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08 September 2009 @ 12:52 pm
SPN REWATCH 4.18 & 4.20  
First I want to welcome all new friends made from the Supernatural Friending Meme: bold_seer, aibajunior, inkstaind_dream and godofstrife! Hope we have some interesting fun times with the fangirling and conversing as we get to know each other better. *g*

For this particular Supernatural rewatch I did "Monsters at the End of This Book" and "The Rapture" for two specific reasons. They are two excellent episodes and they both deal with the concept of choices, destiny and freewill. Either if it's with the Winchesters or with Castiel, there is always the issue about choices and decisions coinciding with destiny and fate and whether it is possible, in this universe in particular. I explore further into that with these two episodes (and the last two, which will be posted tomorrow, as well) and what it means for the future of these characters, Castiel in particular given his nature. There's also MUCH discussion and pondering about the Jimmy/Castiel situation and my feelings and thoughts towards what was presented to us in canon, which I think many should ponder as well.

Supernatural Rewatch 4.18 "The Monster At The End Of This Book"

I’m still surprised at how well managed this episode turned out to be, and by that I mean mixing the funny with the serious business. Supernatural has been known for it’s hilarious comedic episodes and the normal apocalyptic-toned ones, but never had been mixed together in this format before, which I think is pretty amazing.

I am still tinkled pink by the blatant mocking of the craziness of the fanbase and, of course, Kripke and the writers themselves.

Anyone remember some of the fans actually thinking this was a negative look at the fandom and thought Kripke was making fun of us and placing us in the negative light? It still cracks me up because that reaction is totally ridiculous, but you know some people will get their panties in a twist for absolutely nothing and think it’s offensive or whatever. Oh well, their loss because this was a deliberate parody of the batshittery that happens in fandom sometimes (and those that winged out – the case, the show has rested it), and it shows that they don’t take themselves seriously – and neither should the fans.

I mean come on, FANDOM IS NOW CANON IN THE SHOW! It’s all twisty and mind-frakking fun! Hilarity ensues, laugh at yourself for once because it IS funny!

Other than that, I loved how they incorporated all of that silliness with Chuck and his writings to the seriousness that followed about him being a prophet and with Lilith and Sam and then him dreaming, getting visions about what is going to happen regarding the Apocalypse. Very nicely done, show. I loved Chuck, such an amazing and hilarious character, but also very sad because of what he sees in his prophetic visions that Zachariah warns him not tell Sam and Dean about; despite the insane crack that ensued earlier in the episode, you just feel sympathy for poor Chuck because he never asked to be chosen to become a prophet. Now that he understands his calling it must be harder for him with his dreams and whatnot.

Choices, destiny and fate; this season touches heavily on those issues, no matter if you’re human or a celestial being, the issue about choices and whether you can alter your destiny and change fate is tested and questioned. It begs the question though, did Dean really change the foretold future by altering it, or was Chuck’s vision somewhat altered by the angels? Especially now that we know that they can alter things, like Dean’s message to Sam in the finale, it wouldn’t be impossible to consider such a thing. However because of the hints and clues Castiel did in helping Dean prevent Sam from going through with what he had to do, could that have changed things or was it all inevitable anyway? Could this have been something that Heaven had foreseen, or perhaps it was because of this bending of the rules that caused the shifting of events?

Too many questions swirling in my head about that, but it does make you ponder the destiny versus fate thing and whether Heaven is actually altering the paths of certain individuals because of their own devious plans for the Apocalypse.

Castiel in this episode made it even more worthwhile, because I loved that this was an episode that had crack and he was in the middle of it – and interacted in a scene with Dean and Chuck with such crack. And did a beautifully convincing job, too. With any other actor the line – "these books will one day become the Winchester Gospel" – would have seemed silly and corny, but with Misha, his presence as this character is so serious and full of respect and poise that it is anything but when it comes out of his mouth, even if the line can be construed as ridiculous. He also had amazing lines here, too. The "you should have seen Luke" and his "I am not…kidding you" lines still have me rolling. HIS DRY SARCASM, HE IS PICKING UP FROM DEAN! :D

Castiel should be in more crack/serious episodes more often. Hell, I would LOVE to see him meet and interact with the Ghostfacers at some point. Oh God, could you imagine?

