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12 August 2009 @ 05:50 pm
SPN REWATCH 4.01 "LAZARUS RISING"  
The beginnings of my S4 rewatch. Instead of just watching every single one, I've decided to go for some of my favorite episodes which I feel are pretty significant to the season and to the main plot overall. With these, knowing the outcome of the season, I'll be looking back at at do some retrospective meta that will be in preparation for the fifth season (which begins in like what, four weeks from now omgwhut!). Starting off with "Lazarus Rising", the kickass premiere to an amazing season.

And yes, plenty of Castiel and Dean/Castiel gushing are included, of course. ♥


Seeing it again makes me realize there are a lot of things that were setup for the rest of the season, things that when looking back in hindsight you can understand that “oh yeah, this is where they were going with it all.” Much like how when you look back at the entire series, everything was placed for a reason, there has been some kind of string attached all along.

First of all, the allusion of the episode title pretty much sets up more significance to not only the episode but the season overall, referring to Lazarus of Bethany, a biblical story told in the Gospel of John in the New Testament, in which Jesus resurrection Lazarus.
“I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet he shall live: And whoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.”
Watching Dean rise from the ground – still wearing his clothes, mind you, being it a reference to the Lazarus story (and highly doubtful they would have him be naked when crawling out from his grave) – is still the most effective opening. They didn’t waste any time with bringing him back at all, and I liked that. The nearly silent way they opened it too, the first several minutes with him not really saying much aside from two lines. That was brilliant, because really there was no need for him to say anything else. The silence and just watching him walking about, grabbing things like water and food (and his porn) was all we needed to know that this is Dean Winchester, back and ready to rock and roll on out of there. It’s also very realistic after being in the ground for four months (and to him it would’ve seemed much longer than that) he would have to go for water immediately and to nourish his body.

Then of course, the first appearance by Castiel – without realizing it’s Castiel at the time, just knowing something really fucking weird was going on. I loved the high pitched voltage of noise and the glass shattering, definitely a moment of WTF, but in a good way.

Also want to make note of the location in the opening scene, the trees which are bent back in every which way, as Dean mentions it’s like a nuclear bomb went off. Directly where he was lay to rest, where he was resurrected. It makes you wonder exactly how cosmic was his resurrection and exactly how it was possible.

Watching Dean and Bobby is all sorts of fun, and Bobby reacting to him is just so natural after being dead for four months. The holy water in the face was simply priceless.

Something I’ve always wondered, how come Ruby didn’t react to Dean? Aside from the reason that it would have given away that she was, in fact, Ruby to begin with, wouldn’t it have at least brought some things into question that she didn’t even blink an eye when she first saw him? Unless, given what we learn about her true intentions later on, she already knew about Dean’s return and was only playing her part.

Now...Genevieve Courtese. You know, when I heard she was going to be cast in the show I honestly was anticipating what character she would be playing. I’d seen her previously in Wildfire and thought she was good, so I really wasn’t at all complaining about her being in the show. Seeing her as “Kristy” in the beginning I was looking forward to more of her as that “character”, unfortunately once realizing she was actually Ruby playing her part it was more of an “oh…” moment for me. I did give her a chance, though, in the next few episodes to prove that she was capable of carrying on the role previously portrayed by Katie because, let’s face it, it is hard to fill in those shoes when a previous actress already created the character. But she didn’t improve at all as the season progressed. To be perfectly honest, even though it was a ploy I would have much preferred if Genevieve actually stayed this “Kristy” persona instead of Ruby. Because when she was being Kristy at least she had that sweet and genuine modesty about her, however playing a demonic character? Definitely not within her range of acting, and she didn’t even try to become what Katie created and molded the character to be, which was the major downfall along with the watered down storyline and writing.

Oh well, sorry Genevieve for all the hate fandom has given you. Though honestly, you were not the Ruby I knew and loved the previous season, which is why I didn’t care for your performance. Better luck in whatever else you’re doing.

