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20 August 2009 @ 03:11 pm
SPN REWATCH 4.02 "ARE YOU THERE GOD?...."  
WHAT IS THIS, MOAR REWATCHING? YOU DON'T SAY! More with the reflective meta, and I kinda get rambly about Dean and Castiel a bit towards the end as usual, so beware.

Supernatural Rewatch 4.02 - "Are You There God? It's Me, Dean Winchester"

The titles of the episodes this season are much to be appreciated, just making note of that.

One thing I appreciated in this episode aside from the spirits of the Witnesses was that there were other hunters in the Supernatural universe. We were given note with it last season with Tamara and Isaac, Gordon and the retired hunter Rufus, though not much more than that (which I’m hoping will change with the fifth season, it would seem rather unfortunate to not involve more hunters into the fight). Just seeing that there were other hunters the boys didn’t know, and which Bobby did, getting killed was nice to see. Not that seeing them dead was nice, just the way it says they aren’t the only ones seen. It makes me wish the Roadhouse still remained intact, because that brought all hunters together in one place, making for nice refuge and information ground.

Just something I like seeing, and really want to see more of in the future.

Second episode of the season and mentioning of the Apocalypse and the Seals, they didn’t waste time getting things up and running, and I love that. I admit to squeeing like a mofo when Book of Revelation was mentioned, and then the furthering talk about it towards the end with Castiel giving more information, but more about that in a moment.

It’s interesting that there’s Rising of the Witnesses, one of the Sixty-Six Seals, being unleashed upon the hunters. It makes you wonder how many hunters had caught on to what was happening to survive. It also makes you wonder about the other Seals that had been broken since Dean had first broke the first Seal (and when, precisely, was that in real time instead of Hell time – but that will be for further discussion later). Either way, I liked how this introduction to the Seals was done, as in bringing back old faces again. Meg, Hendrickson and Ronald.

Though I am still vaguely confused. On one hand, I can understand a spirit being angry if something happened to them was unjust in a way, but it seems like these spirits were angry and generally pissed off at the Winchesters for things that was out of their hands. Meg was an unfortunate case, had they known she was possessed beforehand they would probably have saved her from being thrown out that window way back in season one. Hell, Dean had pushed to have the demon exorcised to save Meg despite the possibility that she would die because of those severe injuries – so on their behalf, it was a too late kind of deal. However Meg’s spirit was angry because they hadn’t gotten to her in time, which is slightly unfair considering that they had tried their best and she even thanked them for having the demon gone from inside of her and actually helped them in her last moments. I don’t know, I feel like there could at least have been something more of understanding – but angry spirits will be angry about those kinds of things, the “what ifs” and “could-have-beens” of situations which is probably why she blamed Dean and Sam. Same with Hendrickson and Ronald, wrong place at the wrong time, caught in the middle of something they weren’t prepared in getting involved with; hence the Witness part of the whole deal.

ETA: Apparently I had missed some vital information that the spell to raise the Witnesses essentially made them rapid, angrier than normal, to get back at the hunters. My bad for not paying attention to that bit, but that sometimes happens when I'm rewatching something and paying attention to other bits. Heh. Thanks to noybusiness for pointing this out to me.

It also rises the question of how much these spirits know about them – Hendrickson knew that Dean was saved and brought back from Hell, Meg knew of what Sam had been doing with Ruby. It makes you wonder if there’s gossip in the spirit world or just collective knowledge as time goes on. I only wished we could have gotten more backstory in regards to those two twin girl spirits haunting Bobby, which I can piece together what happened but it would actually be interesting than just the “he couldn’t save them in time” thing. Just saying, there may be more to that man than meets the eye.

Also, it would have been even more awesome had Jessica been present amongst the other Witnesses. Of course Adrianne Palicki wasn’t available due to schedule conflicts I’m presuming, which is understandable, though that would have been perfect. Getting underneath Sam’s skin, especially if she knew about Ruby. Could you imagine that confrontation?

The Panic Room is still an amazing creation; resourceful and productive, Bobby Singer continues to be awesome. Foreshadowing, too, for later episodes when they return to it.

Now, onward to the Apocalypse and the Book of Revelation.

I mentioned before that I enjoyed the introduction of theological themes in the show, and they didn’t skimp with it in this episode and really just gave us a taste for what is to come for the rest of the season. The start of this episode has Dean questioning whether Castiel truly is an angel or not, arguing with Sam because Sam believes in God and Heaven and in angels whereas Dean does not, something interesting which adds to Dean’s own development this season with his struggle of finding faith and belief. We then have them dealing with one of the Seals which they figure out how to place those spirits to rest, though unfortunately, as it is revealed as Castiel appears to Dean at the end of the episode, doesn’t change the fact that the Seal had been opened anyway.

