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11 May 2009 @ 09:06 pm
I want my own dream, so bad I wanna scream!  
++ Fandom, sometimes makes me incredibly happy to be a part of, but sometimes it makes me headdesk and stare with disbelief at some of the things I see/read/witness. Particularly the SPN fen, which I know is like shooting fish in a barrel, but still. Most recently there are fans that make the most ridiculous arguments or accusations, and this time it's about Castiel and his actions and behaviors in the most recent episodes which, you'd have to be blind to not understand where he's coming from and what is required of him as a warrior and soldier of God and Heaven. If the handful of you folks in fandom cannot understand this incredibly blatant fact and the reasonings behind it, well, that ain't my problem.

Moreover are the arguments regarding the religious aspect of the show. Okay, I know that sometimes religion can be a touchy topic of discussion for some, however it's not like the show has shoved religion down our throats. Not at all, it's merely taking certain aspects of religion and adding it into the mythos of the entire series overall, which has been present the whole time but its primary focus has been this season.

Also yes, I wholeheartedly believe that some of the angels want the Apocalypse to happen and for Lucifer to rise, it's even been stated within the show by Uriel himself, and that everything's been set up for the inevitable War in Heaven once again; the splitting factors with the good angels versus the turned angels. Heaven has been corrupted, we know this, so making accusations towards a beloved character or even saying that it's outside the scope of possibilities that this would ever happen makes me incredibly agitated. I mean seriously folks, do I need to whack y'all over the head with Book of Revelation or Paradise Lost? Or perhaps Dogma or Good Omens? And yes, for the record, I am loving what this season has been centered around and the direction they are going in with the Winchesters and the Apocalypse. It's probably the best season arc throughout the entire series, imo.

That came out longer than I had anticipated, but I just had to get that off my chest. I like having lengthy meta-discussions, but it's difficult when sometimes people are being stubborn and trying to make you understand their point. I had an issue with this previously with someone before, it doesn't end pretty.

++ This makes me sad, and possibly a bit outraged. How is it possible that when the episodes for Dollhouse get bigger and awesomer and more epic, the ratings continue to dwindle and drop? Now I do understand the demographic about the highly anticipated new Star Trek film being released Friday, as Wolverine was the previous week, but nevertheless is makes little sense. Part of me wants to blame FOX for still keeping in Fridays, but another part blames the fans that stopped watched only a few episodes in just because it "wasn't what they expected." Screw you all.

++ Um, some positive things? I'm officially done with my schooling, in negotiations towards continuing my education, graduation ceremony about a month or so away, and as of today I have started my externship. Moving forward in life, it's a wonderful thing. More on those later in a detailed post, of course. ♥ Also yes, my subject title is of the HSM3 song...I can't help myself, Zac Efron singing that song plus that solo dance he does is epic shit. Shut up, it's so addictive and I like it okay?
Current Mood: apatheticapathetic
Current Music: Zac Efron - Scream (HSM3)
The Large Purple Weed: Castiel - warrior angeltracy on May 12th, 2009 05:33 am (UTC)
sometimes it makes me headdesk and stare with disbelief at some of the things I see/read/witness

I always feel like I've got my head buried in the sand when I see things like this on my flist, but I'm glad for it, I've got enough shit to worry about in my life without having to waste time getting pissed off at idiots. *flop* Er, I'm glad the rest of you are out there telling them off and defending our favorite angel, though. :)) ♥

Yay for being done with school and moving on in life! Exciting stuff. *_*
Renée: Castiel. Conflicted.rogueslayer452 on May 12th, 2009 05:47 am (UTC)
Hee, I try bb, I try. I mean I know not everyone is going to love him as much as we do which is blasphemy! but to not understand what is as plain as day I just, yeah. I need to voice my stance on that at least. But even then sometimes I feel like arguing with those people aren't worth my time. If they cannot see what is right in front of them or, rather what they have to see from an outside perspective and not take things at face value, that's their issue, not mine.

And I'll be the one dancing the "I told ya so" dance later on, guaranteed. ;)

OMG I KNOW! *__* I feel like I just started my program, and now I'm done getting bombarded with all this stuff. Time flies by quickly!

Edited at 2009-05-12 05:48 am (UTC)
evilrobyn: pic#88204017moonofwinds on May 12th, 2009 05:57 am (UTC)
I agree with you 100%. Castiel is an angel. We can't judge him like we do humans, and apparently, people do not know enough about angel lore in this fandom. In any case I am glad to see someone else getting irritated because it is only making me want to write an evil fic where we can see the consequences of Castiel not following orders.
tkf2009tkf2009 on May 12th, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
Um, if I say something along the lines of teh Castiel is teh evil, I cans have fic?

*is hopeful*

Edited at 2009-05-12 06:34 am (UTC)
evilrobyn: pic#88170083moonofwinds on May 12th, 2009 07:33 am (UTC)
Sigh. I was already hugely tempted. It'd be a bit shot. But...

Umm... Feck... There is a plot bunny knocking on my door. I'll see what I can make of it.
Renée: Castiel. Halo.rogueslayer452 on May 12th, 2009 07:02 am (UTC)
Precisely. The fact that some people aren't grasping that concept, or even doing their research or accepting the fact that the show does take certain religious lore and tweaking it to fit into the mythos of the show itself, astounds me. People need to realize that angels aren't human, and even if some of the things they do aren't morally right by our standards they follow a different structure than we do; they see the bigger picture of everything and Supernatural is exploring deeper into the morality of an angel who is conflicted between his orders and his newfound emotions towards humanity and the overall plan.