Although we were given probably the most and only awesome recurring female character introduced this season: Pamela Barnes. She was ultimately cool from the moment we see her, unapologetically flirtatious but also with the serious business. The scene with her, Bobby and the boys doing the séance was chilling, and still is, especially after her eyes are burned from her eye sockets. Yeesh.

I do think she should have listened though, since Castiel did give his warning of not looking upon his true form. It makes me wonder though, being a psychic shouldn’t she have at least gotten a sense she was messing with a celestial being? Something otherworldly that isn’t demonic or evil? I don’t know, I just think her bitterness on the angels is partially her own fault, but nevertheless she’s still awesome.

Demonic Waitress Seelix! Supernatural should get more BSG alumni to guest star, though it seems that Dollhouse has become that refuge now.

The introduction of Castiel is still epic as fucking hell. *___*

It’s hilarious looking back at everyone else’s initial reactions to Castiel, questioning whether he truly was an angel or whether he was good or bad and all of the speculations and assumptions and whatnot. And hey, as fans we know that in this show anything is possible. This is also the premiere which once he was introduced everyone was freaking out because he was simply walking sex on a stick (which still is the description used because hot damn, is Misha Collins fine in that trench coat holy tax accountant getup – totally Constantine in that deliberate sense by Kripke, of course). I remember just being so impressed with how they did this, and fandom reacted so well to his onscreen presence, and rightfully so because he became the new beloved character of the show after this premiere.

Also, this was the premiere where me and my sister FREAKED THE FUCK OUT when we learned that they were FINALLY introducing angels and Heaven and the concept of faith in God and all these other religious and theological themes. I loved it then, and still love it now. It’s still amazing just rewatching the episode, I get chills just hearing not only the “I’m the one that gripped you tight and raised you from perdition”, but also the “I’m an angel of the Lord” line. Also, the shadowed-wings were, and still are, freaking awesome (shadowed people, not black) – it’s like, what more proof do you need? I was so thrilled with everything they introduced to that I was like “AHHH!” when the episode went to black. I wanted more, I wanted to know more about how they would handle the religious mythology into their own mythology, I wanted more of Castiel, if there would be more angels of the warrior kind, everything involving that aspect.

(If there’s anything I am intrigued with more, it’s theology, and angels with this bigger picture and God wanting Dean for something more, made so super excited and had me and my sister just geek out over it all – to the point where I was all over the Internets researching shit, it was totally fun!)

Oh, and remembering people’s reactions and complaints about religion taking over “their” show or having God being shoving it down their throats, is still hilarious because if they had actually paid attention to the series throughout, religious lore has always been part of the show’s own mythology – it’s just never been the primary focus until now. It makes perfect sense that they would go in this direction; to be honest I would’ve been disappointed if they hadn’t. But I’m overly happy that they did, and that they’ve done it respectfully and beautifully as far as I’m concerned.

And, can we talk about Castiel for a moment, particularly all the Dean/Castiel vibes from their first meeting alone? Because dayum!

Aside from his presence alone, Misha did a damn good job at creating this character simply by his body language and the way he spoke. He definitely seemed otherworldly and new to the mortal world just by the nuances of what he was doing; from his head tilting and frown he gives Dean with confusion to him idly flipping through Bobby’s spell book, even him looking down at his vessel with some amusement or intrigue with being able to possession a human (and in an extended scene him saying that it wasn’t easy finding a human vessel that could contain his true form, and I really wish they hadn’t cut that bit out because I think it was important to announce that angels couldn’t just possess anyone, unlike demons, but oh well). And Dean being so confused and a bit apprehensive, not truly knowing what this guy is, being not human or a demon or any other monstrous creature that he’s ever known, and is questioning him very doubtfully, as Dean Winchester would, of course.

