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17 February 2010 @ 01:21 am
Wherein I lay down my thoughts.  
So it's been officially confirmed, unsurprisingly of course, that Supernatural is a go for a sixth season. However in a recent semi-spoiler interview there are certain things I'm quite...uncertain about.

I'm feeling rather conflicted at the moment about everything. I think it's a matter that Kripke had originally had a five year plan inside his head and arranged things accordingly to give the show more time to become epic in their storylines and such, and for these last two seasons they've raised the bar quite a bit. But given the news that there would be a sixth season well, somehow I feel like this is partially the pressure of the network due to the rising in ratings since season four, to be honest. And what I'm reading about these plans for season six, about them no longer having the apocalyptic arc? Having more stand-alone humor episodes, reverting to the S1 formula again? I'm just not feeling it, like at all.

Most people who know me knows about my interest the psychological aspects of my fandoms, and it's because of the theological introduction in season four that really brought my attention to the show. I watched and enjoyed it before, but once getting back into the mythological arc I was completely addicted again. Why? Because for me mytharcs are far more compelling as it helps the the characters along with their own journeys. I loved the introduction of the angels into the show. It finally got interesting because really, why have demons and Hell without angels and Heaven? It fits perfectly with the meta and theological aspects the show has had in its mythology already, and so far they've handled everything so beautifully with integrating it into the boy's journey and their destinies. There's been much discussion about it and quite frankly, without that element the show would have been pretty repetitive with its constant "boys fighting demons" scenario, which I feel they're heading right back into that.

I also find it funny that Sera Gamble is all "angels and Heaven was never part of the story" and blah blah blah when, after integrating everything from their journey, it really kinda was when you think about it. I know the show is all about the brothers and whatnot, but it's because of the angel/Heaven arc that got the show recognized and upped in ratings after such a lackluster third season.

Apocalyptic storylines are perhaps the best way of ending an epic story such as the Winchesters, since it's all been told since the beginning of the show anyway. This season is about wrapping everything together in a neat little bow, and I would rather have the series end it with the Apocalypse than go off merrily into a comedic final season. That's like, going backwards instead of forwards like Kripke wanted to show to end on, you know? There is nothing else out there that can honestly top an apocalyptic arc, and I feel that would be the perfect way of ending the show because it's taking everything we've learned throughout the season and ending everything on that very high note that Kripke was wanting. With Sam and Dean's destinies coming together as one, it's the perfect bookend to the Winchester legacy.

Sixth season without that would be, well, pointless and rather filler, don'tcha think? Unless they're bringing in something from this season's arc into the next one, it's just an excuse to have another season.

I'm also worried about what this would mean for the writing because, let's be honest, while the show is awesome it has had its flaws particularly in the writing department. The entirety of season three, for example. Their failure at writing female characters at times, and even characterization can be a hit or miss. Also...

MISHA COLLINS/CASTIEL BETTER BE A FUCKING REGULAR OR ELSE I'LL CUT A BITCH.

However, I am worried because of the characterization bit because I've seen way too many of my past shows do this to characters I have loved where they just butcher the writing for said character, and SPN has done that to some character storylines for me in the past. So I would rather have them treat him like they've been treating him or not have him around, because I don't want his character to endure because screwed over by the writing.

I just don't know what to think right now. The apocalyptic arc has been the best thing to ever happen to the show, and upon reading that they're going to finish it this season and move onto less stimulating stuff for the sixth season, it's left me with this cold, uncertain feeling because I like having my fandoms having a satisfactory and conclusive explosive way of going out. And so far from what I'm reading, it doesn't feel like they're going to be having that epic out like I thought they would. It's seriously depressing me, and it's depressing me that it's depressing me in such a way that I don't want to be a downer for everyone else. But I love apocalyptic arcs, I love the angels and the Heaven versus Hell storyline and without that, I don't know. Plus, what about Castiel if they're going to have him still be around as a regular? Would be become human? Still an angel watching over Dean and Sam? This is what I'm apathetic about, people. I don't want them to get rid of everything that's been enthralling me for these past two seasons now and going off into what they started with, which at the time we all loved because the show was just starting and we knew nothing else, but once getting into the mysteries of their journeys and what is happening with their family the more captivated we were as it continued to grow and grow and grow into this massive thing that the boys are tied into, and why would you bring us down from this climatic peak? Idk.


