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18 May 2009 @ 10:56 am
Heads you live, tails you die.  
The FOX upfronts are in: Dollhouse is indeed renewed while Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles gets canceled. The latter sucks and is depressing of course, I loved the show, but definitely not surprising. See, I would've loved it if they had renewed both shows, but that prospect is unrealistic by FOX standards. It was already a miracle that they renewed Dollhouse, which I am very grateful of, so the hard reality is one of them would have to be sacrificed. As much as I would've loved TSCC to have continued they seemed to have wrapped up the second season (and series overall) pretty nicely which is a rarity for some shows to have a full-circle completion, and if there's to be an expansion to that universe I would suggest either a minimovie or miniseries on another network, or direct-to-DVD or whatever. Never give up hope for alternative backups to continue to story.

But the hilarious thing? There seems to be some animosity between TSCC fans and DH fans, competing whether which show should be saved more than the other, and it seems some TSCC fans are bashing DH because of them getting canceled. Um, hey people? Both shows were victims of the FOX Friday deathslot and both suffered rating losses. We were all in the same boat here, if anything we should've all been helping each other than going on the "mine is better than yours" train. C'mon now, be mature folks.

Though why in everything that is holy is FOX allowing two comedy shows to be the lead-ins for Dollhouse? How much sense is that making, huh?

For more information, here's the article which details the decisions, shifts and changes we're to expect for its second season, and what Joss Whedon has to say regarding it.
 
 
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The Proverbial Bull in a China Shop...: Foxs next victimssabaceanbabe on May 18th, 2009 07:05 pm (UTC)
If they could have only one of them (and I'm not convinced that was the case, no matter what the idiots at FOX say), it makes sense to keep Dollhouse over TSCC simply because Fox got pretty much all the revenue from DH and only part of it from TSCC. I'm way more pissed at Kevin Reilly's dumbass comments about how they tried to save it, which is patently ridiculous. But TSCC fans bashing DH fans? Is that really necessary? I mean, come on. There, but for the grace of God, and all that.

But that could explain why I'm feeling so at odds with myself lately... ;)

ETA: I just got an email from a friend at work worried that the sitcom lead-in is an indication of Dollhouse's new creative direction. *headdesk*

Edited at 2009-05-18 07:06 pm (UTC)
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
It definitely does make sense. I already stated this some time ago, but if there was any series they would have to choose between to get renewed Dollhouse would've been preferred. It's shiny and new, while TSCC is brilliant too we already know of the mythology from the films. I loved the show but that already had two seasons, DH needed more episodes to at least show off its potential more to viewers, so yeah.

The haters should just stfu because their arguments and wankings are so ridiculous and stupid.

I just got an email from a friend at work worried that the sitcom lead-in is an indication of Dollhouse's new creative direction. *headdesk*

Wow. Really? But of course, controlling people via human trafficking is totes high-larious stuff, didn'tcha know? *rolls eyes*
Mmfirefly10 on May 18th, 2009 07:38 pm (UTC)
The comedy lead-in sucks. Let's just put that right out there. HOWEVER...the upside would be if DH does significantly BETTER than the shows before it, something that should be fairly easy to acheive.

It sucks FOX didn't pick up TSCC this year but they did give it a season more than I thought they would. And as much as I enjoyed the show, things got kinda crazy in the second season and I think the show lost almost all of its casual viewers. Plus, it cost a LOT of money to make and I don't think they would've been able to make TSCC on the kind of budget Joss is going to make DH on. Just wouldn't have been possible.

SO...yeah, it sucks...but at least one of them will come back. And ITA about TSCC fans not bashing DH fans, mostly cause we'd be bashing ourselves and our close friends. Unlike Til Death, there really WAS a lot of crossover in the DH/TSCC fan-bases.
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 02:53 am (UTC)
That would be an upside, though if people were dwindling away from Dollhouse before, by the standardized ratings not DVR, how would they consider going from comedy to a scifi/drama with deep philosophical messages? Idk.

Yeah, we have to give props for FOX for at least adding another season onto TSCC, because really most people thought it wouldn't get another season. Much like they thought Dollhouse wasn't going to get that far, either. Two seasons is something to be proud of having, since FOX canceled Firefly midway through its run, and most other shows as well. So we should be grateful not only did they greenlight the series but kept it around for two seasons. Sucks that it was axed, but that's the way this business works unfortunately.
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Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 01:00 am (UTC)
The finale was kind of a completion of everything that happened over the two seasons. I mean, as much as I would love another season or whatever I think the finale pretty much did a nice job of wrapping everything up, but definitely leaving the door open for more possibilities of exploration.

