it even though he's read his "works" before (Heaven has libraries of prophecies, lol)? And him being all deadpan throughout it all? Misha Collins is just so much love, alright? So much love. ♥

++ "THE WINCHESTER GOSPEL" WILL NEVER NOT BE FUNNY, MKAY? Of course there could've been other names, like The Winchester Chronicles, or the Book of the Winchester Prophecies.

++ "I am not...kidding you." CASTIEL DOESN'T JOKE PPL. HE SPEAKS TRUFAX.

++ However, "You should have seen Luke" in reference to Chuck's strange behavior is made of absolute WIN! LOL CAS MADE A JOKE AND I LOL'D AND IT IS ALL SHINY AND AWESOME. :DDDD

++ Dean/Castiel interactions = love and win and awesome. I just love everything about them, how they interaction and their verbal and even nonverbal exchanges. They can have an entire meaningful conversation with just their eyes without saying a frakking word, amirite y'all? Also, how expressive were they in this ep? The emotions were so high, more on Dean's part but Castiel is getting there. Just look at his eyes, dammit. His eyes, they emote! Emoting from Castiel makes me into a wibbly puddle of goo. DAMN YOU MISHA! JUST MY GOD, THAT WHOLE BIT OF HIM RELUCTANTLY REFUSING AND THEN DEAN GOING ALL "SCREW YOU" AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS RUINS CASTIEL SO MUCH BECAUSE HE WANTS TO HELP AND - GAH! LOVELOVELOVE.

++ BSG PARALLEL: DEAN PRAYING FOR HELP THEN CASTIEL COMING TO HIS AID WAS LIKE GAIUS PRAYING FOR HELP AND FORGIVENESS AND THEN HEAD!SIX APPEARING TO HIM ANSWERING HIS PRAYER IN "SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION". OMG SQUEE! :DDDDDD

++ Also, how much do I love that last bit with Castiel being all sneaky and smug about telling Dean what to do without truly telling him directly -- all in the eyes ppls! Hee! Clever sneaky Cas is clever and sneaky.

++ Chuck was kinda hilarious. But that hilarity died down in the end for most of the eppy, and I felt sorry for him. He didn't ask for this power or to be a prophet, and now he'll have to deal with knowing that his dreams and writings are of real events happening. Gods.

++ Zachariah! Damn he's one badass motherfucker. I still miss Uriel because he was one funny sarcastic sonofabitch and a badass motherfucker, but Zachariah is all business. Dangerous business at that. Him appearing to Chuck and then saying that killing himself wouldn't help because he, or rather the angels, would just bring him back. Damn. They are hardcore these angels -- and I LOVE IT. But to make it clear that these angels are all strictly business, and I'm sure this is definitely going to be repeated in the remaining eps this season and perhaps next season.

++ INTRODUCTIONS TO ARCHANGELS! YESYESYES! ABOUT TIME! (though this means that Uriel wasn't of the archangel ranking as it appears, oh well)

++ Ah, Lilith. She's scared shitless, as she should be because angels? Not to be triffled with. But still. I wonder what she seems to terrifed about other than lack of self-perservation if something is pre-written in her destiny or whatever.

++ WHAT THE FRAKKING HELL DID CHUCK SEE FOR THE FUTURE AND WHY IS ZACHARIAH SO INTERESTED ABOUT IT?! OMGS WE NEEDS TO KNOW!!!!!


Overall: I felt this was a nice tie-in with the sporaticness of the stand-alones and mytharc-centric episodes, intertwining both into one episode where we can have some hilarity along with what is happening in the mythology of this season and even the series. Also nice to have a laugh and then have it get squashed with some of the emotional points, particularly between the brothers and Dean and Castiel. So much angst happening all around those three that it makes everything go 'round. And it's nice to see things progress with the Lilith storyline, I was wondering when we'd see her again. And making note that Castiel appearing in a semi-cracky episode, even having some crack-filled lines himself, is made of WINWINWIN! \o/ Looking forward for more Castiel the rest of the season, for sure. Also the Dean and Sam relationship distancing as Dean and Castiel's grow closer and closer.


This is what happens when an episode does something to me, and dammit I needs to rewatch certain scenes again. Whether I missed something or I want to squee, doesn't matter. Crackaliciousness is the best, totes.
 