But then, there’s that moment where things are all defined between the two:
Castiel: Good things do happen, Dean.
Dean: Not in my experience
Castiel: What’s the matter? You think you don’t deserve to be saved
Castiel can accept that Dean doesn’t believe or have faith, or even has the disbelief in angels and God and all of that. He clearly would like him to, but he understands he cannot force that. But what he cannot understand or even begin to comprehend is Dean not accepting that he deserved to be saved, deserved a second chance at life, that he has nothing to be ashamed of. That simple line, along with his gazing look at Dean, means that he is so confused and stunned why such a human, a human that has done great things, sacrificed himself so selflessly, would ever feel the need to punish himself and think he was unworthy of living once more.

It’s so touching and amazing, just from that one moment in that final scene. From Dean’s front to Castiel’s perplexed expression, so perfect and really sets off the dynamic of their relationship straight off the bat. I loved it. It also spoke volumes with Jensen and Misha reflecting off each other, which we see that sizzling chemistry repeatedly throughout the season, from this premiere to the finale.

From what the lackluster season three had been, this premiere really amped ups the mythological aspect of the show. They wasted no time in getting right down to business, and I mightily approve of it. This was such a fantastic premiere and the beginning to an epic season, without a doubt.


MOAR OF THESE BBS, Y/Y?
 
 
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a child dizzy on lemonadefalsebeginnings on August 13th, 2009 01:40 am (UTC)
YES, MORE.

I love how the first few minutes of the show was Jensen just acting, he didn't have to talk but he pulled off everything with just his facial expressions. And of course, Castiel's intro is still epic even if I've seen it many times. The chemistry between those two was so obvious and so intense, I swear the first time I saw this episode I was like, "Damn, this angel dude seems to have a thing for Dean. He better be in more episodes.", now I squee like a 12 year old girl when those two are in the same room together. Your rewatch just made me even more excited for Season 5. The show needs to come back soon!
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Peaceful.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 01:54 am (UTC)
\O/

It was certainly a smart choice for a season opener. We already knew that Jensen was a fine actor but actually seeing him act with only his facial expressions and reactions? It magnifies his acting by ten times. Amazing.

Immediately I knew once Castiel was introduced fandom was going to go hogwild over the amount of chemistry there was between him and Dean. I just remember being not only interested because he was damn good-looking, but the man could act and he was so curious and interesting and calculating, and the way he actually got Dean from the moment he met him with that line of "you think you don't deserve to be saved." That floors me just hearing it, and watching his expression, his blue eyes widening in realization about how Dean feels about himself. So perfect, those two together. Couldn't have asked for a better actor than Misha Collins. :)

Hee, thank you bb. There will be more coming soon! :DD
bullet to the beast: [SPN] Look at Methevinegarworks on August 13th, 2009 02:45 am (UTC)
MOAR.

The you don't think you deserve to be saved line still gives me chills. I think it's absolutely fucking amazing, and really says something about the special bond Dean and Castiel have (whether you want to look at that in a slashy way or not, it's still undeniable - I myself, of course, see it as slashy because HOW COULD YOU NOT OMFG SRSLY). The fact that within two minutes of ever meeting him, Castiel has Dean so completely figured out, when Dean is very practiced and masterful at dodging conversations/feelings he doesn't want to have/acknowledge, just blows me out of the water. How he can have Dean so completely figured out just from that initial meeting alone - gah.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's enough of a dork for theology that I started freaking the hell out when they finally brought these themes onto Show. I went in completely unspoiled for the season, and as soon as I saw this ep I was like "FFFFFFFFF THIS IS SO AWESOME I'VE BEEN WAITING MY WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS." I love shows that explore theology without getting preachy, and SPN has managed not to get preachy or biased at all in any way. The only other show I've ever seen pull that off as beautifully is Carnivale, which never ever should have been canceled, but that's a conversation for another time. ;)

How fucking awesome is Misha? I mean seriously. He made that episode. As much as I lovelovelove the boys, being the OGs and all, when Misha came onto the screen I was like "OH HAI THERE, YOU HOT MOTHERFUCKER, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?" and was instantly just hooked. My jaw was on the floor, and not just because of his immense and irrational hotness - he has such a presence that it's just mind-blowing. Kudos to Monsieur Collins for pulling off such a complex character so very very well. \o/

Ah, Genevieve. I don't think she deserved near the "OMG HORRIBLE ACTRESS" hate that was going around fandom, but she definitely wasn't Katie Cassidy by a longshot. Her mannerisms were all different and she didn't even feel like she was supposed to be the same character. There was no sense of recognition there; I felt like she was an entirely new character that slipped into the cracks between seasons. Meh.

