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18 September 2009 @ 07:12 pm
SPN: "Good God, Y'all!" Episode Review + Meta  
Supernatural 5.02 "Good God, Y'all!"

A jumbled up call from the old former hunter Rufus leads the Winchester boys going to Colorado where there's a supposed demon holdup of a town. Roads are blocked off, the town is nearly deserted, seeming like everyone just vanished without a trace. They bump into Ellen Harvelle, who gives them the followup of what has been happening. Saying that Rufus had entered the town following leads of some omens, only to have an ambush of demons that raided and possessed nearly everyone in sight. Rufus and Jo are somewhere in the town after being separated from the rest, which Ellen has been keeping civilians of the town who aren't possessed safe. Sam and Dean try to figure out what is going on, only to find themselves bantering. Sam gets captured what he believes to be a possessed Rufus and possessed Jo, however something seems off. Dean discovers that the town isn't being possessed, it's actually a hallucination created by one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: War. War uses his influence to create havoc amongst humans to go against each other in thinking the other are demons when they aren't. Sam and Dean convince Jo and Rufus and then stop War by taking the ring which was the source of his power, but it's certainly not the last we'll be seeing of the Four Horsemen.

Meanwhile Bobby is permanently stuck in a wheelchair at the hospital, and Castiel appears briefly as he announces that he is going on a quest to find God, who he believes is responsible for resurrecting him from destruction and saving the Winchesters from Lucifer's rise at the convent. However, he needs an amulet which may be the only indicator in finding God's presence, being Dean's amulet. Slightly reluctant at first, Dean finally gives Castiel his amulet. Later, after everything is said and done, Sam tells Dean that he doesn't trust himself either and decides to take a break from hunting. The end of the episode has Dean watching his younger brother take off.

Where will this leave the Winchesters now? How will Sam go about trying to get back in control despite the temptations he fears he'll be drawn back into? What will happen with Castiel and his journey in finding God? Many things are in store for these boys, and it's only the second episode.


Dean and Castiel and the Search for God

Although Castiel had only appeared in the beginning that one scene will remain the best scene in this episode, because of everything that was said and even not said between certain characters. The entire scene played out more beautifully than I could have ever imagined it would, even the SPACE promo which got me so excited for the episode didn't have me anticipating what we got. And it was good.

Castiel searching for God is something that I was slightly spoiled for before the episode aired, rather unintentionally by some random commenter on a post I ventured into, but in context to everything that's been happening with them all his quest makes sense. I know there's debates on whether God actually did bring them back, and the more we think about it the more obvious that it probably wasn't God that performed those miracles of resurrecting Castiel and saving the brothers, as it would be too easy and too early to reveal at this point. But it's so in character for Castiel because he lost everything. He has nobody to rely on, Heaven has cut him off, he's utterly alone except for Dean and his pure faith in God. The angry speech he gives Dean, getting into his personal space, is one of the most intense moments by far:
"I killed two angels this week. My brothers. I'm hunted, I rebelled, and I did it, ALL of it, for you. And you failed. You and your brother destroyed the world. And I lost everything, for nothing. So keep. Your opinions. To yourself."
These words coming from his mouth, speaking to Dean in that dangerously low growl, is perhaps the best thing to have ever been uttered by Castiel. These are words that needed to be said because it officially establishes all that Castiel has sacrificed for Dean, everything he's ever done has been for Dean. Proving once again his deep devotion for this human, who he has grown to admire and love and just utterly care for, despite everything. He sacrificed his entire world, Heaven, his home, killing his own kin, for Dean. We've all known this, just having it being stated outright on the show just further establishes it.

Plus, the fact that this is a complete parallel of the conversation they had back in episode 4.02 really makes this interaction even more worthwhile and squeeful. Dean denouncing God, not like before where he thought God didn't exist, because I do think he's considered the possibilities that perhaps there might be a God. But here he was clearly dissing about God actually caring about his creations, both human and angels alike, not being anywhere around to help or be seen. As soon as Dean makes his crack about it, Castiel immediately gets defensive, straightening himself up, clenching his jaw, and then goes for the final blow of approaching Dean dangerously, growling at him about keeping his opinions about God to himself. Because there is nothing more dangerous than insulting an angel's deep faith. Which, despite everything, Castiel still has.

That is another thing I loved about this scene. Castiel's faith. It's very different from all the other angels who clearly either have doubted God's existence or are rebelling about God in general and taking matters into their own hands. Instead, Castiel wants to find God for himself, to prove that his Father is out there somewhere because he believes in Him. I find this incredibly adorable. Whether or not God actually did bring them all back, his utter desperation in wanting truth, in clinging onto the very thing that is keeping him from falling entirely, aside from Dean of course, and getting defensive about it and wanting to protect this deep belief that God is actually out there somewhere, it's so cute and totally endearing and completely Castiel. ♥ I also consider this very symbolic to his character's journey, last season he struggled with the morality of his orders, now he's struggling with his faith and where he stands as he's been cast from Heaven, limited angelic powers, and being hunted by his fellow brothers and sisters, having only his faith in God and Dean beside him. Done correctly, this can be a great character development for him and I'm looking forward to this mission that he has set himself up for. So I don't think him saying "I'm going to find God" as something to be concerned that this is "GOD IS HERE Y'ALL!", it's more of his own belief that God did all this. Because, in Castiel's mind, who else could it have been? He knows no one else with that kind of power, so naturally he assumes it was God, and again that is just too adorable because of his strong faith in his Father. Awww, Cas.