I do admit I was very pleased and relieved to see Castiel on my screen again. I knew I was getting captivated by his character because being so earlier into the season he was drawing my attention more and more each time (though it’s very unfortunate that this was the episode that sprouting many of the “chapped lips” references in fanfics, which is very fucking annoying to see in every single fic I come across; is it Misha’s fault that he had to endure the climate changes in Canada? Sheesh people).

There’s no need to voice how much I loved the Dean and Castiel interaction in that ending scene. In a way, the title reference really does work – originally I had thought that if they were going to use that title play, it would have been better had Dean actually gone through some soul-searching, but looking at it now it works, particularly in context with his words and questions in this episode which does go with him actually contemplating the existence of higher celestial beings which, again, the beginnings of his development for the season.

But I think the moment that I loved from this entire episode is this bit from Castiel, which is the line that fully convinced me that I loved this new character completely:
"You think the armies of Heaven should just follow you around? There's a bigger picture here. You should show me some respect. I dragged you out of Hell, I can throw you back in."
From some viewpoints people thought Castiel was being too harsh on Dean or what he said was uncalled for. I beg to differ.

This is precisely what Dean needed to have to straighten up his attitude around this fierce being before him, to realize that he is, in fact, an angel and he has business to do that doesn't necessarily revolve around him and his brother all the time. In fact, when Castiel was trying to tell Dean that Heaven had tried to prevent Seals from being opened Dean actually rolled his eyes at him, scoffing at the angel. I don't think he intentionally meant to, but he seemed to have forgotten what kind of otherworldly being he was dealing with.

I mean, I love Dean to death but sometimes he inserts his foot into his mouth far too often, and in this case he pushed further than he should have and in my opinion, got what he deserved.

Castiel made it very clear that he and his brothers were out on the battlefield fighting other matters that fit into the bigger picture which seems to go over Dean’s head, and that is what made him frustrated. It actually makes me a bit frustrated sometimes because it feels like neither of the boys seems to understand that larger scheme of things, mainly where the Apocalypse is concerned. It affects everybody, not just them. Which is why Castiel has no obligation to be perching on anyone’s shoulder and stopping any kind of trouble that occurs there, like he mentioned. It was giving Dean a hardcore reality check that just because he was saved doesn’t mean he should use that as an excuse, or think that he’s that special to have angels behind his back the entire time. We learn more about that later, of the morality issues and conflictions within Heaven and their orders and true intentions, but I do think that, overall, this was something valuable to be learned.

Angels are fierce. They are dangerous badass motherfuckers who you do not want to mess with, being warriors and soldiers with jobs to do they will smite first and (probably) ask questions later. I truly do believe that Castiel, at this point making his second appearance, would have followed through with such a threat had he not begun to become personally affected and attached to his human charge, which I think starts around the next episode, "In The Beginning". In fact, when Castiel made that threat he was not only invading his personal space slash tinhat on y'all, like for real, he was also dangerously calm. Which is perhaps a nice way of going "respect my authority bitch, or suffer my wrath" in the most threatening manner possible. It also seems that Castiel was more into those kinds of threatening orders in the beginning than later on, because of his personal affections for Dean and therefore could not make them. Take, for example, him in this episode and him in "Lucifer Rising" when they have another confrontation. Oh, Castiel, I love you and your personal growth bb. ♥

(Also, it's a nice parallel between threats, demon!Seelix in the premiere made such a threat to send Dean back to Hell which he simply didn't believe, being a low-ranking demon and all; however with Castiel, the moment he stated this dangerously Dean backed off, because he didn't know what Castiel was and had never dealt with such a force like him before, which is something to remember for in the future methinks...don't be going scoffing at beings you don't know of their full capabilities).

This was also a clear message to not only Dean, but also to the audience, of what kind of beings we’re dealing with here. These are not the kind-hearted, fluffy and cute versions of angels many are used to. These are the true, biblical scary versions – which I love and have much respect for the show for keeping it like that.

Also, I need to point out that "read the Bible" line wasn’t a conversion attempt which yes, I have read some people referring to anything religion-related as conversion in their show or whatever. For research purposes, it can be very helpful and intriguing to find out precisely what these versions of angels, and even the Book of Revelation, mean and how it can help us speculate what might occur for the rest of the season/series. It’s better to be educated and knowledgeable than stay in ignorance of these kinds of things. Just saying.

In any case, I think it's safe to say that what made this episode for me was pretty much the ending, that and some of the questionings and religion and the existence of Heaven and God, which isn't necessarily elementary because they are essential to trying to at least understand what is happening.