 
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Polo Molo: {spn} AAAAAAH!!slartibartfast on April 3rd, 2009 02:15 pm (UTC)
Castiel was fantastic in this episode. I loved that sneaky scene. I literally threw up my arms in glee. It was awesome. He's so wonderful!

I wonder what she seems to terrifed about other than lack of self-perservation if something is pre-written in her destiny or whatever.

Personally I've started thinking she's not the one anywhere near in charge and whoever's above her has neglected to tell her that killing her is the final seal. And now she's found out. I guess we'll see soon enough...
Renée: Castiel. Teh hawt angel.rogueslayer452 on April 3rd, 2009 06:37 pm (UTC)
He truly is amazing. I was like OMG WHUT IS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE, CAS? He makes little jokes and then being all coy? LOVES IT! :D

It makes me wonder who is above her in the demon ranking, if that's the case. Because all we've known was of Lilith and Alastair at this point, so who could be outranking her or trying to go towards the throne? Hmmm.
wickedvirtue on April 3rd, 2009 02:39 pm (UTC)
Massive, epic DITTO.

The only thing I have to add --and I'm starting to doubt if I actually saw it, since no one else mentioned it-- was that when Dean was confronting Sam about what he was doing, Sam looked panicked for a second. Sam needed to know how much Dean knew about what he was doing, but gets let off the hook when Dean says that he knows that Sam's powering up, but he and Cas just don't know *how* yet. That right there felt like Dean referring to him and Castiel as a unit against Sam; them two in it together, trying to figure out how Sam is achieving what he shouldn't be able to, that way they can stop him together. Dean is already with Castiel (and by extension Heaven) and he just can't admit it to himself yet. The same way he showed he liked and possibly accepted Castiel (calling him Cas when confronting Sam back at the beginning of the season) before he could admit it to himself.

DOOD, this show...
Renée: Castiel. Jesus loves you.rogueslayer452 on April 3rd, 2009 06:47 pm (UTC)
The only thing I have to add --and I'm starting to doubt if I actually saw it, since no one else mentioned it-- was that when Dean was confronting Sam about what he was doing, Sam looked panicked for a second.

You weren't the only one that saw that, bb. He definitely looked scared that Dean knew what he'd been up to as soon as he said "I know everything", but it was only for killing Alastair and not the demon-blood drinking. Which, could you imagine his reaction knowing about that? He was pissed enough in the beginning of "Metamorphosis" about him even using his powers, if he ever found out, not from Sam mind you, that his brother's been drinking demon blood to juice himself up? That's going to be tragically angsty, like whoa.

That right there felt like Dean referring to him and Castiel as a unit against Sam; them two in it together, trying to figure out how Sam is achieving what he shouldn't be able to, that way they can stop him together.

Dude, yes! I mean yes it's about the Winchesters and the brothers working together blah blah blah but, at the rate this is going, it is inevitable to pin them against each other in such a sense. Dean certainly does reference himself and Castiel as a one unit (hai make me squee moar why don'tcha) and once he accepts his role in this bigger plan, he'll understand that either Sam learns to control himself and stop going down that particular path or Heaven just might have to intervene.

And judging from the ending of this episode, whatever's going to go down involving the boys ain't gonna be pretty.

THIS SHOW IS JUST, GAH! Providing the fanservice, the Dean/Castiel love and meta. :DD
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on April 3rd, 2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
I totally forgot about the cheesy book covers lol.

I like Zachariah, he's like scary and cool at the same time if that makes any sense lol.
Renée: Castiel. Halo.rogueslayer452 on April 3rd, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
I laughed out loud seeing the fanart for the bookcovers. Like, wtfrak is that? Cheese upon cheese, though I loved it when Castiel picked up one of the books and it was of "Scarecrow", actually having the scarecrow art on the cover. Nice.

