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17 May 2009 @ 04:54 am
SPN: "Lucifer Rising" Episode Review + Meta  
Um, this is probably my first EPIC BEYOND EPIC episode review ever? Until I writeup the BSG series finale review that's been prolonged, but yes, Supernatural has created a meta-monster outta me. Go figure. This is also very Castiel and religious-meta heavy, mostly Castiel-centric though. Of course.

Supernatural 4.22 "Lucifer Rising"

And so it begins, the beginning of the end. The Supernatural fourth season finale gives us the big bang to what we've been craving for throughout these past seasons; revelations for the endgame, the destinies of the Winchesters that intertwine with the larger picture that's been foretold from the very beginning.

In this episode both brothers struggle with themselves and their relationship which during their confrontation in the previous episode had them in a bitter standstill. Sam tries to deal with his brothers words as he gets closer to discovering Lilith's location to kill her once and for all, while Dean, taken by the angels in a "safe location" as the end approaches. However, both are hit with heavy anvils as startling truths are revealed; Zachariah reveals to Dean that they never intended to stop the war, and in fact Dean's mission is to fight Lucifer himself. Castiel also struggles with his own morality, between his orders and what he deems right, his relationship and bond with Dean to that point, and makes the ultimate decision for the first time in his entire existence. Meanwhile Sam, going back and forth whether what he's doing is right or wrong, successfully kills Lilith...only to discover that he successfully unleashed the Final Seal, realizing he's been played the entire time.

The season cliffhanger leaves these two Winchester brothers, filled with devastation and regret with all that's happened, standing frozen in place as they watch the sigil formed from Lilith's blood break the seal and unleash Lucifer from his prison.....

Castiel's Journey: Morality, Conflictions and His Relationship With Dean Winchester

It's no secret that Castiel has become my one of my favorite characters on the show, ever since he was introduced in the premiere episode of this season. Right from when he says "I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from predition" and "I'm an angel of the Lord" to Dean, immediately my interest perked up. Originally his character was supposed to have minimal episodes, but from popular demand by fandom Misha's contract was expanded and we got a whole load of character development which has captivated me throughout the entire season, intermingling with the larger mytharc and even with the Winchesters as Castiel, the angel, grows and evolves and becomes part of the show itself.

These last several episodes weighed heavily on this development, and I have to say I approve heartily of what they've been doing, particularly in this finale where it had been a pivotal moment to Castiel's character as a whole.

First I'd like to focus on his struggles with his own morality. For a while I had been worried about Castiel, since he came returned from Heaven he seemed changed, distant and cold. I feared the worst, as most of fans were, whether Heaven had demolished all his personal experiences which had been causing him to stray from his orders, lobotomizing him in a way. However the next time we see him his entire body language reads that he despises what he's been ordered to do, and his eyes even say more than words could, from there we knew he was being held on a tighter and shorter leash by his superiors and is constantly being watched. He doesn't like it, but has no choice in the matter. He is a soldier of Heaven and he's been instructed to comply to any order given without question or hesitation.

Castiel is stuck between a rock and a hard place, constantly struggling internally of what is right and wrong in the position he's placed in. Here we see him standing obediently behind Zachariah, his superior, not doing or saying anything. He simply cannot, because that's what he was ordered to do. Throughout the first half of the episode Castiel looks like a puppy that'd been kicked, repeatedly. He knows the end is coming, he knows the endgame and that the angels want it to happen, and he knows the fates of the Winchesters, but there's nothing he could've done at that point. He's not cold or unfeeling, in fact his quiet demeanor tells us the exact opposite. Castiel does feel, he has strong emotions about this upcoming war and how Heaven's being operated.

Which brings us to something incredibly vital he stated in this episode. When confronting Dean, Castiel says this:
"What is so worth saving? I see nothing but pain here! I see inside you. I see your guilt, your anger, confusion. In Paradise, all is forgiven. You'll be at peace, even with Sam."
This is perhaps the most vital scene for Castiel, not only concerning his relationship with Dean but also with himself and how he views the world. He's emotionally unloading himself before Dean, trying to make him understand. He's desperately clinging to something, he wants his entire existence to mean something, he doesn't want to believe there isn't any God, that he has to blindly obey orders that he doesn't agree with, that everything he's witnessed isn't just. He's trying to convince Dean here, but he's also trying to convince himself, that despite everything Heaven is this "paradise" that he's always known. This is where he's torn between sides, where he's merely hanging on that thread of who he is and who he's becoming because of this one human he's come to know and understand, and love.

I've seen people questioning what Castiel is saying, that whatever happened to his notions that humans were his Father's grandest pieces of art. Well, in the beginning even as Castiel was having doubts and questioning certain things he was only beginning to feel, the experience humanity like he's never known before; as a heavenly soldier and unfamiliar with mortality he was a bit detached for a while. But because he's starting to feel for the first time in, like, forever, these emotions are getting the better of him and the more he feels the more affected he'll be to other emotions around him. And with his knowledge of what Heaven has planned, what they did to him, combined with these newfound emotions that are completely foreign, he's starting to see things from a different perspective. That innocence? Gone.

I don't think he'll stop loving his Father and His Creations, he may still believe that humanity are pieces of art, but due to his experiences he's changed. He's become more aware of things around him and it's affected how he percieves things. In fact, when he confronts Dean it's almost like he's asking why Dean would choose pain and anguish and despair over eternity in Heaven, in Paradise, and that's just heartbreaking.