I don't want to be harshing anyone's squee, that's not my intention since I do have friends that are happy with this news so I'm happy for them. But I'm worried because I do love this show, it's my favorite show still on the air right now and I want to trust that Kripke and Co. know what they're doing, but I've been letdown by previous fandoms I've loved before and I don't want to be letdown by Supernatural because the way things are going now, it's pretty damn epic and I'd hate for them to lose that streak.

I'm torn with this. Although things might not turn out that bad and I'll look back on this and laugh, but right now I just don't know what to think at the moment with everything.

Also? I'm praying this is an early April Fool's joke. Seriously. D: D: D:
 
 
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Just a story in the end.: ~ the minor fall // the major liftwingsunfurled on February 17th, 2010 10:51 am (UTC)
You and me are in the same frame of mind it seems. I don't want people to think I am wanking, it's really more concern for my favourite show. Of course my regards to Castiel returning may be a bit wankish but what can I say. I am too emotionally attached to his character.
Renée: Castiel. Angels bleed too.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)
Yep, we're just majorly concerned for our favorite show that's been heading towards something big and epic and integrating everything we've known over the series into this apocalyptic storyline, and to lose that would be pointless. And yes, I'm also very emotionally attached to Castiel and I'm afraid of what might happen if we have someone in charge that doesn't do characterization well and having a season that doesn't have that apocalyptic arc to hold it all together.
Shonaille: Aaliyahkalikahuntress on February 17th, 2010 12:49 pm (UTC)
I think the SPN writers at this point can bite me, what a pile of crap. It's fine to end the show, even with Misha leaving but to go back and pretend like the angels story line isn't what brought in viewers leaves a nasty tastes in my mouth.
I am going to laugh when the show returns to pointless fillers that turned me off of the show in the first place and watch the ratings tank. There is a lot of competition SPN writers, if you think you can get by doing the same shit years ago, good luck with that.
Renée: BSG. Natalie is not pleased.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 06:16 pm (UTC)
There is a lot of competition SPN writers, if you think you can get by doing the same shit years ago, good luck with that.

I wholeheartedly agree. It worked in the first season because the show as just getting introduced, setting up everything, but there was the threaded arc throughout too. Giving us that mystery that hey, something bigger is happening here and it's been developing and growing and I believe the climax is with the apocalyptic stuff. That's where it should end, in my opinion, and if they're reverting to the same-old hunting gig, it's not going to hold the same "punch" like it does now. People want arcs, they want something exciting, not the episodic monster hunt of the week kind of thing, not after everything the boys had gone through.

Especially since Sera Gamble pretty much made it clear she's not a fan of the angel arc anyway, I fear her taking over is going to fuck up everything we've grown to love about the boys and their journey. Also, Castiel. I want her to STAY FAR FAR AWAY from his characterization as much as fucking possible.

It makes me really wish that Ben Edlund was chosen the forerunner and not her. :/
Shonaillekalikahuntress on February 18th, 2010 03:54 am (UTC)
I guess we will have to put up with Sera finding numerous reasons to get Jared naked under the guise she is developing Sam's character. That enough is to turn me off from season six.
sunshine: spn: i experience doubtaliasagent on February 17th, 2010 12:54 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I mean, I love the show, but if they just kinda... start from the scratch it sort of feels a bit... like, why bother with the apocalyptic stuff? Also, if they had decided to end the show on season five, it could end with heaven and hell having their whole battle of the ages and stuff, but now that it's coming back for another season... I don't know. Seems less possible (although I have no actual idea since I don't read spoilers for the show any more)
Renée: SPN. Castiel.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 06:06 pm (UTC)
Also, if they had decided to end the show on season five, it could end with heaven and hell having their whole battle of the ages and stuff, but now that it's coming back for another season... I don't know.