Me too, though there's definitely something behind his entire demeanor that says something else. I do miss Uriel though, because I liked him and thought he was a nice counterpart for Castiel. Wished they'd just banished him elsewhere so he could come back instead of killing him off. But oh well. Zachariah is another nice intro to an angel -- and now we have archangels, that we'll see soon probably? Maybe? Perhaps?
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on April 3rd, 2009 09:03 pm (UTC)
I laughed so many times during this episode, sometimes I was laughing so hard I couldn't hear the TV lol. But yeah, they were such cheesy romance novel covers. It reminded me of the romance novel display at barnes where it's all these super cheesy covers with like Fabio type guys with their shirts unbuttoned and their hair blowing in the wind lol.

I'm half expecting Zachariah to do something unexpected and slap someone out of lala land at the same time lol. I think he was well casted to.

I don't miss Uriel, I think his time on the show was well spent. How things turned out for him wasn't really that shocking. I mean yeah, it was kind of shocking that he was turning angels and killing them if they didn't go along, but if you think about it, it actually really wasn't.

I was kind of hoping to actually see Chuck's archangel, but maybe they're not meant to be seen yet.
Renée: Six. Angel of God.rogueslayer452 on April 3rd, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
As soon as they were mentioning the Dean!girls and Sam!girls and slash I lost it. I was loling so hard because, holy shit, they mentioned it in the show itself. So that means fandom is part of canon now? omgslol.

I wouldn't put it past Zachariah to do something like that. I agree, he was cast well. Let's hope there's a scene with him and Castiel, I want to see how Castiel reacts to him and such.

Oh, I was actually very pleased with how the turn of events happened with Uriel turning against Heaven everything. Wanting to unleash Lucifer and his distaste for humanity was very much what I suspected early on, and was very excited to see, I just thought he was a nice addition and I thought he was excellently cast as well, and it would've nice for him to stick around a bit more since I found his side of things very interesting. But oh well.

I do hope so at some point. *crosses fingers* I love how Castiel mentioned the archangels were the weapons of Heaven, basically saying how terrifyingly fierce they were. Which is true.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on April 4th, 2009 03:08 am (UTC)
I know right? They're response was hysterical though. And Dean was sitting there reading the books lol.

Same here, I'm sure they'll be together in a future episode though. They both bring something completely different to the show, so it would be interesting to see them together. It's a good thing he was casted well, if he wasn't his character would have come across very different.

Who knows, maybe he'll turn up in a flashback. There's probably a little more to his side of the story, and he had to have known that Castiel wouldn't join him.

Yep, maybe we'll see them if the apocalypse gets close(since I'm taking it that Chuck saw the apocalypse, or something close to it).
jello: halojelost on April 3rd, 2009 11:50 pm (UTC)
Have I told you how much I adore your reviews?♥

This was a wonderful, wonderful episode, in so many ways!

OMG I knew I'd seen that fangirl publisher before somewhere! Holyshit the BSG crossovers and parallels! XD So much win.

Also, Dean is to Castiel as Gaius is to Head!Six. So true.
Renée: Six/Gaius. Passion.rogueslayer452 on April 4th, 2009 12:08 am (UTC)
Awww, you're such a doll bb. ♥ Yeah, this episode was such a lovely treat, giving us the lulz and the epicness all rolled into one. So awesome.

IKR? Also the actress that plays her also appeared in SPN in the previous seasons. So, recycling actors ftw! Praying that next they'll bring back Tricia because that would be awesome like whoa.

Also, Dean is to Castiel as Gaius is to Head!Six. So true.

YES! TOTES TRUFAX F'SURE! :DDDD
Beth, just Beth: spn// castiel | fire and brimstone babysecondstar on April 4th, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
i fucking love your post. SERIOUSLY.
you are so eloquent about it all where as I am like OIGDNLAHFLIADKDMAFAK SPN :D
lmfaooo.
Renée: Castiel. Halo.rogueslayer452 on April 4th, 2009 01:49 am (UTC)
Hee! :D

Believe me, I was just as incoherent as you are last night and kinda still am right now because, um, crackiness and Castiel are ftw bb! XD But sometimes my meta!brain starts functioning even before the squee dies down. It's just how I roll, yo.
The Large Purple Weed: Sammytracy on April 4th, 2009 10:38 pm (UTC)
Disobey and risk getting killed by the archangels

You know, I don't completely understand this whole "the archangels are why I can't help" thing. Even if Castiel were to do what Dean asked, i.e. drag Sam away from the hotel, he wouldn't be putting Chuck in any danger in the process and thus wouldn't be in danger from the archangels himself. Not for that, anyway, though they may decide he needs some smiting because he tried to interfere with fate..