Also from that statement it says a lot about his relationship with Dean. So much he unloaded, this is perhaps the best moment between them throughout the entire season. Because the scene was so raw with emotion, the tension which could've been cut with a knife, everything. They are both pleading in desperation, and it's heartbreaking seeing them like this and yet it's compelling because it says a lot about how much they need each other. Dean needs Castiel because he's the only one, besides Sam, that has proven he can be trusted even if his superiors are sketchy with their so-called motivations. In turn, Castiel needs Dean because he's come to understand humanity through him, before he understood only what he was supposed to know. But from his personal experience through Dean he's come a long way of understanding both sides of the war that he's completely conflicted, and Dean is the only one he can truly confide in. He trusts him, and clearly everything Castiel has done has all been for Dean. Everything. He's sacrificed himself, pulled him from Hell, confided secrets he wouldn't tell another being, prayed for him, even bent the rules of his order to help Dean out, and he got punished for that.

Everything Castiel has done has been for this one human, and it's heartwarming and bittersweet and heartbreaking all at the same time. Because sometimes it feels almost one-sided as Dean hasn't even acknowledged these things, not verbally. Even though we know he appreciates and trusts Castiel, he hasn't shown it as deeply as Castiel has shown his appreciation and care and hope and faith in him.

This episode truly marks the shifting moment in Castiel's journey, as he finally makes a decision for himself and chooses to help Dean and defy his superiors and Heaven; sacrifcing himself even though he was absolutely fucking terrified of making that choice which Dean had pleaded him to make, fearing that once he did that they would all be hunted and killed without mercy. Castiel makes his choice, and it's for Dean. It's always all been for Dean. He defies Heaven's orders to do what he believes is right, and he sacrifices himself yet again by placing himself between Dean and the archangels, yelling out: "I'll hold them off! I'll hold them all off!" just before sending Dean to go after his brother, having him alone with Chuck at his side as the archangels burn brightly outside.

Now had I not known beforehand that Misha was returning next season, I would've been absolutely fucking terrified for Castiel. He truly made a self-sacrificing decision in that moment, as he could've gone with Dean to get Sam but instead did what Dean had said to him previously, that what they were fighting for was worth dying over. Which would've been a noble thing to do, after the entire season of going through this self-discovery and journey, his first self-made decision would've been his last. Which is...frightening and sad to think about, which makes me very glad that he is returning next season, otherwise I'd be giving myself a heart attack here.

Now I have my theories about Castiel versus the archangel. Either he'll end up fighting with the archangel but escaping just in time and/or the archangel disappears because Lucifer has been risen, or the archangels are actually on his side which would make for an awesome revelation next season, adding more good angels on the side of Heaven than the corruption we've been seeing.

Overall, Castiel's journey has been a fascinating and also heartbreaking one. I love the concept of angels and Heaven being introduced and put into the Supernatural mythos, but I don't think I've ever been as deeply fixated and attached to such a character like Castiel. From the directions they're taking his character and Misha Collins just giving it his all in this role, Castiel is truly an amazing (and tragic) character and I cannot wait to see what is in store for him next season.

Let The War Commence: Heaven's War and Lucifer Rising
"And war broke out in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in Heaven any longer." ~ REV 12:7
I admit, once it had been revealed that Heaven was wanting this war to be unleashed and for Lucifer to be released from his eternal prison, I fist-pumped with absolute glee. Why? Because I had long-ago predicted this would happen, it was inevitable had anyone cared to read up on Revelation, which is precisely what this entire season had been centered and based around. It just makes sense because we were given clues earlier in the season, and once finding out that Uriel had gone off mission and was converting others to this exact cause that Zachariah had mentioned, I immediately knew that Kripke was going in this direction, and I'm happy he is.

And I'll say this as I've mentioned before, in the Bible, preferably the Book of Revelation, in which once the Seventh Seal was opened that unleashes the Seven Trumpets of Judgment, sounded by the Seven Angels, that brings forth destruction upon the world; literally destroying one-third of mankind.

Heaven's angels be motherfucking fierce and ruthlessly hardcore, seriously.

Obviously Kripke is using this piece of religious lore and molding it to fit the mythos of the series as a whole, but the concepts rings true all the same. Again, me being happy they are actually using this mythology into the show, makes things much more interesting, and questioning the moral rights of the situation at hand. When Zachariah tells Dean that this wasn't the first planetary enema they've delivered, I knew they were focusing on previous destructions of mankind or worlds in the past. Though, like many people are thinking that Zachariah is evil and corrupted, which I'm not arguing that because he's definitely dangerously righteous, but the angels seem to have destiny on their minds and believe that because of Dean setting loose the Apocalypse, he must finish it. By destroying Lucifer, their enemy and rival. Why him specifically seems to have been foretold in prophecy, but how to achieve this since Dean is only one man against this incredibly dangerous and powerful creature? That has yet to be revealed.

If the show plans on making the religious mythology just so, them being the "agents of fate" as they've proclaimed to being means manipulating the courses of things so the endgame can happen based on their own agenda. Whether the world burns or not in the midst of Lucifer's rising doesn't seem to matter to them. Humanity dead or alive, some of the angels don't really care, even detest humanity in general as Uriel had. This can lead to something I'm desparately praying will happen next season: another war in Heaven.

War in Heaven, as it also mentions in the Book of Revelation, as it appears there are those angels that want the war to commence and for Lucifer to rise, there are others I'm presuming who are like Castiel that oppose this very notion. My predictions and wishes for next season is to have more angels join up with Castiel and the Winchesters as to not only stop the Apocalypse but also to fight against those in Heaven that have lost their faith in God, their Father and Creator, since this is also part of their own judgment; purifying the unfaithful and unjust deeds (just as the corrupted want to do with humanity) to regain the natural order of the universe again.