As for the amulet, I've seen some thinking this is cheesy but I beg to differ. It wasn't fully explained how Dean's amulet could actually be the only artifact that can locate God, and I have a feeling we'll get more explanation later of why this is, especially since it originated from Bobby as a present for John but was given to Dean instead by Sam. Hopefully there'll be more to it, but honestly I think it's a sweet notion. Also, the scene itself is symbolic for the trusting relationship between Dean and Castiel, how reluctant and hesitant Dean is to handing it over at first, but does it anyway. Dean would never have done it with anyone else, but this is Castiel and they have this bond that is growing. He knows that he can trust this angel, and Castiel knows to be careful with the amulet that Dean treasures with his life. It's the definition of trust between these two and totally means they are going steady, as the next episode will be their first official date for sure

It's also symbolic to the separation of Sam and Dean, which doesn't necessarily mean that Castiel is replacing Sam by any means, but I'll get into that in a moment.

Everything about this beginning scene, while brief it had a lot of vital moments between Castiel and his relationship with Dean, and just interacting with Sam and Bobby in the same scene, in the same room nonetheless is absolutely wonderful to see. I mean, I can go on and on gushing about how I enjoyed seeing Bobby bitching at Castiel about not having the ability to heal him and Castiel looking all anxious about finding God, of having that innocence when answering Dean's curiosity, his fierceness and showing us once again that he is an angel and, while semi-powerless, can still be hardcore and dangerous, even to Dean. And just, everything about this scene was spectacularly glorious and amazing in every single way.

I am looking forward to more of Castiel and his mission (which I believe is his mission as spoiler reports that I hadn't read were about, correct?)


The Winchester Brothers Breakup

I knew immediately once the ending that had Sam and Dean parting ways that there would be wankfest from either Sam!girls or the SamNDean fangirls that insist that the boys stay together no matter what, thus blame Misha/Castiel for intruding in their relationship and breaking them apart. I mean, this is the Supernatural fandom for Christ's sakes, if there isn't drama about one thing it's about something else. And oh, the delicious wank this is causing is just hilarious and I am laughing at anyone that is bitching and moaning about it.

First of all, let's take a step back, breathe and take the situation into perspective, which may be a hard concept for some but trust me, it makes things so much better.

Having the brothers go on different paths separately is an absolutely necessary direction for them to take, in fact it's helping their relationship which has already been crumbling since last season. They cannot simply keep going the route they've always taken, and as someone mentioned earlier having them part is probably the smartest and healthiest decision they could have made. Also, notice that this breakup wasn't at all resulted from anger and bitterness or shouting or yelling like last season? They are both on the same page, they both understand what is happening between them and come to the mutual decision of having space from each other. The boys are growing up, both of them respectively because Sam is admitting he has a problem and cannot trust himself and Dean is actually doing things for himself, making the calls and not chasing after his brother, putting the job before Sam which may seem odd but I agree with him. He hasn't been able to act properly on the job while worrying that his brother is going to go off the deep end. They are dealing with the motherfucking Apocalypse, there is no time to coddle each other with endless apologizes. Dean knows that Sam is sorry, but actions speak louder than words. Dean seeing Sam in the sports store in the episode, with the knife and the blood on his hands spoke louder than words ever could about where Sam's headspace is right then.

Also, as much as I do love Sam, he has to learn from his actions. He has to suffer the consequences because it really is because of his choices and the path he took all last season that brought him to where he is now. He can't turn to his brother, he's an adult. He has to take time to figure shit out for himself, and Dean can't always be there. And you know what? I LOVE KRIPKE FOR DOING THIS. It's realistic, it's raw and emotional and makes their relationship more real, because just bouncing back from everything that's happened between them would be a lame cop-out. So yeah, this rift is absolutely necessary.

Besides, it's not like they are separating forever or that Castiel is taking Sam's place. CASTIEL IS NOT IN ANY PART OF THIS EQUATION, AT ALL. Anyone that thinks that is clearly delusional and making irrational calls just because it will no longer be "The Sam and Dean Show". It has been and always will remain about the brothers, but they are at an obstacle right now that they have to overcome. It will take some time but trust me, them being separated will only have them come back together stronger and healthier as a family, their bonds linked more closely and repair the damage that has been done.

Nothing has been ruined. They both need this, and as heartbreaking as it is Dean is right. They aren't the same anymore, and so it's about time they try to space each other out and make amends by creating a new relationship with each other.

In short: whiners to the left, Kripke is awesome.


Memorable Moments from the Episode:

++ One word: FLATBREAD! CASTIEL BB YOU ARE ADORABLE. ♥

++ Just watching Castiel strut through the hospital hall like a BAMF merely had me smiling with glee. With the trenchcoat swooshing behind him. Tyra would have said that he's making his own wind machine, and being an angel I have no doubt he can do that without walking. He is just that badass. That, and seeing him speaking with all three of the boys (Sam, Dean and Bobby) had me squeeing because he only just spoke either Dean mostly last season, with a little Sam on the side. But now? He's interacting with more humans! God, I love this.

