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19 December 2009 @ 05:35 pm
And this is why I love Joss Whedon, sfm.  
Last night's Dollhouse was absolutely fucking legendary, I can't even begin to explain it. Yet I will, because that's how I roll.


I just have to say that the fact that they're really leading up to "Epitaph One" is just so utterly awesome, from the technology to the events happening. I'm quite positive that I wouldn't be this excited if I hadn't known what was to come, because otherwise it would be too confusing. But the fact that we know is helpful and, perhaps this is just a fan thing, but it makes me giddy and smiling that this is the particular road they've been heading towards.

Also, I still really wished they'd started with this mythology from the very beginning instead of the engagement of the weeks because, as much as I love Eliza, the darker mythology stuff is far more interesting and it sets the mystery about what is happening in this universe. That is how you grab an audience's attention, not parading half-naked women around and promoting the show like that's all it is, because it's not. It's far more complicated and complex and this season really brings that to light, and it's awesome and fuck you FOX for not realizing that. /soapbox

As for the episodes themselves, HOLY FUCKING SHIT were they ever so phenomenally amazing and epic.

"Stop-Loss" gave us plenty of Enver/Victor screentime, which yay! We knew of his military background and something had happened which led him to go into the Dollhouse in the first place, and to actually see him, with his real name no less, is so awesome. Since we had Priya's backstory it's nice to see his, Tony's, as well. Although I'll always see him as Victor. He'll always be Victor to us, I think. Also, YAY FOR HIM REMEMBERING SIERRA/PRIYA! THAT WE KNEW HE WOULD. BECAUSE THEIR LOVE IS LIKE WHOA. AND AWW AT THEM MAKING DINNER DATES AND ACTING LIKE AN ADORABLE LITTLE COUPLE, AND THEM TALKING ABOUT THEMSELVES. ♥ SO MUCH CUTENESS.

This episode also gives us a look into other divisions besides the Dollhouse which Rossum is using with their advanced technology, and how utterly scary it is knowing that these people will never leave the system once getting into it. There truly is no escape, and that's terrifying. Also, this particular tech allows soldiers to have a group-mind, seeing and hearing everything, losing one's own identity and individuality. It's like Big Brother, in that way. Hell, Rossum in general is Big Brother, this is like Big Brother's second-half or something. More terrifying notions to ponder, because essentially this is what some corporations do think about, and can you imagine having something like that now? *shudders* I'm very happy that they got Victor out from there, and that Victor and Priya have seen each other as themselves, in their original personalities. Again, with the sweetness.

I have words about Adelle Dewitt, and I have to say that her character is perhaps the most intriguing and threw me through a loop of wondering about her motivations and where her loyalties lie. And quite frankly, she had me going there for a second, and I am SO VERY HAPPY that she really did have a plan of action after all. I don't think I could have liked having cold!Adelle for much longer, because she's not like that at all.

I mean, sure, she's certainly the HBIC at the LA Dollhouse and is very hardass when she needs to be, but she's only one woman against a highly powerful corporation that could easily take her out of the picture just like that (i.e. her being demoted previously was like a reality check to her, putting her in line, so to speak). But knowing that everything that's happened is driving her out of her mind, and she knows that Rossum is very well hiding things, she devised such a plan of action that after it was revealed of her clear motivations of gathering people together, rallying them up as her own little army of soldiers, I was relieved. I never believed Adelle could turn this coldly on her own for people at Rossum, and her taking back her power and going to be fighting back is made of major awesome.

I have this urge to write a meta about Adelle Dewitt, because not only do I love her character, I feel like she needs to have something written up about how her position and her personal feelings clash and are more complicated than anyone thinks, especially this season.

In any case, how wacky-crazy and utterly FUCKED UP is the setup for the Attic? Seriously, I had speculated and thought about what the Attic could be and how the bodies were treated, but I never thought it would be something to that extreme. It was very creeepy and just, omg. Joss, you twisted, demented man, I love you so hard right now.