I also predict that even though it's prophecy, Dean will not kill Lucifer. Defeat him probably, but by that I mean sending him back into his eternal prison. Granted I keep thinking about Legend and what the Lord of Darkness says ("You think you have won? What is Light without Dark? I am part of you all, you cannot destroy me, we are brother eternal!") and using that in comparison to what might happen in the very end of Supernatural. This is only my speculated thoughts, since demons and evil does still exist even without Lucifer roaming about in this universe, but still. Even though it would be awesome and amazing if the Winchesters could fight off Lucifer and destroy him once and for all, I kinda hoping that they leave it ambiguous. Like if the show were to introduce God, they would do so discreetly without really acknowledging whether God had appeared to them or not.

Nevertheless, I'm overly excited and enthusiastic for what's ahead. I have no clue what they'll do, and hopefully they won't screw anything up, but they've done a faithful job so far so I'm have faith in them to keep it the way they've been going. The religious and theological aspect added into Supernatural has really intrigued me, I admit. Not that I wasn't before but meshing it with the mythology of the show adds a lot more perspective to everything, piecing it altogether as we're heading towards the end of the line for the boys and their epic journey. Makes things much more fascinating and exciting.

The Winchesters: Back On The Road Again?

When the episode started the brothers were at a standstill, separated by their previous heated argument of conflicting ideas of how to go about things, in different mindsets altogether. Of course, both were conflicted and torn from their last confrontation that they kept trying to understand the other and even tried to communicate via phone, and they only came back together briefly in the end once everything had been said and done, obviously apologies on both sides. Quite frankly, even though I am grateful the two brothers are back together again especially now when the end is totally fucking nigh, I guess a part of me is kinda disappointed their conflict didn't last longer than two episodes.

I mean don't get me wrong, I love the boys and they should be together, hunting side-by-side instead of the constant lying and distrust and worrying and being scared of the other. Because their brotherhood is stronger and more epic than any other sibling relationship in television, and yes they were on this tail end of fighting with one another for most of the season. I guess my disappointment comes from my high expectations of having a full-out brother versus brother battle, which unless Kripke has Lucifer possess Sam's body, I don't think we're going to get that especially since now that they both understand the roles they're to play in this war. They'll need each other in the days ahead, for sure.

Which I guess is all for the better, since the boys work more efficiently when they're on the same page and mindset, so I'm happy that after everything they've come together. The main concept here is family, it's the entire mission statement of the show.

But are they truly alright with one another? Can they truly bounce back after everything that's happened between them?

They're both on the ends of guilt for what happened in terms of the Apocalypse. Dean for opening the First Seal, and Sam for opening the Final Seal. Everything comes full circle; Lazarus Rising, Lucifer Rising, and from the looks of things they've unintentionally set things into motion that could mean the destruction of the world unless they can stop it, perhaps together because they are the Winchester brothers. Even if it's prophecized that Dean is to fight Lucifer, there is no frakking way he can do that alone without help.

Memorable Moments of the Episode:

++ The filming style. I have this thing for cinematagraphy, since it tells a story all in its own. I liked the blurred shots in the beginning and then at the end as the screen fades into white. I loved the looming shots of Dean instead the Angel Room, going from overhead and even shot through the harp strings, but most of all? I absolutely loved how the room's brightly colored tint grew darker, more dreary, once Dean finds out the truth from Zachariah of what Heaven has planned for the war and his destiny. Setting the mood and tone just right, that was sheer brilliance.

++ The Angel Room. I call it that because, um, have you seen the interior of that place? Angel paintings hung everywhere, angel figurines, a gigantic golden harp, the very fancy-shmancy interior design which looks like something from a Victorian style catalogue. Yeah. They totally didn't skimp on making it seem incredibly awesome and even expensive for such a luxurious place to hold Dean against his will.

++ Though seriously, silver platters with dozens of hamburgers and beer....but no pie? DON'T THE ANGELS UNDERSTAND DEAN AT ALL? HE WANTS HIS DAMN PIE, DAMMIT! Makes me wonder if Castiel would've protested to be like "um, if you wanna bride Dean go for pie." lol


++ Zachariah is one smug righteous asshole, and I....kinda like him? There's something about the corruption and how he seems to deem himself more superior than anything, even though he talks about higher management I think Zachariah wants to take control over Heaven with all his notions. What'd y'all think? Though I lol'd when he was all being Dean's pimp. XD

++ How come most of the angels are sarcastic whereas Castiel is more reserved or kind of naive when it comes to jokes or sarcasm? I find that rather interesting.


++ EPIC DEAN/CASTIEL IS EPIC! It needs to be said because it's absolutely trufax. There is no denying they have amazing chemistry, their interactive scenes were just so raw and intense that you could literally feel the heat vibrating through the screen; the emotions running high, the feel of fear and desparation and betrayal, and they justified and victorious as Castiel makes his decision but then scared again just, holy fucking crap can these two just make out already?!?! Srsly. This pairing is just...motherfucking epic on so many levels.