++ CASTIEL ALL GROWLY AND GETTING DEFENSIVE ABOUT HIS FAITH = PANTIES GO S'PLODEY. Castiel should do that all the time, or at least when necessary. Which is all the time. Because HOT DAMN.

++ Misha was extra pretty in this episode. If that's even possible. *___*

++ Bobby in a wheelchair makes me sad, though it's a nice obstacle for him too. I just hope he isn't that bitter crippled man. We already have Greggory House for that, Bobby. At least be badass in a wheelchair, with a shotgun. That would be awesome.

++ The Enochian sigils via x-ray was awesome. Way cool, and I loved not only is Dean curious as to what Castiel carved onto their ribs, but the continuity of showing us, the audience, that it wasn't just some ploy to have the boys not be stalked by Zachariah and his posse every five minutes. That, and another continuity yay was for Castiel to call to ask where the boys were instead of actually popping in unexpectedly. Because of his power limitations. Awesome. I love this show.

++ Dean giving Castiel his Samulet (that's what people are calling it?), that totally is the exchanging of relationship status amirite? Next episode will be their first date. I want Castiel to wear it. ♥

++ Episode title = MAJOR LULZ. XDDDD

++ THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE MOTHERFUCKING APOCALYPSE!!!! War was absolutely awesome, and I truly hope that he isn't gone forever. He was amazing, and I love that they left the door open for him and the other three to appear later at some point. Because this is HUGE in biblical terms of the Revelation. Zachariah wasn't kidding about it all being unleashed, but I bet he's having a blast seeing humanity turn on each other though. Heh. Anyway, this was way better than what they tried to do with the Seven Deadly Sins from season three. Way better, because it's APOCALYPTIC SHIT and I love it. It's classic End of the World stuff happening, with the SPN twist (War riding in a red car? HOLY SHIT AWESOME!)

++ THE HARVELLE WOMEN ARE BACK BIATCHES, HELLS YEAH! I missed Ellen and Jo so fucking much, fuck anyone that hated them. I loved the continuity of bringing them back. Ellen is fucking hardcore. Jo kicked ass, too. Mother and daughter hunting together, I totally called this in my fanon universe. Love it being featured on the show. ♥ ♥

++ How many times does Dean have to get splashed with holy water? LOL

++ RUFUS!!! Being a cranky badass is made of win. I loved him saying in the end "I am getting too old for this" and then ripping the gun from that boy's hands. OMG ILU RUFUS! Bitter old man that you are. XDDD

++ The twist created by War, where there really wasn't any demons at all but was all an illusion so humanity could turn against one another out of fear and hatred and panic? I love it, it's so dark and it really does make you think, doesn't it? I also kept thinking what head!Six said in BSG: "If there's one thing we know about human beings with certainty...they are masters at self-destruction." Which is frighteningly true. What better way to end the world than by not pure evil or demons or a holy war between Heaven and Hell and God and Lucifer, but by ourselves? That's some scary shit right there.

++ SITING: Did anyone else see that when Sam stabbed the two teenagers that he thought were possessed, the knife didn't glow as it usually did when it kills a demon? That should have been the first indicator that something was wrong. Also, Sam eying the blood -- it being normal human blood instead of demon blood, is Sam just addicted to blood in general?

++ DEVELOPMENT: Dean going for planning what to do next instead of chasing after Sam. He really is maturing and rising up from where he was before, thinking of the larger picture instead of just the minor things, even if it is his brother. Sam can take care of himself, he doesn't need his big brother to help him. Again, they are both separating for a reason, this is one of them. ALSO, notice Dean figuring shit out without Sam there, understanding this is Revelation related and going for the Bible and picking out the passage. Now, one would ask how would Dean know what to look for? He's not stupid, he knows how to piece things together. Especially since in the past year or so he has been researching things about angels and prophecies and whatnot. I HAVE NO DOUBT DEAN WOULD DO THIS, SINCE HE IS CONNECTED TO IT ALL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! HE QUOTED SCRIPTURE FOR GOODNESS SAKES! That should make Castiel proud.

++ ENDING: Sad as it is, as I wrote above Sam and Dean going separate ways is necessary. I am happy they are doing this and it's really showing the development of their relationship, while it's broken now it'll be repaired later. I love it.

++ Love all the lines from tonight, many lulz to be had. DEAN REFERENCED LORD OF THE RINGS! XD

++ Also, the scenery in this episode was absolutely gorgeous. Just saying, beautiful shots. Particularly the last once with Sam and Dean sitting on the picnic bench.

++ PREVIEW FOR NEXT WEEK: ;ALSKJDF;LKASJDF;LKAJS;DLFKJAL;SDFJA;LSDJFL;ASJKDFL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tbat is all.