"The Attic" was just spectacular, I fell in love with everything about it. The Attic itself, for one, was so fucked up and creepy and just the worst nightmare you could ever imagine, but fascinating at the same time because what is revealed about the origins of the Attic, and of Rossum in general, makes it all Matrix-like and terrifying; I mean, being hooked up to computers, all the people in the Attic being the mainframe of Rossum, their fears are fouling the corporation? Just, whoa. Twisted shit right there, y'all. Also the fact that everyone who is set up into the Attic has to relive their worst nightmares, repeating the loops over and over again, is the same kind of scenario of what Hell is like (and it's what Adelle references as well, that it's the kind of personal Hell you think of, and it's true). Dreams, what people are afraid of, their weaknesses and their strengths, human minds in particular are mysterious things. It's a wonder why they experiment and torment people who go in the Attic and use them as fuel, testing their limits.

The dream-sequences were amazing, and since this is Joss Whedon we know he loves having weird/twisted kinda sequences like this. Bizarre, twisted, out-of-place interconnected scenes and situations, adding in the Man with the Rabbit being the cousin to the Man with the Cheese from BTVS, same with having that strange mysterious intruder jumping from mind to mind killing others.

I also liked that they could mind-hop, and everyone hooked up in the Attic are connected through this system. That's pretty dangerous for Rossum, especially when those who are trapped there become aware of this pattern and do what Echo did. Well, it's not like Rossum is a smart corporation anyway, heh.

DOMINIC! DOMINIC AND ECHO WORKING TOGETHER, TEAMING UP TOGETHER! I LOVE THIS SO MUCH! And Dominic looking all scruffy and tired and in kinda casual wear too, I loved it so much. I missed Dominic, and since "Epitaph One" I wondered when we'd be seeing him again, because come on, it's Dominic! *shameless Dominic fangirl*

NGL, I KINDA SQUEALED WITH DELIGHT SEEING VICTOR AND SIERRA IN BED TOGETHER! :D Before it turned into dead!Nolan. *shudders*

BTW, the reason why the two Victors fighting looked realistic is because THAT WAS ENVER'S ACTUAL TWIN BROTHER! TWIN. BROTHER. ON DOLLHOUSE. BRB SQUEEING WITH GLEE. :DDDDDD

EPITAPH ONE FUTURE! "THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME"! LOL JOSS USING YOUR BSG FANBOYISHNESS AGAIN, ILU!

Oh yummy, cannibalism. "Enjoying myself" could not have been more ironic, dude. Wow. I kinda love Joss for going in that direction though, he is not shying away from that kinda stuff. Dude was EATING HIS OWN FLESH from his DECAPITATED LEGS. I think I saw this in a film somewhere too (except it was dude eating his own fingers within the sushi, but still, same concept).

Just, pretty episode is pretty. And freaky. Pretty freaky and creepy, but mostly pretty. I am in awe. Also, the dialogue was ON FIRE here, omg.

Again, I will say, Adelle rallying everyone together, including the renewed (and imprinted with his own personality which I knew would happen) Paul Ballard along with Ivy, and having Echo go into the Attic to find out crucial information which would be Rossum's Achilles heel so they can take them down, is just flat out awesome and epic and superb. I should have known this would happen, but it's Joss. Anything can happen inside that brilliant evil genius brain of his.

And this is where they become the Dollhouse Scoobies. ♥ I had first thought that the Echo/Victor/Sierra/November team from last season were the Dollhouse Scoobies, but this just seems much more epic. :D

So, Caroline knows something about Rossum which could potentially harm them, and that is why she was wiped in the first place. That is why Echo is so special, at least one reason. Honestly, I really love self-aware!Echo that I don't know if I wanna know who Caroline is or was before, even if she does hold certain information. I don't hate Caroline, since we hardly know her, but the fact that right now all I can think about is Echo > Caroline, even though Echo is essentially Caroline at the core, you know? Echo is Caroline without all the experiences Caroline had that shaped her to be Caroline from before, Echo has been shaped through her own experiences in the Dollhouse which makes her Echo, not Caroline.

Man, that looks so complicated when written out yet it makes total sense to me, lol.

So who knows what will happen...are they going to fully imprint Caroline into Echo, is Echo that strong to hold all those personalities plus her original personality as well, or is Caroline going to be it if that happens? Because I am wondering how that is all gonna work out, since we don't want to lose Echo + all those personalities which she's able to control now.

I'm also wondering, what exactly did they take away from Paul? His libido? His obsession with Echo/Caroline? They never did say.

Anyway...I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH AND THERE ARE ONLY THREE EPISODES LEFT AND OMG WHUT.