++ LOL Dean punching Castiel only to hurt his hand. Anyone else thinking Terminator when that happened? It sounded like his fist collided with steel. LOL

++ Castiel unleashing his emotions like that in front of Dean...has he done that before? Not like this, not in such shaking desperation that it looked like he was going to cry or breakdown. And when he was saying "if I do this, we will all be hunted, we will all be killed!" his EYES people! His eyes were so wide with fear, he was FUCKING TERRIFIED. If there's anything to be worried about is a fierce angel of the Lord being TERRIFIED about something. Oh, Cas. ***hugs him forever and ever because he deserves it***

++ "We're done" D: DON'T BREAKUP WITH HIM DEAN! DDD: You can totes tell he didn't want to say that, though. And Castiel looked so torn at what Dean was saying to him. My pairing, it hurts so bad yet so good.




++ LOL @ Chuck.

++ Bobby is kinda awesome. Some are suggesting that it was OOC for him to explode on Dean, but I kinda agreed with him. Dean was ready to give up on his brother, but the thing about family is that you NEVER give up on them. Because family is still family, your blood, even if they do stupid things you still love them. While Dean was crushed and yeah Sam wasn't acting like himself and had made that choice, Dean shouldn't just give up. Though I can understand why, since I was feeling the same way Dean was about Sam. Tired of fighting the same battle and not getting anywhere fast, etc.

++ I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again because of the revelation we got it rings so much truth: ANGELS are CYLONS. More trufax than ever before.

++ Ruby's death. I will say I wasn't impressed with Genevieve's portrayal of Ruby, but this episode I felt she at least did her best performance since it would be her last. I'm not necessarily saying she was pure "evil" like many are throwing around (which people in the SPN fen use that term so loosely these days), but she definitely was not doing good things with her manipulative plans for Sam. I do believe she cared for him, even developed feelings for Sam overtime and believed that this was his destiny and he should embrace it. But heh, her death was justified as Dean rammed her own knife into her. Poetic justice, and while that was nicely played this Ruby will NOT be missed.

++ But I kinda loved the symbolism there; Dean killed the one that had been separating them this whole time, which makes it even more awesome looking at her death scene as Sam holds Ruby while Dean kills her, it's like they are working together for the same purpose once again.

++ All in the same, I feel there are a few holes in Ruby's storyline, comparing S3 to S4 there are certain things we should've gotten more answers to but were never mentioned again. Such a great waste to what would've been an awesome character as she had been in S3. Oh well.

++ "You didn't need the feather to fly, you had it in you the whole time, Dumbo." Okay, I have to admit that was well played too. It also adds more complexity to Sam's destiny and if he just needed that preparation from Ruby to get stronger in believing he was getting stronger through the demon blood. And even if she denies it, she WAS poisoning him.


++ O HAI THAR YELLOW-EYED DEMON. LONG TIME NO SEE, EH? But oh, the Sixty-Sixth Seal being hidden underneath a convent, oh ironical is that. Heh. The nun massacre though was disturbing, but more disturbing was Lucifer talking through the dead!nun. Holy crap.

++ The sigil made from Lilith's blood was kinda creepifying, but in an awesome kinda way.


Overall: I MOTHERFUCKING LOVED THIS FINALE, LIKE WHOA. Capslock aside, I really truly did love this finale. While yes there was no big huge battle between angels and demons or anything like that, but we are given answers to questions we've had since the beginning, even from questions that have risen from the beginning of this season as they were brought up. Like what Azazel's endgame was, why he was choosing "special children" like Sammy, what Lilith's purpose was, the angel's plans for the war, the truth about Ruby, Castiel's decision which changes everything for him (and hopefully he'll come out from it okay). Along with EPIC DEAN/CASTIEL which was FTW and MOTHERFRAKKING HAWT LIKE WHOA. It doesn't trump the S1 finale, since I hold that as my favorite, but it totally outranks S3's finale and even S2, mostly because S2 had some resolution whereas here we get a cliffhanger which leaves us going OMGWTFLUCIFER?!?! Yeah.

Season five now, plz Kripke?

This summer hiatus is gonna kill me dead, just you wait.
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Renée: Castiel. Halo.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
I thought I was going to overload on the usting, seriously. So much Dean/Castiel goodness, I just squeed so hard during the episode. I love my OTP so frakking hard right now. ♥
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Renée: Castiel. Oh shit!rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 07:01 pm (UTC)
evilrobynmoonofwinds on May 17th, 2009 12:24 pm (UTC)

++ "We're done" D: DON'T BREAKUP WITH HIM DEAN! DDD: You can totes tell he didn't want to say that, though. And Castiel looked so torn at what Dean was saying to him. My pairing, it hurts so bad yet so good.

I laughed so hard at this line. Made my day, really. Summer hiatus will be a long and grinding death than we're all going to be like: "wait... Can't die now, premiere soon!"

The relationship development in this episode made this fandom so canon. Kripke must be a closet fan.

Lucifer is going to be one badass mother****er and the archangel is not going to be a puppy. Dean and Sam, and Cas are all going to have an eventful first episode in the fall.
Renée: Castiel. Nngh.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
I cannot believe we're in hiatus already. I just, I needs the fifth season RIGHT FRAKKING NOW! Seriously.

Kripke is totes a closet fan, I refuse to believe otherwise.