The scene with Dean praying aloud, genuinely, is still a favorite of mine. The season focuses a lot on the angel mythology and how it connects to all the mysteries surrounding the boys and this bigger picture that we’re coming towards, but it also focuses on the personal journeys and faiths of characters. Sam’s dark path and his deteriorating faith in God and Heaven, Dean coming into his own destiny and gradually coming into his faith, and Castiel undergoing much personal conflict about what is right and wrong, here we see this played out in the moment between him and Dean outside of the motel. Dean asking guidance and help to save Sam, but Castiel could not because he cannot interfere with divine prophecy or else dire consequences would happen (and it would be straightforward disobedience which he knows not to trifle with just yet).

But what’s interesting is how torn up we see Castiel over this. He wants to help Dean, he truly does, and yet he can’t. Dean doesn’t like that kind of an answers so he storms off in a huff, leaving Castiel feeling torn once again on how to proceed in helping without actually interfering. This brings on sneaky!Castiel, bending the rules and risking everything for the sake of Dean – and this is yet more proof that Castiel would do anything for Dean, regardless of what it is.

I just wish there could be more evidence that Dean would do the same thing with Castiel, but that’ll be for later.

This episode still makes my sides hurt but my heart hurt, too, just from the scenes I’ve mentioned. It really is a great episode.


Supernatural Rewatch 4.20 "The Rapture"

I simply adore this episode. I knew I would love it even before it aired because not only was it Misha-centric, but it also gave us the origins of the human vessel that Castiel has been inhabiting this entire time, the background of this man, Jimmy Novak, and how he fits into all of this. And of course, the mystery of why Castiel left in the first place and how he was going to return, and what would happen to this Jimmy Novak?

Like most, I think we all had something in our heads about who this mysterious “holy tax accountant” was before this episode. I had theorized he was a devout man who had a strong connection with the church, however witnessed something horrific and tragic regarding his family, something in connection with demons, and it had devastated him and that is why he had prayed for help from the Heavens, which is where Castiel comes into play, so there would be something deeper in why Jimmy was as connected as the Winchesters were by agreeing to be holy possessed by an angel. That was my most likely guess, which was purely speculation on my end. I, of course, was way off the mark, but the canon version is still pretty nifty nonetheless.

I appreciate and admire Misha Collins for what he did in this role, how he managed to go from Castiel to Jimmy and then Jimmy to Castiel almost instantaneously, so perfect. He created an entirely different persona for Jimmy Novak that I was absolutely impressed with how he can carry out these two different characters.

He did the same with Castiel, as there’s a vast difference with how he plays him from the beginning of the episode to when we see him once again at the very end.

Now, Jimmy Novak. I have to say as a whole, I feel horrible for poor Jimmy. Another example of inevitable destinies, he was chosen for such a divine plan as the vessel of a powerful otherworldly being and, despite having given consent for Castiel to enter his body for whatever purposes he was intended to, him saying that the past year was pretty much hell for him (i.e. comparing his absence like being strapped onto a comet) made me feel very sympathetic and bad for the poor guy. Which leaves me to wonder if Castiel knew the repercussions of this mutual agreement, since angels have been known to not really tell the entirety of the truth unless they need to in order to complete their missions. Of course, this is the Castiel before he meets Dean, the Castiel that follows orders without question (unless he secretly had been all along, and it wasn’t until he met Dean in person that allowed that humanizing to expand those doubts).

Does this make Castiel bad for not explaining the whole arrangement with Jimmy? I don’t think so, because as mentioned he was still following orders; he was a soldier, things were at stake. Of course, it makes me wonder what Castiel had told Jimmy – if he told him about the holy war, of the Seals, of the rising of the Apocalypse; if so, then perhaps Jimmy could have understood what he needed to do.