And this is precisely why FOX SUCKS. AGAIN. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE AMAZING SHIT LIKE THIS AND CRITICS RAVING ABOUT IT YOU SHOULD KEEP IT ON THE AIR. NOT CANCEL IT YOU FUCKTARDS. UGH. FUCK YOUR RATINGS SYSTEM IN THE ASS.
 
 
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Shoneé: AG light wingscarletfbl on December 20th, 2009 01:49 am (UTC)
FOX SUCKS. AGAIN. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE AMAZING SHIT LIKE THIS AND CRITICS RAVING ABOUT IT YOU SHOULD KEEP IT ON THE AIR. NOT CANCEL IT YOU FUCKTARDS. UGH. FUCK YOUR RATINGS SYSTEM IN THE ASS.

Mte & lol. XD
Renée: Echo. Save Dollhouse.rogueslayer452 on December 20th, 2009 03:06 am (UTC)
HEE! ;D

I still wish a network like SciFi could have picked it up or something, because this season has been rocking hardcore and how can anyone refuse the genius mind of Joss Whedon? Seriously. FOX should have learned their lesson. Leave Joss to his devices and don't intervene, and you'll get a kickass show.
noybusiness on December 20th, 2009 01:52 am (UTC)
Also, this particular tech allows soldiers to have a group-mind, seeing and hearing everything, losing one's own identity and individuality.

Like the Borg, or the X-7 class. Is there a brand of evil Rossum hasn't tried?

adding in the Man with the Rabbit being the cousin to the Man with the Cheese from BTVS

Totally. And it fit so well.

Nice BSG shoutout with "the shape of things to come". Only in a vastly different context.

Adelle did a good job playing Evilina, it was convincing but I wasn't surprised she had a hidden plan.

Rossum's plan is kind of simple and brilliant, really. They use this technology to give wealthy people what they want and that gives them the money, resources, and influence they need to work on developing their endgame. The Dollhouse is like an End the World Fund.
Renée: Alice. Curiouser and curiouser.rogueslayer452 on December 20th, 2009 02:02 am (UTC)
I'm wondering how many divisions Rossum actually has. They seem powerful enough to make almost everything something potentially evil.

I just outright lol'd when that scene just showed up, and Echo's "that's a long story" just made me laugh harder. Because it's so random. And it makes me wonder which imprint of hers has that in their memories, lol.

Adelle really WAS convincing, wasn't she? Scarily convincing. I wasn't actually certain she would have a plan, I thought that in the previous episodes but that kinda kicked me in the optimistic stomach. Here, the tables turned once more and Adelle is back in control, having her army. It's pretty awesome. :D

Rossum's plan is kind of simple and brilliant, really. They use this technology to give wealthy people what they want and that gives them the money, resources, and influence they need to work on developing their endgame. The Dollhouse is like an End the World Fund.

Simply, brilliant and absolutely frightening. End of the World Fund indeed.
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Shonaille: Alien Resurrectionkalikahuntress on December 20th, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
I really hope Joss gets to end Dollhouse the way he wants too, I want to be able to own both box-sets and not pine for a proper ending like I did with so many other shows I loved.
Renée: Firefly. Big Damn Heroes.rogueslayer452 on December 20th, 2009 03:03 am (UTC)
I'm sure that it will. He probably had plenty of other ideas for further exploration of the mythology, of course, but I'm certain that Joss will end things on a note where it's satisfactory to the story being told. :)
noybusiness: Torynoybusiness on December 20th, 2009 03:55 am (UTC)
Oh yummy, cannibalism. "Enjoying myself" could not have been more ironic, dude. Wow. I kinda love Joss for going in that direction though, he is not shying away from that kinda stuff. Dude was EATING HIS OWN FLESH from his DECAPITATED LEGS. I think I saw this in a film somewhere too (except it was dude eating his own fingers within the sushi, but still, same concept).

It struck me as the kind of thing you'd see in a nightmare in The Sandman by Neil Gaiman. Very creative.

On TV Tropes I saw the theory that Clyde 2.0 is Clive Ambrose because of their similar names. And that got me thinking about the Epitaph One scene where he's been copied into every Dollhouse - useful person to copy. But who knows? Not one but two mystery people to uncover. Perhaps we'll be lead to believe they are each other at first.