Not only is Lucifer gonna be a badass motherfucker, he's going to be one fucking frightening badass motherfucker, and it's interesting that we have yet to see the archangels personified yet. I wonder if we will, or if they'll stay ambiguous and more of a presence. Idk, but yes, Castiel and the Winchesters are going to have one epic adventure ahead of them. AND I CANNOT WAIT! THE SUSPENSE, IT WILL KILL ME!
Becky: SPN: Party in the hizzah!beckytheelf on May 17th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
I always enjoy reading your ep reviews and meta bb. You always seem to communicate exactly what I'm thinking.
I can't wait for our show to come back because it's going to be fucking epic this season...hell,even better than the last.
Renée: Cylons. Happy endings are love.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 07:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you bb, I'm always appreciative of your compliments. ♥

This season overall has been pretty frakking epic in and of itself, so if next season tops this....I'm going to die from happiness. I needs more epic television in my life, and so far Supernatural (and Dollhouse and TSCC respectively) have fulfilled those voids perfectly. :)
srs bsns: castiel dean i swearibroketuesday on May 17th, 2009 02:42 pm (UTC)
God, Castiel is so amazing. What's especially remarkable is that this is only two episodes after they pulled him back to heaven. In 4x18, the minute he realized that he could help Dean, he did, no hesitation. He even seemed rather gleeful about it. XD And then, when he uncovered the information that the angels really did want the apocalypse, he went straight to Dean. He knew exactly how much trouble he'd get in - he was so scared - and he told him anyway. What must they have done to him in heaven, to have him come out so different? He'd seen Dean's pain and guilt before, but he obviously wasn't on board with the plan the first time he heard it. He didn't want Dean in paradise, he wanted Dean on earth as we know it. Whatever they did to him, he left willing to go forward with Plan Apocalypse because it would bring Dean peace. I don't think that's all of it; he was obviously under close watch and he had to obey, these were his orders, and he looked like he had doubts about the whole thing but he was terrified of disobeying, but the fact remains that doubts or not, at least a part of Castiel was ready to play his assigned role. And still, even after torture, even after they changed his mind, even as scared as he was, he listened when Dean tried to convince him. He believed what Dean told him. He went to die for the cause that Dean told him was worth dying for. He tried to be what heaven told him to be but as soon as Dean begged him, he couldn't. Castiel's love for Dean is about as canon as it gets.

When Dean said "We're done" and Castiel whispered, brokenly, "Dean..." Look at this:

Renée: Castiel. Torn of righteous paths.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
And then, when he uncovered the information that the angels really did want the apocalypse, he went straight to Dean. He knew exactly how much trouble he'd get in - he was so scared - and he told him anyway. What must they have done to him in heaven, to have him come out so different?

Jesus, to even think what Heaven could've done to him makes my heart ache, it terrifies me to even consider the possibilities and yet I do because I want to understand Castiel more than just being a pretty face on my screen.

You're right, it's not as simple as him just returning from being scolded, they obviously had to show him the hurt and pain of humans, of Dean in particular, that unless he obeyed and allowed destiny to take its course without interfering then all that would happen to Dean and everyone Dean cared about. Knowing Castiel, he cares and loves this human so much that he doesn't want to see him suffer, so he reluctantly goes along with Heaven's orders. Him going off on Dean about his pain, that he would be better off in Paradise at peace than on Earth with all the turmoil and anger....I felt for Castiel right there. He probably understood all this before, but whatever happened intensified with his own emotions emerging and it twisted and gutted him. Oh Castiel, bb!

And still, even after torture, even after they changed his mind, even as scared as he was, he listened when Dean tried to convince him. He believed what Dean told him. He went to die for the cause that Dean told him was worth dying for. He tried to be what heaven told him to be but as soon as Dean begged him, he couldn't. Castiel's love for Dean is about as canon as it gets.

SO MUCH WORD TO THIS, FOR REAL. I just am really loving the epicness of these two, aside from the usting and eyefuckage there's that deep chemistry and trust and love bound between them that it prevails in the end, even against all odds. I love them so frakking much, even if they break my heart they make it swell ten times more every single time. ♥

srs bsns: castiel dean love notesibroketuesday on May 17th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
It does hurt that they traumatized him so badly they managed to change him, doesn't it? :( Obviously it wasn't all that permanent, but oh, Cas. Poor baby.

Him going off on Dean about his pain, that he would be better off in Paradise at peace than on Earth with all the turmoil and anger....I felt for Castiel right there.

At first I was like, "WTF, Castiel is on board with this crazy plan?" and then he said he wanted it so that Dean could be at peace and OH CASTIEL. It's tragic, really, because Castiel is becoming humanized and finding himself and discovering emotions and it should be a beautiful process that has pie and hugs and happiness, but instead, it's brought him confusion and doubt and pain; the person he loves is in pain and has brought Castiel little but pain but he can't stop loving him anyway. Castiel's such a sweetheart; I wish love didn't hurt quite so much for him!

I can't wait for the epic Dean/Cas next season, now that Castiel has decisively chosen Dean over heaven. It's gonna be amazing.

Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 03:45 am (UTC)
I just want to hug Castiel so badly, because he deserves many comforting hugs dammit. He's just all discombobulated and confused with all these stirring emotions that he's not sure what to do. Poor baby, indeed. I want him to find peace with this love, not hurt because of it. Both him and Dean, to find that unconditional love and to not be disappointed and hurt by it. After everything they deserve it the most. :(

It is going to be amazing, though. We've gotten so much Dean/Castiel this season that next season? It might just EXPLODE with so much more.
srs bsnsibroketuesday on May 18th, 2009 05:43 am (UTC)
Yes. :( I want Dean to realize how much Castiel loves him and to care for him in return, and I want Castiel to be safe in his love.

I'm really looking forward to how amazing it might get now that Castiel is on Team Winchester instead of Team God.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on May 17th, 2009 02:43 pm (UTC)
Though seriously, silver platters with dozens of hamburgers and beer....but no pie?
I know, maybe they thought he wanted those burgers more then the pie. He didn't even get to eat one of them lol.