I know, and those were my thoughts too because it seemed like where everything is going the show is wrapping up all what we've been learning over the course of the entire series since the show is about the Winchester legacy they're having it all tied together neatly in a bow with the Apocalypse and whatnot. It's the perfect way of ending the show. But the fact they're having another season added it's like, uh, what? How are y'all going to top what we've already got? And upon reading some things I'm just not pleased with what they apparently got planned, because it's bringing down all the amazingness we've gotten for these last two seasons. It's leaving me with this cold feeling and I'm not liking it. Because I do love the show, and I'd hate to see it go down this direction.

I know I should put more faith or at least wait it out and see what happens, but I've grown to really love this show based on what they've done with it in regards to the expanded mytharc, but if they're going to be losing that aspect then I don't know what to think.
Nicole Anell: hugsnicole_anell on February 17th, 2010 01:02 pm (UTC)
Not a fan, but I read this and *completely* relate to what you're saying. Frankly I prefer when shows go out at the top of their game than risk dragging on with mediocre storylines.
Renée: Castiel/Lucifer. Angels of the Lord.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 05:57 pm (UTC)
Precisely, and this is why I have massive respect for Ron Moore and his plans for having only four seasons of BSG. Even when the network was starting to beg him for more seasons he refused. I like that in a creator, to stick to their guns with their decisions and not be influenced in any way. And right now it feels like Kripke was influenced, and the fact that he's no longer going to be forerunner of the sixth season just cements that for me.

Also, when you have a huge epic serial arc that's been weaved throughout the seasons, having an apocalyptic arc is the way to go out, amirite? Especially with where everything has been leading up to such an arc it would make sense, so I just don't know what to think about having a sixth season unless it's to integrate more of that particular arc somewhere.
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: i like who we aresapphirestar_ on February 17th, 2010 02:44 pm (UTC)
IDK IDK IDK I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK OF ALL THIS.

seriously. i mean, yeah, of course i'll watch the sixth season, how could i not? i love the boys, and the show's the show - i'll love it either way, but ... still. it's like all the previous seasons have been leading to the apocalypse arc - yellow eyes, john dying for dean, sam dying and dean making a deal to bring him back, all these things that've been happening ever since it began, and i don't see how it could be as brilliant as it's been unless they somehow manage to continue with the apocalypse with something like dealing with the consequences and stuff, but i doubt they'd do that.

and i'm just really really worried about castiel, because what. he's very quickly become such an important part of the show, and frankly, it'd SUCK if it was suddenly just the boys on the road again, just the two of them, doing random monster of the week hunts. (because yeah, no. what could possibly top the apocalypse?)

aslfkjdls and what, kripke. okay, no. no no no. i'd be all for season six if kripke plays as major a role as he's done in the last seasons, but if not ... fuck. IN KRIPKE WE TRUST, OKAY. NO ONE ELSE unless misha decides to start writing supernatural episodes which FUCK YEAH COMPARES.
Renée: Castiel. Angels bleed too.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
it's like all the previous seasons have been leading to the apocalypse arc - yellow eyes, john dying for dean, sam dying and dean making a deal to bring him back, all these things that've been happening ever since it began, and i don't see how it could be as brilliant as it's been unless they somehow manage to continue with the apocalypse with something like dealing with the consequences and stuff, but i doubt they'd do that.

Exactly, and if they were planning on continuing something from the apocalyptic arc I wouldn't be so worried about a sixth season and it wouldn't have caused all this commotion. But my concern, as it seems with the majority of others in fandom, is that it's like an additional season that wasn't included with Kripke's original plan. Which you can tell just from these five seasons alone how integrated everything had been. A sixth season without that would be fruitless and, well, boring considering. I mean the show can go only so far with having the brotherly angst between Sam and Dean, but sometimes it can be quite repetitive that I would rather have an arc intertwining with that than watching them deal afterwards, you know? Otherwise it's going to be boring.