I LOVE METAS, BB. Keep 'em coming. I'm thinking of doing a rewatch too, since summer semester's almost over! Oooo we can meta together. ;)
Renée: Dean/Castiel.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 04:42 am (UTC)
The fact that within two minutes of ever meeting him, Castiel has Dean so completely figured out, when Dean is very practiced and masterful at dodging conversations/feelings he doesn't want to have/acknowledge, just blows me out of the water.

OMGOSH THIS SO MUCH.

I love shows that explore theology without getting preachy, and SPN has managed not to get preachy or biased at all in any way.

Exactly, and how they've been dealing with it on the show, making it part of the mythology in and of itself, is absolutely perfect. It fits right in and I was ecstatic the more we were learning about how it all ties in together with the bigger picture of things. They've handled the entire aspect of religion so well in that non-preachy kinda way, it definitely makes you want to know more and in which direction they're heading towards with it all.

Oh God, Carnivale! Yes, I completely agree, that is yet another show that incorporated the religious aspect so beautifully and in sync with their own mythology. there should be SPN/Carnivale crossovers, I swear

when Misha came onto the screen I was like "OH HAI THERE, YOU HOT MOTHERFUCKER, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?" and was instantly just hooked.

SAME! I don't think I was ever captivated by a new character before, and it was just that one scene he appeared in that makes all the difference. Misha just has this presence that is undeniable, and in that recent interview with Jensen and his initial reaction to Misha's acting in that scene? He totally didn't know what to make of it either, which I think is awesome because that proves just how amazing Misha is when becoming a specific character. And we love him for it and DO NOT regret praising him for his performance and getting him to be a cast regular. :D

Yeah, it felt like there were two Ruby's on the show. The first being incredibly kickass and sassy and bitchy and snarky, and everything else I loved about the character when she was first introduced. The second being so watered down, losing all sorts of snappy personality altogether. I mean, I know it's not really Genevieve's fault but at the same time, she didn't even TRY to get Katie's mannerisms which made the character in the first place. So, all my love for Ruby was just gone. And it went directly to Castiel, apparently, which I am not complaining at all. But it is sad nonetheless that they kinda ruined the character for me.

I LOVE METAS, BB. Keep 'em coming. I'm thinking of doing a rewatch too, since summer semester's almost over! Oooo we can meta together. ;)

WE CAN TOTES META TOGETHER, BB! :DDDD I need something to do to distract myself before the new season, and also metas are fun!
srs bsns: big brother is watching youibroketuesday on August 13th, 2009 06:31 am (UTC)
You make me wanna rewatch 4x01. :D

That simple line, along with his gazing look at Dean, means that he is so confused and stunned why such a human, a human that has done great things, sacrificed himself so selflessly, would ever feel the need to punish himself and think he was unworthy of living once more.

Hmm... in retrospect, I think that line signifies Castiel's faith in Dean as the righteous man, rather than how well he already knows Dean. At this point, Castiel respects Dean because heaven told him to, and it's as he gets to know Dean in a deeper way, beyond the label prophecy slapped on, that he begins to doubt his orders and his superiors. Later, Castiel begins to love Dean for Dean, instead of simply value him as heaven's champion. That transition is important, so I interpret this scene differently; Castiel is shocked that the righteous man is not aware of his own righteousness, not that Dean doesn't know what a good person he is.
Renée: Castiel. Harp.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 06:51 am (UTC)
I'd say that's a good sign. :D I never realized how much I adored this episode until I rewatched it.

Later, Castiel begins to love Dean for Dean, instead of simply value him as heaven's champion.