Overall: I really loved this episode, it was absolutely amazing. Going for the darker turn of things, showing that the Apocalypse is truly here, that they aren't fucking around, is awesome. The fact that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are featured means we'll be seeing more of them, I'm hoping. Having old characters from previous seasons reappear again is great, and these are recurring characters that I love. So, yay. Also, they didn't die. So far two episodes into the season, no females or POC have been killed. Those really concerned about those statistics should really be happy, except there's the brother wank happening which, of course, being Supernatural fandom there has to be SOMETHING to bitch about. Oh well, still doesn't ruin how amazing this episode was. I, of course, loved seeing Castiel being a BAMF and just cute and amazing as always, and seeing the boys at odds ends and the hunting job was spectacular. Just, everything. This season is off to an amazing start. ♥

Next episode, Dean and Castiel go on their first date together and Castiel rides shotgun. Oh, and Jessica reappears and Sam meets Lucifer. DUN DUN DUN! Should be epic fun! :DD


Let the wankfest in fandom begin! *grabs popcorn and front row seats to the batshittery*
 
 
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The Large Purple Weed: Dean/Castiel - worth dying fortracy on September 19th, 2009 04:01 am (UTC)
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HERE, especially about Castiel's desperate faith, but I've already gone on and on about that elsewhere so I won't do it again.

What I do want to say is, I find his faith in Dean very interesting. You said:

having only his faith in God and Dean beside him

Dean BESIDE HIM, I think that's key. He no longer views Dean as some kind of messiah, I think, since Dean failed. It shows in the way he's annoyed with Dean, in the way he's standing up to Dean and bitching him out, etc. At first, his seeming loss of faith in Dean kind of made me sad, but then I thought, if he doesn't view Dean as the messiah so much anymore, then he can view Dean as more of a friend and an equal. You know, beside him, like you said. This? I love this.

Re: the wankfest. Avoidance is beautiful. -.-
Renée: Dean/Castiel.rogueslayer452 on September 19th, 2009 06:36 am (UTC)
Castiel thinking of Dean as an equal is so much better than a messiah, because they are one in the same now. He isn't the righteous man to him, he is just simply Dean Winchester. I love that they have their little lover quarrels here and there, that Castiel sees his flaws, but also accepts those flaws and they are both together. As equals, friends, confidants. It's just so much love seeing that, seeing how much Castiel has grown since last season and seeing him and Dean still together, it is just love. ♥

I do avoid most of the wank in the fandom, but I've seen this about the brothers breaking apart so many times it's like, dude. Fandom. Have you learned nothing over the years? It isn't forever.

I also get very defensive when it comes to anyone trying to diss Castiel/Misha, but it's still kind of hilarious anyone would even think he was a factor in any of this. Because we all know this rift between them would have happened eventually.
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Renée: Castiel. Harp.rogueslayer452 on September 19th, 2009 06:17 am (UTC)
And, I love that Castiel admits that he did what he did FOR DEAN. I love that he knows it, too.

Yes, exactly. We've known this as it was clearly evidenced last season, everything he's done has been for Dean. But to have it being acknowledged, being put into words by Castiel himself, makes it even more worthwhile. Castiel is just so much love, particularly because he's been showing his emotions more now, and I love that. And I agree about him not being happy about being cut off from Heaven. It must be disheartening because Heaven is the only home he knows, and now he's being hunted by those of his own kin, and it had been for nothing more than the hunch that maybe, just maybe, the world could have been saved. It's his first real decision made for himself and it's letdown by it, but still sticks by Dean, which is very endearing indeed.

Especially as you said Castiel only has two things he believes in God and Dean. And, well, Dean let him down. So, he's clinging to the idea that God isn't capable of letting him down. Unlike a human.

It makes sense, because Dean being human he's imperfect, he has flaws. God does not, and Castiel has deep faith his entire existence of God Almighty being perfect. It really is paralleling between Dean's dedication and loyalty to his own father, John, as well. I really love those connections. I am liking where they're going with him here, his journey of finding God and clinging to his faith. There's something so beautiful and cute about it, even though I'm sure he will be somewhat disappointed somewhere down the road. I don't want sad!Castiel, but I just want his soul-searching journey to not be for nothing. He still has Dean, flawed as he is.

He didn't want to fall...he didn't want to see what free will and emotions were like, all the things of human experience. He simply wanted to keep one thing. Dean. And for that, he lost everything.

That is something that differentiates him from all the other angels. He doesn't want to become human, he doesn't want to fall and lose his grace for selfish reasons; he still wants to be amongst his brothers and sisters in Heaven, he still wants to be accepted and not hunted, he wants things to be the way they were without all the lies and corruption that is happening. He doesn't want there to be a dividing line, and in "Lucifer Rising" he had to make that choice. Either go with the plan or go with Dean, he chose Dean because he felt it was the right choice. And in doing so thinking that perhaps things will end up okay.

This is huge development for Castiel. He doesn't quite know how to handle this massive change, or handle being hunted and rebelling against his own kind. It's difficult for him, and I am loving where this is taking his and Dean's relationship. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

I love reading your thoughts. They make me squee all over.

Awww, thank you. ♥
Tracy: Dean Croppedalexwhitman25 on September 19th, 2009 04:29 am (UTC)
This post is so much win. You basically have said everything I've been trying to say/have been thinking all day.

The parallels of Cas/God and Dean/John make me so fangirly - it's ridic. The defensiveness and vehemence when someone dares to say something negative or uncalled for.