Renée: Echo. Save Dollhouse.rogueslayer452 on December 20th, 2009 04:58 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I got to thinking too. For some reason, but a Whedon show, it could be someone we know or have come across but didn't really think twice until now. Since it is some mysterious person and all. Could be Clive Ambrose, or it could be someone else entirely. And we have only three more episodes left to uncover that mystery.
Tracy: Faithalexwhitman25 on December 20th, 2009 04:31 am (UTC)
I feel the same way about the road to Epitaph One - it makes me fangirl so hard whenever we get a clue or shoutout to it.

Also y'know that I don't want to lose Echo to Caroline, it's like my greatest fear for the show. And I'm super curious what they took from Ballard.
Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on December 20th, 2009 04:51 am (UTC)
The setup is just too much fun, and although I want them to try and reverse things so it doesn't happen (them being aware that such a future could happen and actually seeing it while in the Attic makes for a good start), it's still really cool at seeing those events play out. It gives me goosebumps every time.

I am wondering though, since in "Epitaph One" Caroline does emerge with Paul when they are getting everyone out, whether Echo becomes Caroline or not here. I want Echo to be in control, I want her to lead the people, not Caroline. But you never know.

Now I'm going to have thinky-thoughts about this, hee.
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jellojelost on December 20th, 2009 04:36 am (UTC)
You know, FOX canceled T:SCC and Dollhouse, and now they're advertising the shit out of this idiot "Human Target" show that just looks like a dumb 24 knockoff. WTF is wrong with these people?! (Though okay, Tricia Helfer is in the first episode, so I give it credit for taste.)

As for Dollhouse ... I have no words. You've said it all so completely. This is just so fucked up and amazing. <3
Renée: Victor/Sierra. Sleeping.rogueslayer452 on December 20th, 2009 04:47 am (UTC)
The thing is that they prompt the hell out of shows like Human Target and Glee, but they hardly did any of that advertisement for other shows like Dollhouse or TSCC. It's really a backwards kinda way, and it makes you really think sometimes whether they've already made up their minds about the shows they want to keep and the ones they want to boot. Which is sad, in a way. :(

Fucked up and amazing is how I love my shows. :) Joss Whedon delivers it beautifully, every single time.
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: createlotuseyes on December 20th, 2009 01:44 pm (UTC)
XD well I feel kind of bad for shipping military!Tony with Terrorist!Tony now...well I guess shipping isnt' the right word. I was just thinking of all the different ways the two of them could have had fun instead of fighting cause I thought it was Military!Tony against Terrorist!Victor--you know he was fighting against himself and it was a losing battle the entire time because he feared that he'd become Victor again and that's why Terrorist!Him kept winning...

Also I felt the same way. I was like 'Oh Echo don't worry, Tony and Priya are having lots of fun together! Look at the smexy sexing! And then omg Zombie!Nolan and is it wrong that I found Vincent Ventresca still hot?

Caroline would have to become just 'one of many' in Echo's head wouldn't she? Echo as a force is stronger then Caroline, who obviously has a charismatic and dominant personality (though...I think she would have made a fine cult leader).

Also Dominic love! ::huggles that poor man:: I miss him in his suits, but gosh I do love scruffy Dominic. I just wanna rub against him (s'long as he's not scruffy and stinky Dominic). So self-sacrificing (though we saw him in Epitaph One in his own body so...) Also his reaction to the Gov official being a Doll, priceless. Poor Dominic.

I never thought November would be, because Echo never seemed to...look after her in the same manner that she did Victor/Sierra. She looked after them like they were her children and she wanted them to be strong, she looked after November primarily because she felt bad for her and that's just who Echo is.

Huh I worry about the inclusion of Ivy. I like her, but...I've never been reassured that she isn't some sort of planted mole.

As far what they took from Paul...I don't think it has to do with Echo, only because his immediate reaction to 'Echo in the Attic' was to run upstairs with a gun to make it better. From what I gathered from November and Victor's thing (what they took away that is) you remember it, but you don't act on it. So he'd remember caring for Echo, but I don't think he'd go gun toting crazy if they took it from him.

Maybe his memories of November/Mellie? Or maybe they took away those months he spent with Echo alone, which wouldn't be the same thing as taking away Echo I don't think. Whatever they took away will probably be revealed soon, the looks on Topher and Boyd's faces were definitely 'He's gonna murder us' looks.