You may have a point there, about the righteous man versus Dean Winchester as he is and Castiel learning more about him as time goes on. It really makes sense as the season progresses the way Castiel does warm up to Dean, how he manages to not look at him not just as a human charge but rather as Dean for himself. Huh, interesting, and beautifully put too.
The Large Purple Weed: Cas needs a hug!tracy on August 13th, 2009 11:17 pm (UTC)
I think that line signifies Castiel's faith in Dean as the righteous man, rather than how well he already knows Dean.

I dunno, man, I kind of feel like he really did understand something crucial about Dean here. The "good things do happen / not in my experience" exchange right before this would seem to anyone else like Dean's just suspicious because there's always a catch, but Castiel could see deeper than that. Could see that Dean was suspicious because there's always a catch because he doesn't deserve better.

Castiel is shocked that the righteous man is not aware of his own righteousness, not that Dean doesn't know what a good person he is.

Isn't not being aware of his own righteousness more or less the same as not being aware of what a good person he is? You lost me. :P ETA: NEVERMIND, I get it, I get it, the whole "righteous man" vs "Dean" delineation. Okay. But I think everything else I said still stands.

But I think I see what you're getting at because I'm sure we've talked about this before, how Castiel thinks Dean is this awesome, awesome person, as evidenced by the fact that he tried not once, but twice, to speak to him in his true voice. But I think that only emphasizes how amazing it was that he could see Dean's self-worth issues, because it's amazing that it even occurred to him that anyone could think Dean unworthy. He could easily have chalked Dean's reluctance to believe him up to more faithlessness, and that would have made sense, but he saw more there.

Fuckin' tired, sorry for html fail.

Edited at 2009-08-13 11:33 pm (UTC)
srs bsns: castiel deanibroketuesday on August 13th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
I kind of feel like he really did understand something crucial about Dean here.

Oh, I agree; Castiel had an important insight into Dean. As we know, he can see into Dean's soul. Still, I don't think he understood enough about him then to make his belief that Dean deserved to be saved personal.

Isn't not being aware of his own righteousness more or less the same as not being aware of what a good person he is?

That's not what I said - or not what I meant to say, anyway. XD Anyone could be the righteous man. John qualified when he went to hell, he just never broke, so the prophecy never came true for him. Dean's identity as the righteous man, in Castiel's eyes in those early episodes, had very little to do with Dean. It's a job description or a single characteristic, sort of like saying someone is a baker or loves children, and you can respect them for that, but it doesn't mean you know them as a person. I think that when Castiel expressed surprise, it was that someone he'd been told was the pinnacle of righteousness, God's chosen hero, was unaware of his own worth. It wasn't about Dean, the man Castiel later came to value as a person, who challenged him and made him question and think for himself and feel for the first time and always follows his own moral compass even when angels are telling him to go the other way, thinking he didn't deserve to be pulled from hell.
The Large Purple Weed: Dean/Castiel eyefuckingtracy on August 13th, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
I don't think he understood enough about him then to make his belief that Dean deserved to be saved personal.

Sure, this I agree with. It wasn't personal at all. Like taking apart an engine and seeing how it works, and in fact I think it's that distance that allowed him to see what Sam couldn't. I don't think rogueslayer452 was implying it was personal, necessarily, just that there was some sort of amazing understanding, and you seemed to be disagreeing, so I disagreed, but possibly we're all just talking in circles. :D

Hahahha yes, I realized all the rest of what you meant after I ate a cookie. *facepalm*
srs bsns: castiel dean i swearibroketuesday on August 13th, 2009 11:54 pm (UTC)
Oh, no, I agree that there was an amazing understanding, just disagreeing that it was personal right off the bat.
The Large Purple Weed: *hearts*tracy on August 13th, 2009 11:56 pm (UTC)
lolol I AGREE, then.
srs bsns: castiel crony poniesibroketuesday on August 13th, 2009 11:59 pm (UTC)
CHEERS THEN, MATE.