I'm totally with you, Castiel is the only character I'm worried about if they're planning on having him return because he's my precious angel. He's the one character I've become so emotionally attached to, and I don't want them fucking up his character. :( :(

I WANT KRIPKE DAMMIT. Or Ben Edlund, because he writes extraordinarily for the show. But they had to choose, of all people, Sera Gamble. The one person on the show that I least trust with my precious characters. Just, no. This is not of the good. :/
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: because you're wreckedsapphirestar_ on February 18th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
But my concern, as it seems with the majority of others in fandom, is that it's like an additional season that wasn't included with Kripke's original plan.

yeah, this exactly. sure, i'm still reasonably hopeful about the next season, because there really could be some awesome plot they've come up with. but the whole clean slate thing's what worries me the most. it's just. i'm not sure how to explain it, really - it's like all these five seasons, they're connected to each other by this red thread that gives us the main plot, the power behind it all, and what if they erase all that? sure, they'd acknowledge it, but. idk. five seasons of something that makes a whole, and then, suddenly, a season that's got nothing at all to do with the whole? it's like a whole other show, like it's not supernatural at all. i guess what i'm most worried about is that they'll ignore the apocalypse arc too much, because even though it's not something they're looking to extend, it's important, it has consequences, it matters. it fucked up our boys real bad, and if they ignore all the stuff that ties into the apocalypse arc, well. i just don't know.

I'VE GOT IT! THEY COULD MAKE A SEASON OUT OF HOW CAS AND DEAN FINALLY ~FIND EACH OTHER~ AND GET A CLUE AND STUFF Y/N? I'D WATCH IT. :D :D :D

haha, i'm not entirely sure whether i should go hide underneath the bed in fear of rotten tomatoes, but i have to admit i'm not too familiar with sera's work. i know she did heart (i think?) but other than that, no. i don't know much about all that stuff - all i know is that kripke, edlund and jeremy carver are the best.
She that is Me: SPN - Cas ?sweetsyren on February 17th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)
To be honest, as happy as I am that there will be more of my boys, I am nervous. And this is exactly why:

Having more stand-alone humor episodes, reverting to the S1 formula again?

Yeah - I don't really want that. I like a threaded story arc. I like a slow burn and then a great crescendo. In my ideal circumstance, they would lose this war and then season six would be putting the world back together and getting it back to what it should be. That would be interesting to me. At least more so than MOTW.

I dunno...

Also with Kripke not holding the reigns any more?

I JUST DON'T KNOW!

(Just for clarity - I am totally with you on the "Castiel better be a damn regular" thing. As lame as it sounds to a lot of fans, all the secrets with him on Fandom Secrets is what got me into SPN in the first place. I mainlined the first three series knowing him and the angel/demons storyline was coming. For me it won't be the same without him. Same goes for Bobby.)
Renée: Castiel. I don't understand.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
I like a threaded story arc. I like a slow burn and then a great crescendo. In my ideal circumstance, they would lose this war and then season six would be putting the world back together and getting it back to what it should be. That would be interesting to me. At least more so than MOTW.

This, I completely agree. It's one of the best case scenarios for having a sixth season, or if this season ended with a cliffhanger of having one of the boys on the verge of saying "yes" to their destinies and going into a sixth season with that, you know? That would be majorly epic, and without that threaded arc appearing again after the Apocalypse is over...it's like, why? What's the point?

Arcs are more compelling than stand-alone episodes, it's what keeps the viewers going and it's what got the show picked up in the ratings due to the mythological arc picking up in season four, you know? To go back to a standard formula would just be setting the show back from where it's developed from, and that's not good.

The show without Kripke is like Buffy without Joss Whedon, or BSG without Ron Moore. And it doesn't help that I really don't trust Sera Gamble's judgment on anything, especially in terms of writing.