Also love Cas's hurt and disillusionment. He risked everything and put all his faith in Dean and it all blew up in his pretty little face. This is most likely the first time he has ever experienced anything like this and it's great to watch him working through it.

This fandom is just...there are no words. I was so pissy/annoyed at it today that I actually posted at TwoP, which I haven't felt the need to do since my VM days. That was in addition to my babbly post in my LJ about it.

The boys splitting right now, going their seperate ways because they recognize that there are issues that need to be dealt with and that things need to change is just so perfect. Like you said, I LOVE KRIPKE FOR DOING THIS. How many times can we watch the boys pull the same old patterns of behavior and gloss over things. We are getting growth - praise be!!! Dean is realizing that his sole purpose in life can't be to watch out and cover for Sam and is looking at the bigger picture. Sam is realizing that he has flaws and needs to accept responsibility for his actions. I effing love it. Only good things can come of this. And it was a NECCESSARY step for these characters to take at some point in this series. Their codependent relationship was unhealthy and they needed to grow and evolve at some point. It would have happened with or without Castiel in the picture. Like I said in my post, the brothers actually can and should bond with other characters without it being viewed as some kind of betrayal. So STFD you hand wringing crazies.

I mean if this show wouldn't have grown and went in a new direction after Season 3, I don't that I'd still be watching. Watching stagnant and static characters and plotting isn't my cup of tea. The addition of the angelverse and all it entails has added so much to this show and really re-energized it. I'm loving this season and can't wait for more.

Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on September 19th, 2009 06:31 am (UTC)
The parallels of Cas/God and Dean/John make me so fangirly - it's ridic. The defensiveness and vehemence when someone dares to say something negative or uncalled for

Yes, precisely, and I am super flailing over this parallel ever since like, last season. They compared Dean's loyalty to his father to Castiel following orders from God, and here there's even more apparent connections because Dean would never have allowed any badmouthing about John from anyone. Castiel feels the same way when someone talks about God in such a dismissive manner, even if it's from Dean. Definitely some lovers quarrel there, of course.

And you are so right, this is the first time Castiel has to deal with winging situations when he's never done so before. He's always had orders, regulations, superiors. Heaven. Now, he has to make his own choices and decisions. The first big decision in the season finale pretty much backfired, but he has to live with it. Learning about the human way of dealing with such incidents. And he's doing so...with Dean. How much do I love this?

This fandom is just...there are no words. I was so pissy/annoyed at it today that I actually posted at TwoP, which I haven't felt the need to do since my VM days. That was in addition to my babbly post in my LJ about it.

Believe me bb, I understand. Fans sometimes don't really take things into perspective, instead the knee-jerk reaction is just there and they stand by it no matter what. It's so frustrating, especially those who are so anti-Dean/Castiel or deep in Castiel-hate (WHY I HAVE NO IDEA, PPL ARE CRAZY IF THEY ARE HATING ON POOR ADORABLE CAS!), but still kind of hilarious because of the ridiculous things they are saying. KRIPKE IS ABANDONING SAM! THE SHOW IS NOT THE SAMNDEAN SHOW ANYMORE! OH NOES!

Utterly ridiculous. They are actually having character growth and development, moving onward instead of taking a few steps back or standing in the mud. It makes sense after all they've been through to take a break, have some space, and then later reunite in a stronger sense of brotherhood. That is what I am looking forward to seeing and how they'll get there.

I mean if this show wouldn't have grown and went in a new direction after Season 3, I don't that I'd still be watching. Watching stagnant and static characters and plotting isn't my cup of tea. The addition of the angelverse and all it entails has added so much to this show and really re-energized it. I'm loving this season and can't wait for more.

Pretty much all of this. I feel the same way, season three was mostly filler and a lackluster season in general (aside from the awesomeness of Katie Cassidy). Adding the angels and religious theology into the show's own mythology really did re-energize the entire show, and I am happy it did. I became more interested once it happened and I am loving where it's taking us.
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: because you're wreckedsapphirestar_ on September 19th, 2009 11:43 am (UTC)
Did anyone else see that when Sam stabbed the two teenagers that he thought were possessed, the knife didn't glow as it usually did when it kills a demon? That should have been the first indicator that something was wrong. Also, Sam eying the blood -- it being normal human blood instead of demon blood, is Sam just addicted to blood in general?

YES to the first, and as for the second ... when i first saw the scene, i thought sam went all HOSHIT on it because he realised it wasn't demon blood, that something was wrong. of course, that wasn't it, but yeah, that does make me wonder - did sam just think it was demon blood (because of war and his lovely hallucinations) or is it, as you said, just blood in general? what is it about the blood that makes sam so - physically, because it's not just about the power - addicted to it?

also, BAMF CAS IS FABULOUS, because no comment should go without mentioning castiel and his badassery. :D
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on September 19th, 2009 11:04 pm (UTC)
did sam just think it was demon blood (because of war and his lovely hallucinations) or is it, as you said, just blood in general? what is it about the blood that makes sam so - physically, because it's not just about the power - addicted to it?