I know! I wonder what kind of damage was done with all the demon blood he was drinking. Will he be permanently demon-ish? Will he be the host for Lucifer? We need season five now.
Renée: Castiel. Halo.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
They obviously don't know Dean very well, then. Because it's ALWAYS about pie. Though I'm glad Dean didn't eat any of the burgers or drink the beer, coming from the angels you don't know what they might have spiked in there.

Well, according what what we've learned Sam has always had that power within him, it's just been dormat until he was willingly ready to exercise it. The demon blood was more like his fix of spiked confidence, but I don't think he won't be unaffected by it. He drank so much, he got addicted and he was going through dangerous withdrawals. Who knows what'll happen?

Like most I have the theory that Sam might become the host of Lucifer at some point, which would make it harder for Dean because he's supposed to defeat Lucifer. D: Agreed, S5 nao Kripke? Kthx.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on May 17th, 2009 07:09 pm (UTC)
I know, and he looked so confused. He was like burger and beer? WTF? Everyone knows Dean is all about the pie. But really, who knows if there was something in them.

I think the demon blood did have some effect on him other than whatever was laying dormant in him. Which, I wonder how he always had the power in him to begin with, it just points back to my it was destiny/fate theory lol.

We needed season five to start right after the finale aired. That was one huge cliffhanger.
Renée: Castiel. Conflicted.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
I'm sure he was also weirded out that Zachariah was being his personal pimp for some reason, briding him with food and beer and women? Why would you eat something when some jackass angel wants is somewhat flirting with you? XD

Of course, because he has his psychic abilities before in previous seasons, from the visions to even telekinesis at that one time. His destiny, along with Dean's destiny, have been foretold since the beginning. Also, remember when Azazel fed some of his blood into baby!Sammy? This could go along those same lines...and it'll definitely have a larger effect on him than he could've ever imagined, and not just withdrawal either.

Definitely huge cliffhanger, right up there with the S1 cliffhanger.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on May 17th, 2009 07:36 pm (UTC)
OMG that was funny. He'd eat because it would be comfort eating? I would have been all up in that food if I found out that the apocalypse was about to start lol. Of course their bribing me because they tricked me food would be all things chocolate and root beer lol.

I meant him having the power to do it in the first place is part of my destiny/fate theory lol. And all of that so does(which is funny because I was just explaining all the YED stuff and how it goes with my destiny/fate theory to someone yesterday!).

Yeah, two best cliffhangers, but this one pwns the season one cliffhanger lol.
Renée: Echo; dealing with srs bznz.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 07:44 pm (UTC)
Hee, I wouldn't. If the Apocalypse was coming I think I'd lose my appetite altogether.

Oh, I see. Out of curiosity what is your destiny/fate theory?

I personally still maintain that the S1 cliffhanger, and the S2 opener that continues from that, are probably the most epic, but this finale comes in very close towards that epicness. Of course if the S5 opener continues in the same forumla as the S1/S2 connective episodes did, then it'll be a tie for sure.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on May 17th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
lol, if I was being offered a bunch of food by the angels after they tricked me Dean style, it'd be OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD comfort eating time.

Well, since destiny/fate can not be changed, and it would always come about, I figured it had to have been foretold. Sam was destined to be the one to break the last seal, the YED was gunning for him. He gave him demon blood when he was a baby, he had his money on him when it came time to start training the "special people" or whatever he planned on doing himself with them. When Sam died, Dean brought him back, putting him back in the game. It was destiny for a Winchester to break the first seal. The demons thought it would be John, but it turned out to be Dean. Having Dean in hell gave them another chance at breaking all the seals, so Ruby was with Sam working on the YED's plan(I still call it his plan lol). They had the whole episode about trying to stop Sam from meeting up with Lilith, and everything that had been foretold by the prophet Chuck came about no matter how hard they tried to change it because it was destiny. And in the end, Dean and Castiel make a move on stopping Sam from killing Lilith, the last seal, and it still happened. It was fate, and had been foretold by Chuck. However Chuck got the messages, it was still fate because no matter how hard they try to make a change, it would come about one way or another.Destiny. Sam was had the power/will to do it in the first place because it was part of his destiny.

It basically ties everything that we know together, which is great because now we know what the crap was up with Sam's physic abilities lol. And what exactly the YED's plan was, which was kind of left in the air to theorize for some time.

I think I'm the only person who thought the season two finale was kind of meh. I liked it, but it wasn't one of my favorites lol. I thought the season four finale was the best because the whole episode was epic, and it kind of tied everything together. But to each their own lol.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - Dean and Castielicecoldrain on May 17th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
I forgot something about the theory, I think Sam is the "special child" they were talking about, which would tie back into his destiny. Whether he will be a host of some sort, or lead the demons on earth, or actually be a demon now, it would all tie back in.
Renée: Six. Angel of God.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 11:32 pm (UTC)
Awesome piece of meta there, which now with clarification I completely agree.

It really gives us an interesting look of course to the idea of destiny, whether what is foretold doesn't necessarily mean that certain events will still hold together. Things can be shifted, but the outcome still remains the same. But there's that issue of freewill, that if you know everything there is to know about prophecies then how can you live in peace knowing the outcome of everything? Dean doesn't give a damn about anything about fate and destiny and believes that the future isn't written in stone, and it must be hard for Castiel, in particular, knowing the endgame and the plan the angels had and possibly even the fate of the Winchesters when he's become so personally attached to Dean. It's truly heartbreaking to watch unravel, actually.