Just for clarity - I am totally with you on the "Castiel better be a damn regular" thing. As lame as it sounds to a lot of fans, all the secrets with him on Fandom Secrets is what got me into SPN in the first place. I mainlined the first three series knowing him and the angel/demons storyline was coming. For me it won't be the same without him. Same goes for Bobby

Yeah. I watched the show before and enjoyed it, but it's because of the introduction to Castiel and the angels that really keened my interest to where the show was going. The entire theological stuff really added to my fascination, especially with the direction they're heading with it and to go without that aspect, especially without Castiel, it's like bzuh? Misha Collins really added something extra to the show, to lose that now would be a huge mistake.
She that is Me: DrW - Bugger!sweetsyren on February 17th, 2010 06:02 pm (UTC)
To go back to a standard formula would just be setting the show back from where it's developed from, and that's not good.

Exactly. Absolutely. It's developed into this intricate and well fleshed out story but to have it going back to how it was in the beginning...you might as well start again with a different cast. I honestly don't thin the characters can go back to where they were before. They're waaaaaay too far along the road.

Yeah. I watched the show before and enjoyed it, but it's because of the introduction to Castiel and the angels that really keened my interest to where the show was going. The entire theological stuff really added to my fascination, especially with the direction they're heading with it and to go without that aspect, especially without Castiel, it's like bzuh? Misha Collins really added something extra to the show, to lose that now would be a huge mistake.

I agree completely. I love the theological aspect. To me it feels like they've always been heading here. It feels so natural to me. And now Misha is as much a part of the cast as the two Js are (IMO...YMMV) to suddenly yank him away (which I fear is what may happen), I can't help but feel it won't be the same.

I really worry they're going to go "Hahah yeah the apocalypse - wasn't that great? So anyway...", you know?
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on February 17th, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
I am so glad to know I am not the only one who is conflicted about this renewal status. Part of me wants to be happy but at the same time, it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Let me just be blunt. The only reason I am even watching this show right now is because of Castiel and the whole Heaven/Hell storyline. It what drew in me. I know the show is about Sam and Dean but quite frankly I find their family angst tedious and boring.(Not to mention I find the character of Sam as boring as fuck!) Plus, it doesn't help that the writers don't want to seem to deal with their emotional issues.

And I hate to say it but so far this season has been kinda dull. I mean I was expecting a lot more than what I am getting and quite frankly if Cas isn't in the eps., I just don't bother watching.

I just don't this show to go out with a whimper.
Renée: BSG. Natalie is not pleased.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, you're definitely not the only one feeling like this, bb. It seems like the majority of fandom is reacting similarly to this news.

I watched the show before and I enjoyed it very much, but it wasn't until Castiel and the Heaven arc that really peaked my interest because it's like "oh, they actually do have a plan, and it's epic!" It's it's been integrated nicely with tying everything together over the course of the seasons that it just makes sense to end the show at the Apocalypse, you know? But with this it definitely leaves a horrible taste in my mouth.

Plus, it doesn't help that the writers don't want to seem to deal with their emotional issues.

To also be blunt on this issue, I agree. It kind of gets repetitive and while I enjoy the manpain at times and it's not the show without the Winchester angst, sometimes it's like just let them deal with whatever and move on.

I want the show to go out on top, something massive and epic and they say that the sixth season is heading towards a climax but, honestly? I feel like the apocalypse is the height of everything because it really just flares everything that's come to pass with the boys and their journeys and such. Without such an arc to hold everything together you're just relying on comedy to keep your audience, and that's kind of being overconfident just a little. I mean sure, we stayed with the show especially through the mess that was S3, but I thought they understood they needed something bigger and better and that's how S4's arc came about. I just don't know.

Of course we know nothing about the truth behind what's to come for season sixth so this is just worried speculation on our parts. I just don't know what to think with all of this.
M: Ellen & Jo - Big. Damn. Heroines.mfirefly10 on February 17th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'm less conflicted about the renewal because I'm pretty certain it's a terrible idea. It'd be one thing if the writers chose to do another season so they could extend the current arc and make the final battle even more epic. But to end the apocalypse and go back to monster-of-the-week episodes...I'm sorry but I have no interest in watching that. It was entertaining enough in the first few seasons but we're so beyond that now that it would just seem ridiculous.