However, there are some timeline glitches present here – Castiel mentioned that after Dean broke in Hell, the angels took siege into Hell to get to him. In the flashbacks when Jimmy had been contacted by Castiel, it took a few weeks of him receiving messages, him scaring his wife thus her getting him psychiatric help and medication for thinking of talking with Heaven’s angels and before he gave his permission for Castiel to take over his body for whatever purposes he needed to do. How could this have been if Castiel had pulled Dean out from Hell, contacted him twice (and failed) and then appeared in physical form? That hadn’t really taken up a few weeks, had it? I’ve been trying to figure it out, fanwanking possibilities, but all seem to fall flat because it doesn’t make sense, timeline wise. Oh well, it’s something I guess I can forgive because it gave us a chance to see the backstory of Jimmy.

And honestly, I don’t think the writers were anticipating the expansion of Castiel passed the first few episodes, so it was a huge surprise for them and they had to make Jimmy’s story involving his family, his wife and all of that, convincing enough.

What I loved about Jimmy as a person was, despite what happened to him in the end, he was a man worthy of sacrificing himself for the sake of his family; he loved his family so much, his wife and daughter, that he didn’t want them involved in something he was destined for. It sucks, it was destiny and fate for him to be chosen, and I still wished he had died instead of being stuck on that metaphorical comet, internally suffering forever and ever as long as Castiel has his body intact. It’s horrible and devastating, because this was Jimmy’s fate no matter what happened, there was no way around it. It’s incredibly sad, and I do wish it had ended differently for him because it’s too horrible – and it makes the whole issue concerning possession on the angels side even more complicated.

But I guess that’s the difference between angels and demons in that department. Demons don’t care who they possess as long as they have a meat suit. Whether dead or alive, it doesn’t matter to them, whereas angels need consent from these chosen humans, and it wouldn’t be right if they were to enter an already dead person. Also, remember what Castiel mentioned in the extended scene in “Lazarus Rising” about the difficulty finding a vessel durable enough to contain him? That means it’s a lot harder to find those devout individuals unless there is a list in Heaven of those along the special bloodlines, though he did mistake Dean for one of those special people so, heh.

(And this makes me even more sad that Uriel died – I really wanted to know more about the poor sap that he possessed and if he also asked for permission, since I do have a hard time trying to see Uriel conversing kindly with a human, since he vehemently despises humans)

Anyway – this brings up a lot of issues, particularly for us Dean/Castiel shippers because while Ruby had her explanation, in the case of Jimmy Novak and Castiel it is rather tricky situation and a bit more morally complicated. I’ve seen fics where Castiel had sent Jimmy’s soul into Heaven, some that have Jimmy’s permission, and even some that have Jimmy theoretically participating in a threesome, sort of. These are scenarios that make the pairing work because the thought of Jimmy’s soul suffering while being pushed down and aside while Castiel still inhabits his body for Lord knows how long, it’s quite disturbing. I mean, surely we can make these things a bit easier for us to deal with – but it still doesn’t change what happened in canon and it does make it very hard.

I do still wish that Jimmy’s last request was to give Castiel permission to still use his body after his soul ascended into Heaven, because while that had been sad for his death it would have been happier knowing his family would be safe and that Castiel could still carry on with his mission. But, this is what we got.

We also have the aftermath of the Novak family, what happens to them? How will Amelia deal with her husband having to suffer while this being takes hold of his body, realizing that he had been right all along? What about Claire who had been briefly possessed by Castiel herself, how will she cope with it all?

Now I have to mentioned Castiel after he returns, and the devastation that followed after he said this:
"I learned my lesson when I was away, Dean. I serve Heaven, I don't serve Man. And I certainly don’t serve you."
Hearing people calling Castiel a cold heartless bastard, a prick, an asshole for saying this makes me wonder if they actually placed what happened into context of the situation. That is not what he was going to tell Dean, which we learn much later in the finale; and if he had been dragged back to Heaven against his will there was perhaps a reason, he had bent the rules in the previous episode to help Dean, his superiors know about his growing affections and feelings for the Winchesters and are afraid he is heading towards disobedience, so they gave him a bit of Heavenly Time Out.