In addition to all my tl;dr Castiel talk above, TODAY IS MISHA COLLINS' BIRTHDAY! To the most lovable and adorable crackiest man who pretty much is a Mary Sue in real life, hope you have the bestest birthdays ever. Filled with candy and presents and magical invisible crony ponies that sparkle and will help you rule the world! Or something, I don't know. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE BESTEST AND FIERCEST NEW CHARACTER TO THE SHOW, MISH MISH, AND YOUR ADVENTURES IN LIFE WHICH MAKE MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS UNWORTHY OF YOUR OWN. I ENVY BECAUSE I LOVE. ♥__♥
 
 
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The Large Purple Weed: Castiel's torn loyaltiestracy on August 20th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
I'm not hung up over the Witnesses being pissed -- they had more reason to be pissed than the average angry spirit, and I imagine if they spent so long obsessing over it, it would be easy for them to say "fuck it" to trying to be understanding. It does make me really sad that Henrickson had to end up hating them so much, though, I really really liked him and enjoyed his little bonding moment with Dean after so much friction and so many misunderstandings. :(

Anyway, you know how much I love Castiel's character arc this season, but I gotta admit, I miss episode 1 and 2 Castiel, where he's all badass and cool and threatening and NOT DEAN'S DOORMAT. Watching him there gives me shivers, whereas watching the later episodes just makes me ache for him. I also love it for the amazing contrast, though, to see just how far he's come.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on August 20th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
Hendrickson being so angry at Dean made me sad, too. They spent the majority of the time butting heads until that one episode where they were actually bonding for that moment, being on the same level and having a mutual understanding of what they do and respecting each other for it. It still is sad that he died, I think he would have been a great friend to the Winchesters at some point or another.

I suppose you're right about the Witnesses, having a reason to be angry because it's that whole "why us and not them?" scenario, which is understandable given how they unintentionally were thrown into such horrible situations.

Anyway, you know how much I love Castiel's character arc this season, but I gotta admit, I miss episode 1 and 2 Castiel, where he's all badass and cool and threatening and NOT DEAN'S DOORMAT. Watching him there gives me shivers, whereas watching the later episodes just makes me ache for him. I also love it for the amazing contrast, though, to see just how far he's come.

This. I agree so much, just having that hardcore fierce warrior angel aspect makes me shiver too because when he's like that, all calm and dangerous with such intensity, you believe he could snap your neck or smite you right then and there. Intense!Castiel was absolutely marvelous to see, but I do enjoy seeing conflicted!Castiel too, because of his personal and self-discovery journey he's going through. But I do want that fiercest to return at some point mainly because I want to see him win a fight for once, lol
noybusiness on August 20th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
They said in the episode that the Witnesses being angry and in pain was part of the spell that raised them, not their own fault. They were essentially rabid.
Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on August 20th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, must've missed that part mentioned. That makes sense in context of everything.
icecoldrain: Stock - Cupcakesicecoldrain on August 20th, 2009 11:55 pm (UTC)
I was about to make a comment about how the rising of the witnesses gave the victims anger to those who weren't holding a grudge about those who couldn't save them(and extra anger to those who were), until I saw the ETA part lol.

Also, it would have been even more awesome had Jessica been present amongst the other Witnesses.
You know, that would have been interesting to see.
Renéerogueslayer452 on August 21st, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
Yeah, lol, that's what happens sometimes when I get too thinky about things, I kinda miss the simplified version. XD

It would've, definitely. I would have loved to see Sam's reaction too, and wonder what kind of guilt trip that happened. It certainly would have made the season more interesting with Sam second guessing what he does because of Jessica's spirit.
icecoldrain: Stock - Cupcakesicecoldrain on August 21st, 2009 12:06 am (UTC)
It happens lol.

It would have, I wonder what she would have said to him to.
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on August 21st, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
Probably along the lines of why he hadn't told her about his family and what they do, about hunting, warning her about his premonitions and his dreams about her dying and doing nothing about it. Pretty much all what he felt guilt over through most of season one, only intensified because he will now have more guilt based on what he's been doing with Ruby and his powers.