And, in my humble opinion, it would kinda ruin the mythology they introduced in these past two seasons. Because as much as I'd like to see the boys get a decent, non-dead ending...it just doesn't seem believable. This fight that they're in now is a fight to the death and I don't think it would make sense for them to both come out of it in one piece. But...I guess the network is more interested in ratings than they are in the actual story-telling. Nothing new there:(
Renée: Misha. Are you fucking serious?rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 09:42 pm (UTC)
I'm right there with you, I've been on the fence on the entire idea about returning to the regular hunting schtick and quite frankly, with where we are now, it just doesn't work. The entire stand-alone comedic episodes just does not work in the format they are right now. I would prefer they extend the apocalyptic arc into season six instead starting anew. I mean, it makes sense that they would end things like this, right? Apocalypse, the boys and their destinies coming together after everything they've endured over the seasons, and just one huge massive explosion of a thing? To go away from that into the simplicity of the hunting gigs, that's like downgrading the show ten times.

Supernatural is not the kind of show at this moment, it would be like what happened with S3 -- lighthearted episodes with less of the dramatic, epic arcs after the first two seasons. We don't want a repeat of that.

But...I guess the network is more interested in ratings than they are in the actual story-telling. Nothing new there:(

That's what I've been worried about, Supernatural seemed like it had everything going for it but now, with this news? If there's no continuing arc of what they've been going through, especially these past two seasons, into the sixth then we can say bye-bye to quality. I hate it when networks try to coax creators into having another season when the creator already had a plan for a beginning, middle and end. I just, I just want this season to be its last. I want them to wrap up everything with the boys and their family legacy and with the angels and Heaven and Hell and everything, because that's how a show should end. But it seems like others have different plans.

I'm just completely torn here, because while I do love the show it should have arcs, it should be connected with the continuity of all they've dealt with and if they're going back on that? Fuck it.
Tracy: Dean Squaredalexwhitman25 on February 17th, 2010 09:14 pm (UTC)
I didn't read the interview cause I didn't want to run into any S5 spoilers, but you are saying that Sera is trying to backtalk her way over the angel arc? Go figure. We know where Sera's focus is so I'm not surprised to hear that.

I have the feeling the show isn't going to tank in just quality next season, but the ratings as well. It really sucks that Kripke wasn't able to just stick to his plan and do things his way. We could have had a kickass ending with the show going out in an epic way.
Renée: BSG. Natalie is not pleased.rogueslayer452 on February 17th, 2010 09:26 pm (UTC)
From the way it sounds, yeah. I've never held a strong opinion on Sera Gamble but quite frankly, if she's all about dismissing the angel arc and wanting to go in another direction from all that we've come from over the seasons, then I'm seriously going to cut a bitch.

That's what I'm worried about, because had they stuck with the original plan of having five seasons this would have been such a kickass final season, complete with apocalyptic epic shit that would have ended the show on that high note like Kripke wanted. Now? I'm not so sure we're going to get that, and that saddens and depresses me, and annoys me because there will be those fans that hated the angel arc cheering because they want more eyecandy and less of the story. Believe me, I've come across those people and they are just full of shit.
inkstaind_dream: lord byroninkstaind_dream on February 17th, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
I know exactly what you mean. I love the show and the apocalyptic storyline they have, but when you think about another season it makes you wonder. For there to be another season Kripke is going to either have to drag the apocalyptic storyline on (and I'm already growing impatient for more Devil episodes), or revert back to the season 1 formula.

Going back to season 1 would be an insult to our boys, because after everything they have been through the Winchesters deserve to go out with a bang.

I also think that Kripke has always had a timeline for the show, and thought maybe season five would be a good season to wrap things up, but now with the promise of another season it leaves me wondering: what is he going to do? He would probably drag it out because what bad guy is there after Lucifer? It wouldn't feel right from going to the greatest villain of Christiandom back to folklore and what not. At least, I don't think so, but then again that's just me.
Renée: Blair Waldorf.rogueslayer452 on February 20th, 2010 06:40 am (UTC)
Going back to season 1 would be an insult to our boys, because after everything they have been through the Winchesters deserve to go out with a bang.