So with Castiel saying "we're making it up as we go" can mean mutliple things, really. It's pretty ambiguous whether destiny can be altered or if it holds strong until something else changes or shifts. Whether or not anything goes here, it's pretty fascinating to watch characters who either believe or disbelieve in destiny/fate.

Destiny and Fate, it's what this show thrives on particularly now that everything is coming together. I love this aspect and direction they're taking.
icecoldrain: Heroes - Dudeicecoldrain on May 18th, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)
Thanks lol. We all have the whole summer to think about what this all means. I'll probably realize more things that tie into their fate the more I think about it lol.

So with Castiel saying "we're making it up as we go" can mean mutliple things, really.
So true, and I wonder how much of an impact he will make for the last of the show.

Same here, and the great thing is, if you have a marathon from episode one, it all works toward the direction it's gone. Some shows, when you watch it from the beggining, your like how did we get to this point? Because it was clearly something that was thought of later.
Renée: Cylons. Happy endings are love.rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, me too. I have so many meta stuff swirling around in my head, that once I start thinking about things the more it'll add to my theories collection. Hee.

So true, and I wonder how much of an impact he will make for the last of the show.

I have theories about this as well, since we're on the subject of destiny and fate, that Castiel has his own Destiny to fulfill. Which could be orchestrated by God Himself, also however his impact will be I'm sure it'll bring some form of this war down somehow. Either with Lucifer or with the angels that have turned against God. But again, all up for speculation at this point.

Some shows, when you watch it from the beggining, your like how did we get to this point? Because it was clearly something that was thought of later.


The fact that Kripke has had a plan from the beginning and knew he needed at least four or five seasons to complete his story. All that was needed was how to reach those particular points, with little tweaks here and there, but overall he's one of the rare few in the business that knew where he wanted to go for his creation and plans on carrying that out until the end.
icecoldrain: Heroes - Dudeicecoldrain on May 18th, 2009 02:39 am (UTC)
It must have been scary for Kripke having his whole show mapped out, and then having the possibility of it being canceled come up every season. Thankfully it never got canceled lol. I heard there may be a sixth season but I doubt it. I don't think an additional season would do the show any good.

Everyone from Heroes should learn from Kripke, they need to plan out how they want it to end and then go from there. I still love heroes even though they're confused lol.
Renée: Echo; dealing with srs bznz.rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
I remember Kripke mentioning that fear of getting canceled, since in the beginning the ratings weren't exactly top notch, so he planned every season out like it was going to be its last even though he had like a five-year plan for the entire show. So even if it did get canceled before its time he had a chance to set a resolution of sorts.

I heard that rumor too, but it's all for speculation since they need to know how well S5 does before making such assumptions for a S6. Which ITA, adding another season for the hell of it just wouldn't be right unless there's an absolute legitimate reason for it.

For me, I need fandoms that have a plan of action for a beginning, middle and end of their story they want to tell. No sloppiness and messing with storylines and the entire plot just for ratings sakes. As much as I would love gazillions of seasons for a favorite series of mine, sometimes prolonged seasons are worse than series that only have a few. Those few seasons overrule those many, imo, and I want SPN to go out with a Big Bang and on top. Another thing Kripke wants which I agree with.
icecoldrain: Heroes - Dudeicecoldrain on May 18th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I doubt it though. I can't see it going on for another season unless they discovered that they can't get what he planned into all one season. I want it to go out with a bang, and not "why is that show still going?" like so many shows do.

So many shows get cut short, while others go on for ten plus seasons(like ER). So while the big shows are getting worse by the season, a show that had potential didn't get a chance.
Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 05:48 pm (UTC)
So while the big shows are getting worse by the season, a show that had potential didn't get a chance.

This is sad because it's true, which is the unfortunate reality we live in. So many of my favorite shows have had at least one or two seasons, three at the most before it was canned. :(
icecoldrain: Heroes - Dudeicecoldrain on May 18th, 2009 06:08 pm (UTC)
Same here, one of my shows didn't even get to finish it's first season. It was barely advertised, and it got moved around a lot. It was on one week, then it was on three weeks later, then it would be on two weeks after that on a different night. And so many shows get replaced by bad reality TV.
noybusiness on May 17th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
I'm glad Dean didn't eat those burgers. You know what they say about eating the food of the faeries or the underworld.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
They were probably juiced with something. But I'm also glad that Dean turned down his many offers to make him "relaxed", including the offer of women (which I still lol at that, srsly). Dean's all "stop flirting with me dude, I'm Castiel's bitch not yours" XDD
jello: dean: vintage badassjelost on May 17th, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)
This? Frakking epic.

I still have no words. Castiel destroyed me in this episode. And the reveal about Ruby was awesome. And Chuck!

That's a nice thought about the archangels being on Castiel's side -- I hope you're right! It's weird that they appeared at all though: their purpose is to protect Chuck from potential threats, so why did they appear just then?

Epic. Epic beyond epic.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on May 17th, 2009 06:34 pm (UTC)
Castiel breaks my heart every time, and this episode didn't falter in making me wanna bust through the screen and give him a huge hug. Because boy, does this angel need one. :( Misha just has that effect over me, which makes me really excited for what is going to happen next season with him.

I hope I'm right too, bb! ;D Quite frankly we need more angels that don't agree with Heaven's change in regulations. I'm positive there's more, Castiel can't be the only one that questions and doubts.

their purpose is to protect Chuck from potential threats, so why did they appear just then?