Also, I just came across this:

Already I don't get Dean/Castiel. It's not Castiel. Its a vessel. So. No matter what you're shipping a threesome, not just Dean and Castiel. WTF.

But she ships Anna/Castiel, lolol hypocrisy
The Large Purple Weed: Dean is facepalmy.tracy on August 14th, 2009 12:01 am (UTC)
LOL wtf, call her out on it. Or better yet, go write your goddamned fic.
LadyPandora16ladypandora16 on August 13th, 2009 09:44 pm (UTC)
I have only seen the first episode of the fourth season (woe!) and I am waiting on the edge of my seat for the DVDs to be released. One episode and I am completely and totally in love with Castiel. Misha's rather gorgeous (understatement, yeah?) and I felt like he carried himself like something otherworldly. He just brought the character to life and I was hooked from the start. As for Castiel/Dean... Love it. Again, one episode and I could easily see their was something between them. Oh, my slasher's brain. lol

Also, I idea of a Supernatural/Carnivale crossover is brilliant! Carnivale was wonderful and it's a shame it was cancelled. It'd also be amusing to see a Supernatural/Good Omens crossover. =)
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Peaceful.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 10:05 pm (UTC)
Wow, you've only seen one episode? You're way more patient than I am about waiting for the DVDs (despite having all the episodes downloaded onto my hard drive, heh). You'll be in for a lovely surprise bb, believe me. But yes, Misha completely captivated my since this episode. Not that I'm surprised, looking at his previous works he has a way of becoming a character that seems utterly flawless. He got right into the character's headspace and just went with it, and kept with it, and it just WORKS. So brilliant.

Oh believe me, there are so many Dean/Castiel moments in this season your screen will almost explode. Srsly.

OMGIKR? I loved Carnivale, such an amazing and brilliant show. And I'm loling at a Good Omens crossover, which is actually kinda epic if you think about it. :D
LadyPandora16: Sirius/Remus nose touchladypandora16 on August 13th, 2009 11:13 pm (UTC)
Mmhm and I hate waiting! lol It's torture! I can't wait to see the whole season. Supernatural has improved with every season and I'm really looking forward to this one. Especially the nearly exploding from Dean/Castiel-ness. =D

Carnivale was beautiful and creepy and sad and scary alll at the same time. I loved it for that. Really breaks my heart that we didn't get to see the whole story play out.

Haha! Can you imagine? Castiel meets Aziraphale! Sam and Dean meet Crowley! Oh, the silliness that would ensure! =D
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 11:30 pm (UTC)
It really does get better, I agree, and the fourth season really amps everything up with the plot and mytharc, it's truly epic shit. I think with all the introductions that expanding to the mythology and how the Winchesters are involving has made me more interested how things are going to go down. Not going to spoil you though, you'll have to wait and see. ;)

It was a beautiful show, indeed. I love those kinds of good vs. evil kinds of stories, and it really was something special and I was sad that they never wrapped it up properly.
LadyPandora16: Girl with fox maskladypandora16 on August 16th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
Hahaha You tease!! =D I can't wait to see it.
srs bsnsibroketuesday on August 13th, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
I want to second rogueslayer452; if you think Dean/Castiel is epic now...
LadyPandora16ladypandora16 on August 16th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
I can't wait! =D
kitchensexslavekitchensexslave on August 13th, 2009 10:10 pm (UTC)
*EPIC FANGIRL FLAIL*

I can tell I'm going to really enjoy these!

That first scene between Dean and Castiel is so fantastic, setting Castiel up as such an otherworldly character in a way I don't think the show has managed to do before or since, and yet so absolutely lovable - not to mention slashable *cough*

I'm with you on the inclusion of religious lore - it wasn't shocking since the whole show has been playing with, well, the supernatural, and it's been shown time and again that all kinds of legends are based on actual nasties. Therefore, it doesn't seem like a jump to me for angels to be real in the SPN-verse. It's also fantastic that they're proper Biblical, scary angels - like Misha has said, read the Bible! Angels are destructive.