Precisely, and I know they keep saying they're excited about what's planned and all of that, but with the talk about more comedic stand-alone eps, I just don't see how all of that fits into a huge climax for the show in general, and having the boys going on and on in their brotherly angst just doesn't hold things together for an entire season, there has to be something in connection to a huge arc that fits into all of this. The Apocalypse, to me, is the climatic end to everything because it just makes sense in the grand scheme of things with the boys and their journeys, you know?

You're definitely not alone in thinking that, bb. I want to have faith that with this extra season they'll somehow make it right but, given everything we know about how this timeline has gone, it just doesn't feel right to me.
inkstaind_dream: then i kissed herinkstaind_dream on February 20th, 2010 06:47 am (UTC)
Normally, I would be excited that a show I love is getting another season but like you said it doesn't feel right. I feel like they keep promising this epic battle, but they keep dragging it out. I'm starting to feel cheated and it makes me annoyed because I don't want to give up the show.

The angst was interesting and all but they can't give me an episode of brotherly angst, go to a funny episode, then back to angst, and then throw in an episode about the devil.

Even if they don't want to skip to the end of the apocalypse right away (which is understandable if they will have another season) at least give us more episode that ties in with the MAIN storyline.

It makes me so impatient lol. I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in feeling this way.
bold_seer: = castielbold_seer on February 18th, 2010 03:24 pm (UTC)
I'm feeling rather conflicted at the moment about everything.

Mmmm... I'm happy - or want to be happy - because I don't want it to end just yet (I know, I know!). And I really don't want to let go of Castiel just yet, either, because of obvious reasons. But I'm also nervous, because (a) I'm always nervous and (b) the theological introduction in season four became my favourite part of the show. I'd probably watch anything with Castiel, but what are they going to do with the show and with him?

I've been let down by previous fandoms, too, (HP - I'm looking at you!), but that was so depressing that I don't even want to think about it. And I don't want to think about possible let-downs, either, so I'm cheering. Albeit nervously. :)

Renée: DH. Echo. Blank slate.rogueslayer452 on February 20th, 2010 06:35 am (UTC)
I honestly wouldn't be as apprehensive as I am if there wasn't anything conclusive about have the story being wrapped up in five seasons as Kripke wanted, this extra season seems like an additional thing that could either be a good thing of expanding the universe of the show or a bad thing by bringing it all down, since it wasn't part of the original setup. Even they said that when Misha signed to be a regular it was only for S5, there wasn't anything planned for a sixth season.

the theological introduction in season four became my favourite part of the show. I'd probably watch anything with Castiel, but what are they going to do with the show and with him?

That's my main concern, too. I've become so emotionally attached to the character, never mind protective of him, that I just don't see how they can continue his character arc without having more angels into the mix or him becoming human. Honestly, as interesting as the latter sounds, I don't want the Castiel-becomes-human plot because they can seriously mess with his character (aka pointless and retarded love interest stuff that I SERIOUSLY HOPE NEVER EVER HAPPENS, unless it's getting Dean/Castiel together with the smooching, otherwise HELL TO THE NO). He plays a major part in S4 and S5 because of the theological arc, without that, I just don't know. I mean, I guess I could see Castiel being the Winchester's guardian angel and all, helping them out and all of that, but how will it fit into the grand scheme of things? That's also another concern of mine, because the entire show has been leading up to the boys and their destinies and what they're dealing with now, and if they wrap that all up at the end of this season where will they be? How will the show end if it's not on the climatic top such as the freaking apocalypse?

It's because of the theological aspect that drew many viewers into watching the show weekly again, it's because of Castiel and the angels and Heaven and Lucifer and everything being tied together that is bringing everything that we've known whole. It's such an amazing arc and if that's done with, I just don't know anymore.

And I'm not trying to be wanky about this, it's just genuine concern because I see my shows with such solid mytharcs on the epic scale. If SPN doesn't end epically, I just don't know. I'll be majorly disappointed and I don't want to be disappointed. :/