We don’t know what happened up there, what they did to him, what he saw. But it changed him, scared him – and it’s quite obvious when he came that he wouldn’t automatically go, "oh, by the way Dean, this is the thing I was going to warn you about before they whisked me away!" He’s being watched very closely, and had to do whatever Heaven told him to do. And you could tell he didn’t like saying it, just by the way he held his poise, the way he didn’t directly look Dean in the eye as he passed by him. That is not typical Castiel behavior, not at all.

Thus, giving us a taste that Heaven is certainly not the Paradise our scriptures seem to implicate, and that the freewill and choices of celestial beings are very limited.

I also theorize a bit that the bloody sigil on the wall where the huge angel vs. angel showdown happened was created by Castiel to by himself more time to contact Dean through his dreams and to give him the information to that location, only it was too late. Which would explain how he knew how to use the sigil in the finale when sending Zachariah away, as well. Just the way he seemed so apprehensive and quick, not to mention vague, with his words to Dean. You could tell something was wrong, and something definitely was really very wrong, and in the end we understand why. It makes me wonder exactly when Castiel found out of Heaven's true plans for Dean and how everything was going down, and when he decided to warn Dean. Also, how his superiors knew of this, unless he confronted them before all it happened.

"The Rapture" is a very emotional, but brilliant, episode. The tragic story of Jimmy and his family, the breaking up of Dean and Castiel (at least how it seems), and even more the distrust and breaking up of Sam and Dean once Dean finally witnesses Sam drinking demon blood, thus sending him to the panic room for detoxing. It kind of felt like an emotional rollarcoaster, and the next episode, "When The Levee Breaks", it continues on that path.


ONLY A FEW MORE DAYS PPLS, FEW MORE DAYS UNTIL NEW SPN OMGOMGOMG. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER!
 
 
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lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: you're the essence in my Isapphirestar_ on September 8th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)
I do have a hard time trying to see Uriel conversing kindly with a human

i think it went something like this:

u: FILTHY MUDMONKEY
v: ... WTH?
u: QUITE THE OPPOSITE. NOW MOVE OVER, BITCH

no, but seriously though, i can't imagine him being all ask first, accept whatever answer, and move on. especially considering what we found out in on the head of a pin, how far his contempt for humanity went. it's not all that impossible to think that he'd just take. (if they can do that, of course. it'd seem unlikely if they didn't, but you never know.)

also, about the timeline - for some reason i've always imagined it was just cas, traveling back and forth in time. it took a while for jimmy, but it would've been maybe five minutes for cas, if he'd been taking the quicker path (he was in a bit of a hurry, after all). i'm probably wrong, though, but still!

And you could tell he didn’t like saying it, just by the way he held his poise, the way he didn’t directly look Dean in the eye as he passed by him.

that's an interesting point. i never quite noticed it myself i was too busy being all starry-eyed about them but thinking back, you're absolutely right. before, he had no concern for personal space, but in that particular scene, he actually turns his back on dean - when he turns back to look at claire and amelia, his front's turned towards sam. obviously it could just be that amelia passed him from his right, so it was natural for him to turn that way, but i know what my fangirly mind wants to believe. :D

and ditto on the sigil - i always thought it was castiel who created it, that it was there in case the other angels came to stop him.