I'm not looking forward to meeting Caroline-Caroline (not hey look I imprinted her in some random chick Caroline that Alpha did). From what we've seen/heard of her she doesn't sound as...interesting as Echo. She sounds scary. Like the ends justify the means scary. I don't rub on well with those sorts.
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random addition: maybe Ivy is Clyde 2.0? She doesn't seem particularly ambitious either (I was thinking Topher and that leads to his little mental breakdown) and they made it a point to say 'we need to find him or her'.
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♛ part-time maenad: dollhouse; echoesradon_ on December 21st, 2009 08:23 am (UTC)
OMG I TOTES KNEW ADELLE WAS ~GOOD~. SHE COULDN'T HAVE DONE A 180. :DDDDDDDDD

WORD TO YOUR ENTIRE POST. I LOVE 2.10 LIKE INSANITY (I HAVE THIS THING FOR WHENEVER WHEDON DOES DREAM SEQUENCES, WHICH MAKES RESTLESS MY FAVE BUFFY EP BUT ANW) AND IT WAS SO AWESOME AND DIDN'T DISAPPOINT. I MISS DOMINIC OMG. ♥

I REALLY WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY TOOK FROM PAUL? PROBABLY HIS SENSE OF HUMOR. NOT LIKE HE HAD ONE TO START WITH xD DID YOU GET THE HYPERION/ANGEL REFERENCE :D IT WAS AWESOME. AND THE BSG "SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME" REF. :D
Renée: Echo. Save Dollhouse.rogueslayer452 on December 21st, 2009 01:49 pm (UTC)
THE END WAS JUST A TOTAL "HELL YEAH!" MOMENT! I WAS LIKE OMG, YAY ADELLE, YOU HAS A PLAN ALL ALONG! WITH A LITTLE ENCOURAGEMENT BY ECHO OBVIOUSLY, BUT STILL, SNEAKY ADELLE IS SNEAKY AND AWESOME. :DDD

I LOVE JOSS AND HIS DREAM SEQUENCES. LOVE LOVE LOVE. HE SHOULD DO MORE DREAM SEQUENCES FOR EVERYTHING HE DOES. HELL, IF DOLLHOUSE HADN'T BEEN CANCELED I WOULD CALL FOR MORE DREAM/MIND SEQUENCES BECAUSE THAT? WAS ABSOLUTE GENIUS. IT SO DIDN'T DISAPPOINT. IT WAS SO GORGEOUS AND PRETTY AND EPIC AND AWESOME, AND YAY DOMINIC AND ECHO/DOMINIC TEAMING UP! AND THE END WITH EVERYONE (MINUS DOM WHO IS STILL IN THE ATTIC D: D:) AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE ROSSUM DOWN TOGETHER! HELLLL YEEEAAAHHH! \O/

I WANNA KNOW TOO. PERHAPS HIS CONSTANT MORALIZING? LOL

I LOVE ALL THESE REFERENCES JOSS ADDS, ESP THE BSG ONES BECAUSE LOL WE ALL KNOW YOU'RE A FANBOY JOSS. ;D

I WANT MOARRRRR! UNCANCEL THIS SHIT FOX, UN-FUCKING-CANCEL. DO YOU REALIZE THIS IS SOME EPIC AWESOME RIGHT HERE THAT YOU'RE WASTING? FOR SERIOUS.
forwardish: DH Topher forwardish on December 25th, 2009 08:03 am (UTC)
And this is where they become the Dollhouse Scoobies. ♥ I had first thought that the Echo/Victor/Sierra/November team from last season were the Dollhouse Scoobies, but this just seems much more epic. :D

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!

And he totally does THAT scene in everything which I am TOTALLY FINE WITH BECAUSE I LOVE IT.


Examples:
*Buffy scoobie gatherings... there was usually at least one a season
*AtS - "Not Fade Away" raising hands
*Firefly - the example I have in my head is actually from Serenity, around the table "I aim to misbehave"
*Dollhouse - that scene right there


Fox has sucked for a LONG ASS TIME.
I'm still bitter about Dark Angel. And then everything since then.
UGH FUCK YOU FOX! As per usual.


I think Caroline will become a part of Echo, not dominate her. Or at least that's what I want to happen.