Castiel saved Dean, and I believe that somewhere down the line Dean will need to save Castiel

Omg yes, I've been wanting this since even before H&H, and then Dean DID sort of save him there, but I definitely think it will happen again, in an even bigger way. Omgthisship. ♥!

I am very enthusiastic about the Dean/Castiel interactions and growing bond between them.

Hahahha, this just sort of made me laugh. Understatement of the year, much? XD <333333333333333333333333333333

Castiel losing Uriel was a parallel of Dean slowly losing his own brother

Aww, I hadn't thought of it like this, though now it seems very obvious. I hope they address that, actually, I'd like to see what effect Uriel's betrayal is having on Cas.

He says that Dean isn't the same after returning back from Hell. Well, neither is he either. Neither of them are the same

You know, actually, I don't think Dean has changed. I mean, sure, he's traumatized by his experiences in Hell and spends time angsting about that, but fundamentally? Would he do anything now that he wouldn't do in earlier seasons? He's got all the same views and values as before, as far as I can see, apart from starting to have a little faith (♥!), but that's only because he's seen angels, it's not blind faith. So I think really the only one who's changed is Sam, and he only thinks Dean's different and has gotten weaker because he himself has gotten stronger.

I ♥ all your memorable moments, bb, SO HAPPY. \o/\o/\o/
Renée: Castiel. Halo.rogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2009 12:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, I generally think he fears about what might happen to him if they ever found out he interferred with Divine Prophecy like that. Just seeing that entire scene with him trying to convince Dean that he can't proves how much he wants to, but is torn between those two sides of disobeying or risking to lose Dean's trust. I mean surely he wouldn't get smited right away, but messing around with something that great he doesn't want to attempt to do even though he believes that helping Dean is the right thing. OH CAS YOU AND YOUR CONFLICTED SELF, ILU SO MUCH.

Omg yes, I've been wanting this since even before H&H, and then Dean DID sort of save him there, but I definitely think it will happen again, in an even bigger way. Omgthisship. ♥!

ITA BB! Obviously, being to one to save Dean from Hell and then repeatedly returning to Dean's side time and again, Dean will definitely have to do something to match that up. And I can't wait for that moment to happen. Scared for Castiel of course, but anticipating it.

Hahahha, this just sort of made me laugh. Understatement of the year, much? XD <333333333333333333333333333333

HAHA IDEK BUT YES IT IS! XDDD

Aww, I hadn't thought of it like this, though now it seems very obvious. I hope they address that, actually, I'd like to see what effect Uriel's betrayal is having on Cas.

I'm betting it has affected him greatly, because even he said that he and Uriel had been friends or at least comrades for perhaps longer than we would think. They were brothers and even though they were completely opposite they still fought together in the continuing wars over the thousands and thousands of years, very much like Sam and Dean. And now we're seeing that Castiel hadn't really known Uriel at all, much like how the Winchesters are at this point. The gradual changes, and I'm sure Castiel knew of Uriel's distaste of humanity as Dean knows of Sam experimenting with his powers, but never truly knowing those intentions until it's too late.

I definitely see this parallel as vital for both Dean and Castiel, and it makes them even more connected now more than ever. I do wish they would at least have some kind of conversation, whether Dean brings it up or Castiel. Doesn't matter. It has to be discussed because Sam isn't gone, he can still be saved, but he's treading dangerously close of being gone from Dean completely.

COULD THEY HAVE ANY MORE PARALLELS OF GETTING DEAN AND CASTIEL ON THE SAME PAGE OF THINGS AND CONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER?! SRSLY. I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH.

So I think really the only one who's changed is Sam, and he only thinks Dean's different and has gotten weaker because he himself has gotten stronger.

You've got a good point there. That adds more perspective towards Sam's attitude, which I've been displeased with for some time now, that it makes me want to have a Sam kind of episode where we see things from his POV for a change. Y'know? I am loving everything involving Dean and the angels and the whole mytharc tied to them, but to see where Sam is coming from rather than being the outsider looking in would be kinda sweet, because right now he is looking rather unsympathetic with the way he rationalizes his actions.