I'm ecstatic about Dollhouse, excited where they may take the show and because this is a Joss Whedon show you KNOW there will be awesomeness abound.

I'm not entirely that worried, because having it being renewed was a miracle enough. FOX seems to have faith in the series and in Joss's creative mind -- and Joss seems incredibly calm all things considered -- if anything, we should be grateful that the new FOX execs are really reeling for a second season. That's a step up from their Firefly days, for sure.
Cael: Dollhouse: Do you trust me?syxstring on May 18th, 2009 10:01 pm (UTC)
I'm not surprised by the TSCC cancellation, it sucks for the fans - but I think everyone in their heart of hearts saw it coming.
But for Dollhouse fans and TSCC fans to be fighting? Come on now? That's just ridiculous.
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 12:55 am (UTC)
It's depressing that it was canceled and it was predicted it wouldn't get picked up even before it was announced today? I mean some thought the same thing about Dollhouse and yet that was picked up. Strange.

Yeah, it's fandom versus fandom and that's just stupid. Can't we all just get along? Seriously.
♛ part-time maenad: fox network; frak you.radon_ on May 19th, 2009 05:27 am (UTC)
I wish they wouldn't fight about it - it's not really an either/or situation, I mean, Fox didn't stipulate that they had x number of shows they wanted to renew and there was only one slot left and it was either DH or TSCC. Wouldn't it be win-win if both shows were renewed? Jeez. (everytime I see DH I think 'Desperate Housewives' instead of 'Dollhouse'. eek)

Though why in everything that is holy is FOX allowing two comedy shows to be the lead-ins for Dollhouse? How much sense is that making, huh?
Uh, to make sure viewers don't commit suicide by keeping them happy and laughing before the supposed DOOM DOOM GLOOM that is Dollhouse? idek. It's Fox after all. Nothing they do really make sense.
Renée: Echo; dealing with srs bznz.rogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 07:11 am (UTC)
I don't get it either, it's like why the hostility? We're all in the same struggle, suffering the same FOX treatment. At least we can do is support one another when something like this is happening. Of course perhaps I love both DH and TSCC so I don't see the need for fighting over which is better?

Uh, to make sure viewers don't commit suicide by keeping them happy and laughing before the supposed DOOM DOOM GLOOM that is Dollhouse? idek. It's Fox after all. Nothing they do really make sense

Dude, if that were true, I would've been ded already when I had SPN, TSCC, Dollhouse and BSG to watch one right after the other. ANGST LIKE WHOA RIGHT THAR, MY BRAINS SHOULD BE S'PLODED FROM ALL THAT DOOM AND GLOOM. So yeah, I know I can survive all that depression and major thinky stuff.
Chinook McMutton Z: BSG - Starbuckczgoldedition on May 19th, 2009 07:14 am (UTC)
Oooh, Dollhouse and BSG back-to-back pretty much used to make my Friday nights the best part of the week. Sigh, BSG, how I miss you!
Chinook McMutton Z: Dollhouse - DeWitt 8)czgoldedition on May 19th, 2009 07:13 am (UTC)
I'm bummed about TSCC but if I personally had to pick one, it would have been Dollhouse anyway. I'm counting my lucky stars that we got that much and am excited to see where the show will go from here. :)
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 06:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and in a sense we already know what's going to happen with John Connor because of the Terminator films; the show followed a different kind of timeline and it was more of taking another glimpse of the "what if" of that universe, but still we kinda know where things are going from that. Dollhouse is all new and shiny, with many possibilities and places to go that it's all endless, and after the last several episodes things had gotten really intriguing that it needs another season to continue with that story.

Both shows did end on a strong conclusive note to certain things, but overall yes, DH deserves a bit more exploration. It's Joss Whedon for goodness sakes, he's unpredictable in his work. We have no idea what's going on inside that creative genius mind of his. ;D
M: DH Boyd do you trust me?spankulert on May 19th, 2009 09:19 am (UTC)
Yeah, I came across some SCC bashing on a thread to help get Dollhouse renewed. People do know how to stay classy.

Regarding SCC, I'm still clinging to the hope that it'll get picked up by SciFi.
Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on May 19th, 2009 06:19 pm (UTC)
Oy, can't people just get along? Srsly. Classy fandom is so totally classy.

It might, you never know. Anything is possible.