I think it's all in his head, that while Ruby had insisted that she played him by thinking he needed the blood because the power and strength were inside him the whole time, he still thinks he needs demon blood to become stronger. Hell, she manipulated him for months and months, Lord knows how much blood he consumed in that time. It's like a drug addict thing. He knows it won't do him any good but, despite it all, he thinks he still needs it to function in life. To become powerful.

Which is why he needs to take a break from hunting, from his brother, to heal himself mentally, psychologically and physically. But it does make you wonder, why he doesn't have his powers now? Or if it's still there it's just gone dormant again, or he needs that slight push before going off.

CASTIEL IS SO BADASS AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK! :DDD
icecoldrain: Bones - Booth ?!?!icecoldrain on September 19th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
How many times does Dean have to get splashed with holy water? LOL
That's what I thought lol.

Did anyone else see that when Sam stabbed the two teenagers that he thought were possessed, the knife didn't glow as it usually did when it kills a demon?
I noticed that Bobby was possessed but I miss this? What the crap lol. I'll have to rewatch this and be like :O over it lol.
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on September 19th, 2009 10:59 pm (UTC)
It's his curse, I guess. I was wondering though, why didn't Ellen splash holy water onto Sam? There was a distance between them aside from that one scene with them together searching the town, so I don't know what that was about.

I noticed that Bobby was possessed but I miss this? What the crap lol. I'll have to rewatch this and be like :O over it lol.

Hehe, well, I first noticed it and at first I thought "well, perhaps it was just a normal knife" until I was like, wait a minute. A normal knife or weapon wouldn't kill demons. It was at this point I knew something was off about it all, and it really makes you wonder how messed up Sam is in his own head when he's eying the blood...which just happens to be normal human blood.
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a child dizzy on lemonade: dean/castiel = otpfalsebeginnings on September 19th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
Dean going for planning what to do next instead of chasing after Sam. He really is maturing and rising up from where he was before, thinking of the larger picture instead of just the minor things, even if it is his brother.
YES! I loved this entire episode because we see Dean slowly making his way into becoming his own person and it is awesome. And OMG Dean/Castiel next week is going to be epic, I'm going to flail like a crazy person everytime they're onscreen together.

Also, Castiel getting all up on Dean like that? HOT!

Also:
"Great, now I feel naked."
"I'll keep in touch."
Clearly this is foreshadowing something...
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Peaceful.rogueslayer452 on September 19th, 2009 10:54 pm (UTC)
And it's interesting when people get all defensive about the boys splitting apart like that, as if they have to be one in order to function. I've already seen one person post a rant about how S4 and S5 are "ruining the show" because of it. Which is just ridiculous because they NEED this time apart to become individual people. Instead of worrying about the other they need to focus on themselves, and that right there? That's a healthy relationship. I'm happy that Dean is finally standing on his own two feet now, it was great seeing him figure things out on his own.

Seeing the preview and the spoilery clip for next week, it's going to be the Dean/Castiel episode we've all been dying for. \o/ I love their scenes together. ♥

Clearly this is foreshadowing something...

Clearly. ;D
ErinRua: Fear Hopeerinrua on September 19th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to say WORD to all your awesome words. ;-) You've pretty much nailed it all - LOL, including the fandom wank. *g*

Yes, Sam and Dean need to be apart! I called it right after the season premiere, told my hubby, "If they were a married couple, somebody would be sleeping on the couch or staying with friends, about now." It's healthy. There's not a damn thing either one can do for the other right now. They've both got way too much to do to take care of themselves, to gear up for the fight to come.

Also, fandom forgets, it's been all summer for us ... but to the boys, it's only been a week (or less) since they were beating the crap out of each other, and saying things that can't be taken back. So far as Sam knows, his brother left a message labeling him a monster. So far as Dean knows, he poured out his heart in that message to Sam, and yet Sam utterly ignored it to go on his merry way.

They've done too much to each other to NOT be apart, just for a while. And if fandom would just freakin' breathe for five minutes, they'd realize we and the boys can survive a couple or three episodes of the boys sorting out who they are and how to be.

So. Yeah. Batshittery in five ... four ... three ... two ... *g*

Thank you for all the thinky and squee!
Cheers ~

Erin
P.S.
Not only did War have a cherry ride, but our first horseman rode ... a Ford Mustang! THAT ROCKS SO HARD! Hee!
ErinRua: Brainerinrua on September 19th, 2009 11:42 pm (UTC)
And I am SO sorry for some of those sentences, LOL!
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mteemtee on September 20th, 2009 12:05 am (UTC)
In the past years, I've allowed myself to be sucked into the wank --trying to make people see sense and quit freaking out.

This year........ nope. I am not going on any chat groups etc. I am only reading reviews that are positive and insightful. If this is to be the last season... and who knows... then I'm watching only for myself and those who can't get past "their guy" being dissed or not getting air time or being cast in a bad light can freak on their own time.

I loved your review. I agree with it. This show has always tried to maintain some reality despite the premise. And family sometimes has to be apart to stay together.

Marriages sometime need a trial separation to grow stronger. I'm not going into the Wincest here, but living in each other's pockets is very similar.... the boys have always shoved their feelings aside (especially Dean.. hide it/pretend everything's good). But there comes a time when actions have very real consequences. Sam is right to leave, to admit he's scaring himself. To find out where all this need comes from. Demons can't turn you against your brother if there isn't something inside you that is being allowed out.