TWO DAYS! (or three, for me.) \o/
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Forgiven.rogueslayer452 on September 9th, 2009 12:10 am (UTC)
LOL, "MOVE OVER BITCH!" XD

I would think that Uriel would have gone along with such regulations even if he had such high contempt for humanity, because he's a soldier and his superiors were above him and whatnot. He wouldn't like it but being protocol and all I think he would put up with it. Though yeah, I can't really seem to think all angels would go through such such regulations, since the idea that they can bend/break the rules, especially in Uriel's case in quietly rebelling against his superiors and Heaven, I wouldn't put it passed him to just take hold of any particular vessel as he pleased.

or some reason i've always imagined it was just cas, traveling back and forth in time. it took a while for jimmy, but it would've been maybe five minutes for cas, if he'd been taking the quicker path

Oh, that's actually a very interesting theory, I like that idea. Considering there is definitely a difference between time in Hell and on Earth, I'm assuming it would be with the angels too. I would like more of that explanation in the show (or Kripke or the writers if they can't do so onscreen).

obviously it could just be that amelia passed him from his right, so it was natural for him to turn that way, but i know what my fangirly mind wants to believe. :D

Hee, true. But on that note, I think when he looks back at Amelia and Claire there's something hinting in his expression that he kind of regrets what happened with Jimmy and his family. It's a subtle moment when the camera focuses on him, but I thought it's worth mentioning. But then he just walks off without really acknowledging Dean or Sam, which still makes my heart ache but we understand the why now. So. (also Dean's expression after he turns his back and walks off, just lja;lskdfj I firs thought after this episode aired was OMG DID CASTIEL JUST BREAK UP WITH DEAN!?! D:)

TWO MOAR DAYS OMG! I CAN NO LONGER STAND IT!
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: together we aren't so very fragile.sapphirestar_ on September 9th, 2009 07:54 am (UTC)
there's something hinting in his expression that he kind of regrets what happened with Jimmy and his family

i've noticed that, too. it's sort of obvious, too, if you're looking for it, if you know how castiel's mind works and that, normally, without the ass-reaming, he would regret it. (which is interesting, as well - i don't think he really understood the magnitude of him coming and taking jimmy away from his family before actually seeing amelia and claire, before he began bonding with dean, becoming more human.)

OMG DID CASTIEL JUST BREAK UP WITH DEAN!?! D:

heeeeee, and then it's dean breaking up with cas in lucifer rising! i'd say they're just about even now and so can get on with the loving. :DD
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Peaceful.rogueslayer452 on September 9th, 2009 10:53 am (UTC)
i don't think he really understood the magnitude of him coming and taking jimmy away from his family before actually seeing amelia and claire, before he began bonding with dean, becoming more human

That is perhaps one of the reasons that I loved how they expanded and developed his storyline here. Just the dynamic between him and Dean is enough, but there's a lot more going on and for me that was perhaps part of the reason why I adored season four so much. Extended mythological arcs aside, seeing the gradual humanization of this angel, seeing him question his orders and come into his own by this realization that not everything is as he thought it was before....it's so intriguing and perfect, especially as he's learning through Dean, and vice versa.

Oh God, I'm writing up "Lucifer Rising" right now and just the seeing their scenes again is almost too much to handle. I loved that turn around, how here Castiel walks away from Dean but in the finale Dean turns his back on Castiel; definitely even now, especially since Castiel finally decides to disobey and defy his superiors and join Dean and just, omgyes moar with this next season plz! :DDD
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on September 8th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
I guess Jimmy contacted Castiel before he got Dean out. He knew he would need a vessel to fight demons on the earthly plane. Although, did they say it was weeks? Refresh my memory.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on September 8th, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
During one of the flashbacks it's implicated that it was some weeks since Castiel first made contact with him, and it gave us a chance to have that time in between so Amelia could freak out and he would be prescribed medication, since they all thought he was going nuts for thinking he could speak to angels. Not only that, but their marriage was falling apart because of it, so it would have definitely been some time for that to have happened.

I'm not entirely sure that Jimmy contacted Castiel before he got Dean out, I'm assuming that Castiel contacted Jimmy possibly knowing that he would need a human vessel, though I'm thinking the moment Jimmy contacted Castiel and finally gave his consent is during the time in the premiere were Dean and Bobby were preparing to meet whoever pulled Dean from Hell.

Again, the timeline is a bit confusing to figure out so, it's all fanwanking at this point.
noybusiness on September 9th, 2009 12:15 am (UTC)
Oops, I meant Castiel contacted Jimmy.
nesdy on September 9th, 2009 02:39 pm (UTC)
I would LOVE to see him meet and interact with the Ghostfacers at some point OMGYESPLEASE!!!!! That would be hilarious!