That's my thought, anyway.
icecoldrain: Stock - Cupcakesicecoldrain on August 21st, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah and he would probably have said 'I'm sorry' a lot. However, he would have sounded crazy if he told her his family was demon hunters and he had been having visions.
Renée: Hyori Lee.rogueslayer452 on August 21st, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure she, Jessica's spirit, would have known of all that anyway. It seems spirits have further knowledge of things they didn't know when they were living.
icecoldrain: Stock - Cupcakesicecoldrain on August 22nd, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
I meant if he told her before she died. He would have sounded like a crazy person lol.
Renée: Echo. Yoga.rogueslayer452 on August 22nd, 2009 03:01 am (UTC)
I suspect it wouldn't be any different compared to how the boys tell some of the people they're helping on hunts. I'm sure she would have been confused and possibly a little scared, but I think she would have taken things in stride. Jessica strikes me as someone who would go with the flow despite not having all the details, as long as she had Sam and knew he was going to be okay. :)
bullet to the beast: [SPN] Team Intelligent!Casthevinegarworks on August 20th, 2009 11:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, BAMF!Cas, how I miss you. While I love the arc Castiel's story took through the season, it still just kind of makes me sad because I have to wonder if we'll ever see that semi-arrogant, otherworldly, insanely powerful creature again, or if he will continue down the slippery slope of becoming human and, like Tracy said up there^, Dean's doormat. That's definitely not a complaint, though - while I loooove BAMF you should show me some respect Cas more than anything in the known world, now that we know Heaven's (or at least Zachariah's) motivations, it's almost better for Cas that he's getting out from under such a fucked-up, warped dictatorship and sort of coming into his own.

Still, though. I would love to see more smitey!Cas getting all up in Dean's face and threatening him with doom and gloom if he doesn't pull his head out of his ass and start listening to what Cas is telling him. *shivery* Nnnngh...
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Forgiven.rogueslayer452 on August 21st, 2009 12:18 am (UTC)
now that we know Heaven's (or at least Zachariah's) motivations, it's almost better for Cas that he's getting out from under such a fucked-up, warped dictatorship and sort of coming into his own.

I completely agree, Castiel wouldn't be the Castiel we know and love without his moral conflictions regarding Heaven's orders, and especially learning of their true intentions. This Castiel in these first few episodes is definitely the soldier of God, he believes wholeheartedly in what Heaven and the angels are doing is for the greater good and this is why he's more intense than what we see later on.

But yes, I want Castiel to become BAMF!angel again while he's siding and has his affections for Dean, to be smiting bitches and taking names. That would be absolutely fucking awesome to see.
miya09: GLEEmiya09 on August 21st, 2009 01:58 am (UTC)
HERE HERE TO MISHA COLLINS BIRTHDAY! Let's all break the champagnes and confetti's for all the People in this Party....YEHAAWWWWWW!.

Sorry if I cant comment much on SPN REWATCH, since I'm so tired cause of lack of sleep...will give much constructive thoughts later *adios-muchacos*
Renée: MISHA COLLINS BITCHES!rogueslayer452 on August 21st, 2009 02:54 am (UTC)
LOL ALL HAIL MISHA AND HIS UTTER CRACK-INFESTED MIND! XD

Aww, don't worry about it bb. Go get some sleep, sleep deprivation is no fun at all. The rewatch will still be here when you wake up. ;)
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: misha: saving worlds in an apronsapphirestar_ on August 21st, 2009 01:19 pm (UTC)
I mean, I love Dean to death but sometimes he inserts his foot into his mouth far too often, and in this case he pushed further than he should have and in my opinion, got what he deserved.

YES. i mean, rewatching the show over and over, you notice all the times he does that, and yeah, usually the consequences are awkward and me going all OH SNAP DEAN, DON'T GO THERE, but in this case i loved that he did it, that he got threatened in return, because, as you said, from that moment on you know exactly what kind of angels they're dealing with. (and then there's the contrast - there's ep 1 & 2 castiel, and then there's the castiel after that, and i think it's interesting to compare the two, see the differencies.)

who pretty much is a Mary Sue in real life

BUT ISN'T HE THE BESTEST MARY SUE THERE EVER WAS? :DD
Renée: MISHA COLLINS BITCHES!rogueslayer452 on August 21st, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
Yep, and while I adore both the boys sometimes they need someone to call them out on their bullshit. Of course Dean will continue to butt heads and argue and question the angels, since old habits die hard, but from Castiel's threat here and the warning he places onto him in the next episode, Dean believes him. He knows he's dealing with a stronger, more powerful force than he's used to handling.

I love the contrast between fierce!Castiel and conflicted!Castiel, and it's interesting to see it all unfold progressively as the season goes on. I wonder had they planned that or if, due to the huge response of Misha on the show, they decided to add that to his character arc. Either way, I'm happy with what they did with him.

BUT ISN'T HE THE BESTEST MARY SUE THERE EVER WAS? :DD

HE TOTES IS BB, HE TOTES IS. THE ONLY WAY I CAN ACCEPT A MARY SUE - AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT FITS THAT PROFILE AND IS STILL ABSOLUTELY ADORKABLE. :D