Dean needs to learn to live on his own, without the "role" he's been living since he was 4. He needs to find out that he's more than Sam's brother/John's son/Castiel's weapon.

They will be back... for crying out loud... Kripke's show is about the brothers and this is just another journey.

Castiel... wow he was intense. He does need to realize the role Zach and those like him played in keeping Dean from Sam at the very end.

You made some great observations. Thank you.
Renée: Castiel. Harp.rogueslayer452 on September 20th, 2009 09:39 pm (UTC)
Usually I stay away from the drama fandom creates because it's not worth it, it spoils the fun out of enjoying the show if one is continuing whining about it. But these days, particularly since last season when introducing Castiel and the theological matter into the show and having the boys pit against each other to now with them separating, I am amused by some people claiming that Kripke is "ruining the show" by abandoning the brotherhood. It's so absurd it's hilarious, in my opinion.

I loved your review. I agree with it. This show has always tried to maintain some reality despite the premise. And family sometimes has to be apart to stay together.

Exactly. The boys can't stay together like they have been otherwise they'd be suffocating each other, losing their perspective due to being distracted by either each other and what's happening inside their heads. It's realistic that Kripke has them doing this, which was predictable since last season and I had hoped they went in this direction after the finale. People in any type of relationship need a breather and time apart in order to be healthier and stronger, instead of just a temporary thing of "forgive and forget", which goes nowhere fast because those feelings are being suppressed and will only explode later on. That is not helping anything but stalling what needs to be fixed in the first place, and that is what Sam and Dean are doing by going their separate ways.

Sam is right to leave, to admit he's scaring himself. To find out where all this need comes from. Demons can't turn you against your brother if there isn't something inside you that is being allowed out.

That is a very good point. Sam needs to have some self-discovery of his own, because he's not in the right headspace right now, and he has to figure out what that something is in order to overcome it and become a better, more stable, Sam Winchester to return to his brother.

I'm loving that Dean is doing the same, too. Not relying on his "man of the family" and "righteous man" status everyone is expecting of him, he wants to find himself. Find a certain kind of retribution because of everything he's endured last season, with the guilt and the anger, he should focus all that energy in doing his job and just be Dean Winchester.

They will be back... for crying out loud... Kripke's show is about the brothers and this is just another journey.

Just another obstacle they need to overcome in their journey as brothers. It has always been and always will be, and nothing is going to change that. This is just another step towards the evolution of how they'll become in the near future, stronger and better. Because they are stronger as a family, but they simply cannot continue on the way they were. There are trust issues they need to work out, and they will. It will just take some time, is all.

Thank you for commenting. It's great to see more people having sensible minds at looking at what is happening in the show than just what's on the surface.
shadowc44shadowc44 on September 20th, 2009 12:13 am (UTC)
Yes, all this makes so much sense! As much as it pains me to watch, Sam and Dean need to separate for a while. They get so wrapped up in each other they can't always see the big picture. They need perspective, which means getting away from each other.

What I really thought was a huge step for Sam was that instead of sneaking off in the middle of the night while Dean was sleeping, he calmly told Dean, to his face, that he was leaving and why. It seemed like he wanted Dean to stop him, and was surprised Dean didn't. The fact that Dean offered him the Impala should have reassured him that Dean still loves him. While Dean still can't trust Sam...he trusts Sam with his baby, the one thing he has left in this world that really matters. If he really thought Sam was irredeemably evil, a monster, someone he couldn't turn his back on, he wouldn't have offered to give up the car.

It's always interesting to watch how people react to dramatic interruptions in the status quo of a beloved show. Kripke has made it clear in different interviews that the show is about both brothers, so it's not like he's going to keep them apart forever. Also, I don't like it when I can always predict the outcome of every storyline. As satisfying as it can be to be able to say, "I was right!", it's often more entertaining to say, "I didn't see that coming, and it was awesome!" So I'm going to continue to trust in Kripke, because he loves this show, and isn't messing it up just to frustrate the fans.
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Forgiven.rogueslayer452 on September 20th, 2009 10:44 am (UTC)
I was impressed with how they both handled this, too. How honest they were being with each other, and the fact that Dean offered the Impala, his baby, truly shows that he still loves his brother and knows that he's sorry, but they are just at that odds end where trust cannot be won back easily like a simple apology. They both need this space and I'm happy they did it in this fashion instead of, say, another intense fight like before. It showed us that growth, that they were on the same page, mutually agreeing that things were messed up and it wasn't going to get better if they continued on the way it was. I liked that.

I also have a feeling that maybe they might just still stay in touch even when apart, like what happened in "Scarecrow" for example. Because despite this rift, they're not going to not contact the other just to say "hey" or something.

It's always interesting to watch how people react to dramatic interruptions in the status quo of a beloved show. Kripke has made it clear in different interviews that the show is about both brothers, so it's not like he's going to keep them apart forever

Precisely. They've had their hiccups in their relationship before and have always come back together, one way or another. This time, however, is a huge difference from the other times so it'll take longer, but it's not like Kripke is abandoning the brothers. Fandom can get so wound up tight over the littlest things, it's almost hilarious if it wasn't for the batshit part that makes me facepalm in embarrassment.