Hearing people calling Castiel a cold heartless bastard, a prick, an asshole for saying this makes me wonder if they actually placed what happened into context of the situation. I agree with you here. Castiel was obviously dragged against his will back to Heaven and he was punished in some way for his close relationship with Dean. If he had told Dean what the angels were planning, well, their plans wouldn't have turned out as they wanted. He didn't want to be so cold with Dean, but he was forced to. I mean, he proved more than once that he cares about Dean before and after that. Had he been given a choice, he would've told Dean all the truth.
Renée: SPN. Castiel.rogueslayer452 on September 9th, 2009 06:35 pm (UTC)
IKR?! OMGOSH, I can totally see Castiel's perplexed head-tilting if he ever came into contact with them, lol! XD

I mean, he proved more than once that he cares about Dean before and after that. Had he been given a choice, he would've told Dean all the truth.

This, so much. I remember someone a while back had actually thought that Castiel was evil because of this and after he intentionally released Sam from the panic room, but that theory hardly made much sense considering canonical evidence that Castiel has done much for Dean instead of having a separate agenda. He's proven more than once that he has risked EVERYTHING for Dean and seeing him turning his back at the end of 4.20? Definitely something was up on the Heaven front, and it wasn't good.

I have no doubt that if Castiel had the opportunity he would have told Dean everything, but now on the short leash he could not and didn't want to take that risk. It makes me wonder what actually happened in Heaven, what they did to him to put him back in line.
bold_seer: tie and coatbold_seer on September 9th, 2009 04:11 pm (UTC)
:D

Hilarity ensues, laugh at yourself for once because it IS funny!

It is. They poke fun at the fanbase very gently; most of all they’re making fun of themselves.

The scene with Dean praying aloud, genuinely, is still a favorite

Absolutely. I love everything with Chuck - and the Winchester Gospel! - but my favourite part of 4x18 has to be Dean praying, and Castiel’s heartbreaking Dean. Dean! before he caves and bends (breaks?) the rules. Dean – you’d better appreciate Cas, especially after 4x22! :)

Does this make Castiel bad for not explaining the whole arrangement with Jimmy? I don’t think so

I don’t think so either. No, what happened to Jimmy isn’t fair, but really, at this point Castiel wasn’t acting out of his own will. And that, too, is unfair.

Hearing people calling Castiel a cold heartless bastard, a prick, an asshole for saying this makes me wonder if they actually placed what happened into context of the situation.

Sometimes I think people watch Supernatural – and many other shows, for that matter – with blindfolds on.

I also theorize a bit that the bloody sigil on the wall where the huge angel vs. angel showdown happened was created by Castiel to by himself more time to contact Dean through his dreams and to give him the information to that location, only it was too late.

Oh, yes! Castiel knew he’d be sent to Bible Camp, knew it would be less than pleasant; he was definitely dragged there.

Oops, I wrote an essay. :)
Renée: Castiel. Cute and sneaky.rogueslayer452 on September 9th, 2009 06:48 pm (UTC)
and Castiel’s heartbreaking Dean. Dean! before he caves and bends (breaks?) the rules. Dean – you’d better appreciate Cas, especially after 4x22! :)

Oh God, the way Castiel calls out to Dean, not once but twice, in pure desperation breaks my heart. You could tell he wanted to help, but couldn't, but he didn't want to lose Dean and in that moment we can see the gears churning inside his head, thinking something along the lines of "hm, I can actually do this without actually breaking any rules" It's just an awesome scene not just because it was another Dean/Castiel moment, but because it also gave us the glimpse of the partnership growing.

Also, there's a lot more expression on Castiel's face in that scene, have you noticed that? I was going through screencaps and the way Misha does that whole thing sneaky look at the end, that nudgenudgewinkwink look, really takes the cake.