I do still think that they've subtly changed over the years, though. Comparing how they were from the beginning of the series to now and what they've experienced, it would be impossible for them to not have a different kind of perspective. But in this case, Sam is the most changed one, as stated, since the beginning. You definitely got it right about him thinking he's more efficient in the job than Dean because he's more powerful. He's becoming reckless, which is so unlike the old!Sammy. It'll be interesting when it comes to the brother versus brother showdown. Which will happen. Hopefully.

THINKY META IS THINKY LIKE WHOA. I LOVE HOW THIS SHOW DOES THIS ME AND, UM, YEAH. ♥ ALSO - CASTIEL BB!
The Large Purple Weedtracy on April 5th, 2009 12:26 am (UTC)
You're right, I just got confused because of the way he explained it, like Chuck being protected by an archangel was the direct reason he couldn't intercede.

Scared for Castiel of course, but anticipating it.

ME TOO. Although I'm pretty excited to see more of whumpy!Cas, hehee. And for once, for the love of God, I'd like to see Castiel actually beat somebody in a fight, jeez. :P

I do wish they would at least have some kind of conversation, whether Dean brings it up or Castiel.

THIS. THIS. THEY MUST TALK ABOUT IT, if only so Dean can better understand and appreciate just how similar he and Cas are, and just how much Cas gets him. Especially since, as you say, Sam doesn't really get him anymore.

I, too, would love to have an episode from Sam's POV. :( We kind of saw some of that when he was telling Dean about how he spent his four months, but he's changed even more since then. I want to know how the blood drinking started! That's too big of a thing for them to NOT show us, though, so I guess I'm not too worried.

It'll be interesting when it comes to the brother versus brother showdown. Which will happen. Hopefully.

Hahahha sorry if you hate spoilers, but at this point I'm sure you already assume, so it wouldn't be much of a spoiler anyway -- it's basically been confirmed that it WILL happen. And actually -- this is purely speculation -- I think Dean will have an advantage because Sam? Completely underestimates him. Unless he stops doing that after this ep because Dean saved his ass, he's not gonna be prepared for Dean.

IN CONCLUSION: CASTIEL!
Renée: Castiel. Nngh.rogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
ME TOO. Although I'm pretty excited to see more of whumpy!Cas, hehee. And for once, for the love of God, I'd like to see Castiel actually beat somebody in a fight, jeez. :P

Hee, I know right? I would love Castiel to win a fight against someone for once. No more, how Misha placed it, pussy!Castiel omg okay that sounded so wrong but you know what I mean! Even though whump!Castiel is adorable, I admit. ;) I do think that perhaps that Castiel has won fights in the past, but because of him slowly becoming humanized by his attachment to Dean, he's losing some sense of his angelical powers which is making him slightly weaker than normal? Perhaps? IDK, it's a theory I've been having, that the price of an angel to feel without falling is to have weakened powers of sorts. IDK. I'm just theorizing here and it probably doesn't make sense so, moviing on!

THIS. THIS. THEY MUST TALK ABOUT IT, if only so Dean can better understand and appreciate just how similar he and Cas are, and just how much Cas gets him. Especially since, as you say, Sam doesn't really get him anymore.

OH TOTES BB. Because they are similar, uncannily similar in their situations and how they're feeling at this very moment in the series. I'm sure that even if we don't get a long-heavy monologue of something they should at least have something to acknowledge this. Srsly.

Hee, don't worry. I'm not one for the major spoilers, but that's something I can handle no problem. In fact, I've kind of knew they would get there eventually even before the season premiered or something since I do recall either Jared or Jensen or Kripke mentioning there will be a conflict between the boys. I've always naturally assumed it was going to be bigger than their regular passive aggressive arguments and just brotherly fighting and tension. That it would create such a huge rift between them that there is no possible way to bounce back from it that easily. And from that confirmed tidbit, plus with what's been happening between Sam and Dean lately, I am SO FRAKKING EXCITED AND CAN'T WAIT!!! :DDDD

CASTIEL IS LOVE BB, SO MUCH LOVE I CANNOT TAKE HOW ADORABLE HE IS! ESPECIALLY WITH DEAN. OTP FOR LIFE, AMIRITE?! ♥