I, too, trust in Kripke. He knows where he's going with the direction of his show, and I honestly think he is amused by the fans going crazy. In fact, I think he relishes in it since he loves fucking with us.
OhBooth: Cas Sneakyohbooth on September 20th, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
Holy goodness, due to my killed internet time, I can't read all that, but I got the gist you like :)

I am holding back on committing to 'amazing start' cause I thought the first one was a bit all over the place, but that doesn't mean that oveall it won't be an amazing season. As you know, I like the separation of the brothers at the moment, so I am happy about that :) It's weird, and maybe I am just off lately, but I am not as giddy about it as I have been in previous seasons, although I am looking forward tomore Cas, but I am so fearing the Bobby stuff, it's gonna be hard ta watch/accept if he doesn't walk soon...

Oh, and do you think it is actually Lucifer? He can't find Sam with that sigil thing right? maybe its in his mind...IDK, I am just thinking that they wouldn't have a showdown just yet- OMG! LOL, maybe he just wants to thank Sammy, I say he should have sent a fruit basket!
Renée: Castiel. Harp.rogueslayer452 on September 20th, 2009 07:54 am (UTC)
The premiere did have a lot of things crammed in, didn't it? I'm thinking since we picked up where we left off there was a lot of action going on and introduced us to some other revelations. They could have spaced it out though.

As you know, I like the separation of the brothers at the moment, so I am happy about that :) It's weird, and maybe I am just off lately, but I am not as giddy about it as I have been in previous seasons

You know, the interesting thing is I'm kinda the same way a bit. Originally last season I had thought if the brothers were going to be separated it would be with them on opposing ends. Kind of what we had in 4.21 and 4.22, except stretched out longer. I had wanted that huge climatic brother versus brother battle in some manner, either before or after the rising of Lucifer. But that was just something I had been anticipating for a long time, but that doesn't have me less excited with the direction they're taking the brothers now. The impact is more emotional because they aren't on the same page anymore and they both know it, and had the mutual agreement to part ways. I like it, a lot.

Bobby is one tough guy, he'll manage. But I am worried too, since he seems more bitter and defenseless without being able to wander about. I wonder how long he'll stay in the hospital, and how he'll defend himself against demons or other forces in this war (and really...how did a demon possess Bobby in the first place?)

I'm thinking Lucifer appears to Sam in his dreams, just like how he appeared to his vessel as a women. I'm also thinking that perhaps he just might thank Sam along with persuading him in joining his side, disguised as Jessica. Because Lucifer does play the sympathetic card really well, and since Sam isn't in a good place at this time he's incredibly vulnerable. I don't know if it'll work, since this is the temptation that led him down the path that separated him and Dean, but you never know.
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bold_seer: noirishbold_seer on September 20th, 2009 06:55 am (UTC)
the scene itself is symbolic for the trusting relationship between Dean and Castiel, how reluctant and hesitant Dean is to handing it over at first, but does it anyway.

Still, he caved in rather quickly, and his no was more of an automatic no than a I will absolutely not give it to you no. It's a glorious scene.

It's also symbolic to the separation of Sam and Dean, which doesn't necessarily mean that Castiel is replacing Sam by any means

This.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on September 20th, 2009 07:29 am (UTC)
Especially since he has never taken off or given his necklace to anyone before, it's precious to him and having the situation where he has to give it up definitely gave him that "no" response immediately. But this is Castiel, and he knows and trusts Castiel. He knows he'll be careful with it, but needs to say it to make sure.

It truly was a glorious scene. And it was the first of the episode, which had me giddy for the rest of the hour.
TheSummoningDark: epic flaily joythe_summoning_d on September 20th, 2009 11:34 am (UTC)
A WORLD OF YES :D :D :D :D :D
*wants to reply intelligently but is too busy flailing*
Renée: Castiel. Cute and sneaky.rogueslayer452 on September 20th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you! ;D It's just nice to see more sensible people thinking along the same lines. Which I'm sure there are a lot more people, but fandom is split down the middle at the moment from what I've seen.
Delusions of a TV Addict: Cas/Dean B&Wsqueemonster on September 21st, 2009 07:10 pm (UTC)
THIS. ALL OF THIS. I AGREE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY. *applauds*

Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on September 21st, 2009 11:00 pm (UTC)
Thank you. :D Capslocky comment makes me happy. I also see that you've friended me, as well (by which that probably means you liked my review so much to friend me, yes? ;D)
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Renée: Slytherclaw. Thinking is dangerous.rogueslayer452 on September 28th, 2009 11:01 pm (UTC)
No seriously, I was about to cry with all the people hating on Dean over the separation. I am so happy to find someone who also thinks that it's freaking necessary dammit.

Not only hate Dean, but hate on Kripke for taking this well-needed and long-time-coming direction, hell even hating on Castiel because of his interference with the show. Which is ridiculous and only the bitterness of Sam/Dean diehards that feel like the show should only be about Sam and Dean and no one else. Butthurt much?

The brothers need this time apart, otherwise how will they evolve and grow?

Thank you for the comment. It's so great seeing others out there with sensible understanding of what is happening, which I am happy about.