No, what happened to Jimmy isn’t fair, but really, at this point Castiel wasn’t acting out of his own will. And that, too, is unfair.

Yeah, it's just unfair on all sides at this point, and that's what makes this even more depressing.

Sometimes I think people watch Supernatural – and many other shows, for that matter – with blindfolds on.

It amazes me how people can just not take what is happening in a show and look at it from another perspective; outside the box thinking and all of that, you know. I don't know if this may just be me, since analyzing is something that comes naturally to me now, but wouldn't make sense it just take a look at things from all sides instead of going by what is featured on the surface? It makes me sad when there are fans of a show that don't do that, and miss the very important pieces.

Hee, as you can tell I appreciate and encourage essay-like comments. My comment here is kinda proof of that. ;D
bold_seer: detectivebold_seer on September 9th, 2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
Also, there's a lot more expression on Castiel's face in that scene, have you noticed that? I was going through screencaps and the way Misha does that whole thing sneaky look at the end, that nudgenudgewinkwink look, really takes the cake.

I have the screencaps of that scene saved. For research purposes, naturally. Oh, what sacrifices must be made in the name of science!
Renée: MISHA COLLINS BITCHES!rogueslayer452 on September 9th, 2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, the screencap research project. I am really acing that, since I have as many Castiel screencaps as I can, nearly frame-by-frame and in hi-res. Hey, one has to do what one has to do for science. ;D
kitchensexslave: angsty Caskitchensexslave on September 10th, 2009 01:17 pm (UTC)
Hell, I would LOVE to see him meet and interact with the Ghostfacers at some point. Oh God, could you imagine?

Oh christ, that would be the most brilliant crack EVER. They'd be all skeptical and aloof and he'd be all frowny and head-tilty... is there fanfic of this?

The fans who found this episode insulting clearly don't have a sense of humour, nor can they see that Kripke makes fun of himself/the other writers just as much as the fans! Personally, I adore this ep and the inclusion on fandom in canon.

As for Jimmy, my personal fav fan-theory is that he's descended from the Nephilim and it's only these humans who can be possessed... just a wee bit of speculation! Poor guy, though, he has to have one of the shortest straws in the long history of ordinary people who get screwed over by the supernatural in this show. I explain away the timelines thing with "angels can timetravel" although, yeah, it's just that Castiel was meant to die before fandom decided to embrace him. The way Misha switches between four essentially different characters is mightily impressive.

Renée: Castiel. Harp.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2009 01:51 am (UTC)
I have run across any yet, but I'm sure there's fic out there somewhere. With pie. XD

It's just amusing to me how people can be offended at something intended to be a fanservice for us. It's more of Kripke's way of appreciating our crazy little fandom. But yeah, I agree, sucks to be them if they can't just laugh at themselves for the moment. I thought it was awesome, a nice way of mixing the cracky lulz with the supah srs bznz of the season.

As for Jimmy, my personal fav fan-theory is that he's descended from the Nephilim and it's only these humans who can be possessed

Hmm, that is an interesting fan speculation. I like it! I really do wonder how these special individuals are even chosen, or what makes them special. It's something the show should reveal to us, but I doubt they will.

I'm always so curious to the aftermath of the people affected by supernatural occurrences in the show. We see them and then, poof, we're to assume they'll be fine after everything. I mean, I know the show is mainly focused on the boys and the bigger things they're dealing with, but sometimes we leave this hole of "what happened?" to the people they've helped or had their lives end in tragedy. Like in season one, they helped out people but we see there is a silver lining to how they'll deal with everything afterward. Now? Not so much, particularly with the Novak family, Amelia and Claire, having to deal with what they've just encountered and how they'll live on knowing Jimmy is being inhabited by an angel, for however long.

Not really nitpicking, but it's something that's been nagging at me for a while.

The way Misha switches between four essentially different characters is mightily impressive.

Hee, especially when you see how Misha is in real life compared to how he plays Castiel on the screen. The man is just too talented and amazing. ;D

Edited at 2009-09-11 01:51 am (UTC)