Castiel is following orders, he's a warrior and soldier of this holy war and his personal conflictions and attachment to humanity is seen as impairing his judgment by Heaven and his superiors. We will see him struggle with this more, which I like seeing this aspect of his character and I love how they're giving him this kind of development. It's a shame some people aren't seeing it as such, but oh well. It's their loss anyhow.
yeah, i live on the hellmouth.vichan on May 12th, 2009 01:23 pm (UTC)
...but another part blames the fans that stopped watched only a few episodes in...

You can blame me, because I went in not expecting anything (I stayed away from spoilers) and gave up after seven episodes. I felt absolutely no rapport, no connection with any of the characters, and I got bored. When I found myself spacing out while watching an episode, I knew I was done.

On the other hand, you CAN blame that - the reason I gave up - on Fox. Yes, they gave the show a crappy night, but WAY more importantly, they stuck their noses in creatively. They apparently forced Whedon to make the first five episodes stand-alone so they would draw in new viewers. That wound up being the fault that killed the show, honestly. Since I didn't feel much for the characters, there wasn't even a strong underlying plot set-up to draw me in. :/

I may someday go back and check out the rest of the episodes... I just don't know when. :(

I hope Whedon's learned his lesson by now, after Firefly and now Dollhouse. No more Fox!
Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on May 12th, 2009 05:55 pm (UTC)
I know some people would not be connecting with the show, it might not be their cuppa tea and that's perfectly fine. I'm not going to force anyone to watch something they are not interested in. That's not fair. However, this is mainly towards the people that stopped after like episode three or four because they didn't understand it or thought it was too "philosophical" (which wtf?) or started comparing that it wasn't as epic as BtVS/Angel/Firefly. The frak people? Srsly.

I definitely agree about the FOX issue though. I was slightly optimistic because Joss appeared optimistic, the same with Eliza, but once we knew it would be teamed up with TSCC on Friday nights -- I kinda knew both shows were either going to die there or barely make it out alive. FOX doesn't have great marketing strategies when it comes to shows like Dollhouse, it did great with TSCC but I think that was marginally due to the WGA strike and it was the only new thing on television at that time. And with Dollhouse, the promotions for the show made it seem like it was advertising sex which isn't what the show was about -- it was nearly like they were deliberately trying to draw viewers into the show with the "hey, nekkid!Eliza being saucy, wanna watch?"

Which ironically, is kinda what Joss's message regarding that kind of exploitation within the show. Heh.

I hope Whedon's learned his lesson by now, after Firefly and now Dollhouse. No more Fox!

Despite the fact that it was FOX that approached Eliza for a concept for a new show, Eliza went to Joss and he hopped onboard with her ideas. So in a way, if it hadn't been for FOX we wouldn't have even gotten any Dollhouse at all (and that's how tricksy they are, they greenlight shows that no other network would've taken but then cancel them before their time, which sucks out loud majorly). My thing is if there's hope, perhaps another network can pick it up.

Edited at 2009-05-12 05:56 pm (UTC)
The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: animated Deansabaceanbabe on May 12th, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad I don't hang out much in actual SPN fandom. I'm loving this season and can't wait for next. Sure, TPTB have taken some liberties with religion (and by "religion," I don't just mean Christianity), but it's all got its own internal logic and they're remaining true to that and telling an awesome story in the Winchester Gospel (that'll never get old).
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 12th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
I try not to get involved with fandom that much, but sometimes my morbid curiosity takes over and I venture out to see what people are saying and....yeah, it's not exactly the bestest thing. I prefer to stay in my little happy fandom bubble.

The direction they've taken this season is pretty damn epic as far as I'm concerned, and while I know that some people either are deep within their own religion or aren't religious at all, they have to understand that they're taking pieces of certain religious aspects and molding it to fit into the mythos of the show. And I love it.
amanda: [dollhouse] cowboy victormorbidmuse on May 12th, 2009 02:44 pm (UTC)
I still haven't seen the two newest Dollhouse episodes yet (end of classes and finals are a seriously busy time) but I'm still disappointed to see that I'm not the only one who is having trouble keeping up with the show on TV. I love Dollhouse. I'm going to be so upset if something happens to this show because of low numbers. :(

YAY for being done with school! That is awesome. Good luck with everything as you prepare for your wonderful future. :D
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 12th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could judge a show by its fanbase and its quality and not just by the numbers it recieves? Unrealistic but it would be nice especially for the underdogs of television, like Joss Whedon shows on FOX. :/ I know that Joss and Eliza are staying positive and I applaud them for that, keeps me slightly more optimistic too, but with FOX you never know.

They should at least change timeslots -- since they should KNOW by now that Fridays are badbadbad.

Thanks bb! ♥
forwardish: HSM3 Troy basketball hottnessforwardish on May 12th, 2009 10:21 pm (UTC)
i am kind of on the very fringes of SPN fandom.
like i stalk certain journals and i read some fic, but I don't actively engage in fandom activities bc PEOPLE ARE BATSHIT INSANE!


*pointedly uses Zace Fron icon.
Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on May 12th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
They are, and it's a shame that the entire fandom has gotten such a bad rep based off those batshit insane folks when they are a great deal of absolutely friendly, mature and sane individuals that reside there. But the most you hear about are the wankings that happen. I'm sometimes ashamed to be associated with such a fandom like that. :/