Apparently Heaven deems Dean and Castiel's presence a potential threat? Castiel disobeyed and had wanted to change prophecy from happening so I'm pretty sure Zachariah gave out the word on what happened, and once knowing where they went to here comes to archangels! Although if my theory is right Chuck's archangel is probably wanting to join Castiel. Or maybe just drop for a little "hey s'up Cas" reunion thing. Idk.
The Large Purple Weed: Castiel - warrior angeltracy on May 17th, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)
Throughout the first half of the episode Castiel looks like a puppy that'd been kicked, repeatedly.


after the entire season of going through this self-discovery and journey, his first self-made decision would've been his last

This is why I think Castiel is actually the most tragic character on the show, even moreso than the brothers. They've both loved hard and been loved hard in return, and they've both lived, even if their lives were crappy. Castiel has not.

or the archangels are actually on his side which would make for an awesome revelation next season


to not only stop the Apocalypse but also to fight against those in Heaven that have lost their faith in God

I think you have the most epic ideas for season five out of anyone I've seen on my flist, which is exactly why I think Kripke will go this way. I used to be all "but if season four is about the apocalypse, what could season five possibly be about to top that?" And this? You've just answered that question, oh my god, I fucking love you.

I kinda hoping that they leave it ambiguous.

Me too, now that I think of it. It would be pretty boring not having Lucifer down there, like paradise on earth. Which is a bad thing, in SPN.

for such a luxurious place to hold Dean against his will

This made me giggle, for some reason. ♥

It sounded like his fist collided with steel. LOL

My theory is that Castiel only turned his head so Dean wouldn't break his hand. ♥

it's like they are working together for the same purpose once again.

I love love LOVE their moment of uncoordinated coordination. My boys, oh god.

Renée: Castiel. Conflicted.rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 01:33 am (UTC)

But yes, absolutely, Castiel is the most tragic character on the show by far, and for those reasons exactly. The Winchesters have something to look forward to, they get themselves in these predicaments but always bounce back from them and they understand that life means something even if it hurts sometimes. For Castiel, it's completely and utterly foreign since Heaven and following orders is all he's known. He knows the consequences and just simply CANNOT understand why Dean would want to stay and fight for a world where violence and destruction and pain happen everyday, where it never stops (going back to BSG paralleling, "mankind's true nature will always assert itself" and that humans are "masters at self-destruction" I CAN'T HELP MYSELF OKIES!)

Sure, Castiel has served in the name of the Lord and even loves the Lord, but that's following on blind faith. He's never experienced the pure raw emotion of love until most recently with his obvious love for Dean, and I'm sure he finds it wonderful but it also scares him because it's unheard of. He even got punished for it. Oh, Castiel bb. My heart breaks for you. :((((

I think you have the most epic ideas for season five out of anyone I've seen on my flist, which is exactly why I think Kripke will go this way. I used to be all "but if season four is about the apocalypse, what could season five possibly be about to top that?" And this? You've just answered that question, oh my god, I fucking love you.

Awww. *blushes* Thank you bb. ♥ Sometimes I can't stop my brain from analyzing these things and thinking ahead. In fact once I figured things out midway this season (which I was proven right! Huzzah!) all this just seems so natural to go in that direction, amirite?

Me too, now that I think of it. It would be pretty boring not having Lucifer down there, like paradise on earth. Which is a bad thing, in SPN.

Definitely a bad thing. It's like creating a utopian vision which ultimately will backfire, and judging from what has been planned the angels want the majority (if not all) of humanity to be destroyed if only this Apocalypse can defeat Lucifer and they can finally take over this land that their Father had created. As we know some angels are jealous of and even detest humanity. It's like connecting the Cylons destroying humanity to create their own lives on the Twelve Colonies; purifying the "flawed creations" and having them being the perfect, more superior creations.

My theory is that Castiel only turned his head so Dean wouldn't break his hand. ♥

Heehe, definitely seemed that way as I look back at that scene. XD I still love how Castiel looks unfazed by it and Dean turns around like he doesn't want Castiel to see how his hand really hurts, lol.



Beth, just Bethsecondstar on May 18th, 2009 07:01 am (UTC)
the style of the room was baroque :D


LMFAO. I had more to say but that stood out to me srsly.

you can tell because of the bombe shaped table and all the gold shit LMFAO. ugly as fuck. LOL as my professor used to say "this is just ugly and ugh. I hate it" LMFAOOO OH BOB.
Renée: BSG. OMGLULZ.rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 07:14 am (UTC)
LOL SRSLY, out of all my EPIC META that I'd written that's what stood out? XD You crack me up.

My initial thought was Victorian but I knew it wasn't correct. So thank you for telling me this, and I just looked it up and I quite like that style. Very fancy and prim. I don't think bombe tables are ugly, actually, looking at some of the pictures. They have this unique style to them that, in the right setting, work very well. Idk. Call me weird or whatever.
Beth, just Beth: bbt// sheldon | must cleanse air!secondstar on May 18th, 2009 04:58 pm (UTC)
LMFAO NO IT ISNT but it was 3am and I was like... I need to tell her this. I only read half before I fell asleep. I am coming back later!

All I want to say right now is I am glad Dean didnt eat or drink in the angel room. MINDTRICKERY FOOD
Renée: Cylons. By your command!rogueslayer452 on May 18th, 2009 05:45 pm (UTC)
LOL girl you're hilarious. XD

forwardish: SPN Castiel prettyforwardish on May 19th, 2009 06:02 am (UTC)

I pretty much have nothing coherent to say about this episode besides the fact that DEAN TOTALLY WATCHES THE DISNEY CHANNEL!
Renée: MISHA COLLINS BITCHES!rogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 06:57 am (UTC)