It's funny that some people think it's "religion being forced down their throats" - to me it shows remarkable balance, with the negative aspects of religion clearly demonstrated and the possibility always left that while there are angels, there is still no God. Hell, I'm a card-carrying atheist and I don't mind at all! I don't mind the more overtly deist BSG - I love it! Not believing in religion/God doesn't mean you can't enjoy the ideas.
Renée: Six. Satisfied.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
:DDDD

The show couldn't have asked for a better actor than Misha Collins, seriously. I know I very much flaunt my Misha love but in terms of professionalism and presence in his acting and performance, it just fits so perfectly for this show. He managed to make us love his character from the moment he appeared, and it was just amazing.

Therefore, it doesn't seem like a jump to me for angels to be real in the SPN-verse. It's also fantastic that they're proper Biblical, scary angels - like Misha has said, read the Bible! Angels are destructive.

I agree, and the fact that they're going for the fiercest of the angelical beings and not just the fluffy white-winged creatures with halos and whatnot makes me appreciate the kinds of research they're placing into it. And the further we get into the mytharc the more that appreciation grows (except for the whole grace-in-a-bottle nonsense, I still cringe and laugh at that because wtf?) Angels are warriors of God, as Castiel says in the next episode, and should be illustrated as such and I think the show does that perfectly.

The proper introduction of angels and even religious aspects was something I've been wanting the show to do since the beginning. I mean, we've had them questioning it (in "Faith" and in "Houses of the Holy", for example) and have had the forces of evil being around for the longest of time, what more perfect time to introduce such concepts like Heaven and angels than now? Especially since it fits perfectly with that they have setup.

to me it shows remarkable balance, with the negative aspects of religion clearly demonstrated and the possibility always left that while there are angels, there is still no God.

Precisely. To have that balance means the show is doing exactly what I've imagined it doing, since the show does focus on good versus evil, this is classic storytelling and brilliant that they would go in that direction. It's epic. They're not shoving anything down our throats, in fact it's quite the opposite. They're making us think about the possibilities. I mean, having angels like Castiel who are beginning to question their faith and their mission, even perhaps the existence of God Himself, is an interesting take. To have a mixture of doubt and learning of humanity, of what is morally right and wrong even in times of war....it does remind me of BSG in that sense the angels are Cylons, trufax!

I do understand some people's concerns about religion being featured in their shows, sometimes it's about how it'll be handled. But so far they've handled it pretty nicely. I'm more concerned about those that think religion being present is going to change how their show used to be. It isn't. In fact, it's funny since Supernatural has dealt with many other religious lore before and the only one some are complaining about is the one that has biblical references. Which to me is a bit hypocritical, but whatever. I mean yeah, even if you aren't religious the lessons learned here is about faith and belief; not necessarily in a religion or God, but in something that carries you through life.

It's about the progression of the story, and it just seems natural they would have it go in this direction. I mean, in hindsight everything comes together so well that it would've been impossible to have anything else.

OMG, I am totally rambling now, lol! But yes, there will be more of this meta and theological talk when I get into more of the episodes.
kitchensexslavekitchensexslave on August 13th, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
Your ramblings are always so interesting and thought-provoking though, don't stop!

I hereby theorise that what makes the suitable vessels suitable is that they are direct descendants of the Cylons. This is trufax y/y?
Renée: Cylons. By your command!rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
Awww, thank you bb. ♥

OMG YESYESYES TOTES TRUFAX! That would explain a lot, actually. ;D
kitchensexslavekitchensexslave on August 13th, 2009 11:33 pm (UTC)
If Jimmy Novak were descended from a number six it would go a long way to explaining his ridiculous prettiness.
Renée: Six. Relaxation.rogueslayer452 on August 13th, 2009 11:37 pm (UTC)
Oh man, this places my Six/Castiel pairing on a whole new level now...
kitchensexslavekitchensexslave on August 14th, 2009 08:48 am (UTC)
It certainly does! I actually do think it's possible that the suitable vessels are descendants of the nephilim.