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22 February 2010 @ 05:57 pm
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++ I must be the only one that's not interested with the Olympics this year. I'm just not feeling it for some reason. :/

++ My sister surprised me today with giving me the recent Supernatural novelization, Heart of the Dragon by Keith R.A. DeCandido. Apparently it is incredibly recent timeline-wise, as it takes places after the episode "Changing Channels" and thus has Castiel involved. Which obviously makes me even more compelled to read it. There is only one problem I've encountered while skimming through it though: they spell Castiel's name wrong!

Okay, not his full name but his shorthanded nickname, it's written "Cass" instead of "Cas". I know it's a trivial thing, but honestly I cannot take anything seriously that has his name spelled like that. There was a discussion about this over on spn_castiel some while ago, actually. Every time it's shorthanded like that I think about a girl's name like Cassie or Cassandra, or a casserole, not some badass motherfucking angel of the Lord. So for me, "Cass" is like feminizing his name and whenever you think about Castiel you certainly don't think about him being a girl. Not in the slightest. I don't know, it's a small thing to get worked up on and it seems like in the show's notes it might be spelled like that or whatever, but to me it's just...not right. It's completely wrong. It's either Castiel or Cas, get it right ppl!

I don't know if I can bypass it with the novel or not, we'll see.

++ My neighbors are being really fucktards lately. One has a roommate living with them who doesn't understand the term of private property, since he used our watering system for his use or whatever. Without notifying us or apologizing, the owner of the house had to do that for him after the fact (apparently this roommate does drugs, which is even more fun to deal with). The other has been avoiding paying for his half from when we had the fence repair separating our backyards. Even after trying to contact him several times. Both neighbors are men too, go figure.
 
 
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Kevin Jonesmulder200 on February 23rd, 2010 02:16 am (UTC)
Oh! I liked his Bone Key book so I am adding this to my Wish List.

And I don't understand how you get "Cass" out of Castiel.*shrugs*
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 02:23 am (UTC)
His books aren't that bad compared to other show/movie novelizations out there, in fact he does pretty well with Dean and Sam's characterization. Although I think I've been too spoiled by fanfiction, heh. ;)

Me neither. I think it's a spellcheck thing, since every time I type in "Cas" in Microsoft Word they say it's wrong and give "Cass" as an alternative instead. But yeah, to me the correct spelling is with a singular, not plural, otherwise it's just funny looking and I can't take it seriously.
noybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 02:17 am (UTC)
That's how the subtitles and captions have it, though.
Renéerogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
True, but it just doesn't look right because his entire name has a singular "s", not double. Adding a second "s" just looks silly to me.
noybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 02:22 am (UTC)
I wouldn't choose Cass if I was making up the shortened form. Perhaps they think Cas doesn't emphasize the S sound enough and could be pronounced like "Caz". That's the only reason I can think of to justify it. Sounds like the kind of thing a phoenetician would say.
Renée: Castiel. I don't understand.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 02:25 am (UTC)
It could be a spellcheck thing or something, I don't know. It just doesn't make sense. *shrugs*
noybusiness: AndersGoldnoybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 03:48 am (UTC)
No, actually I think that must be it. It's the same difference as between "as" and "ass". Bass, lass. Must be a phoenetic rule, you can't have a proper S sound without the double letter. One might find it annoying, but there it is.
Renée: BSG. Natalie is not pleased.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 03:58 am (UTC)
Eh, honestly that is just ridiculously stupid. It doesn't look right when it's written out with an extra letter, even if it's supposedly for phonetic captioned/subtitle usage. I would think people would know how to say "Cas" or "Castiel" (perhaps people are confused when Jared mispronounces it so often? idk)

Either way, it just irritates me.

Edited at 2010-02-23 03:59 am (UTC)
noybusiness: capricaboomerwarheroesnoybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 04:11 am (UTC)
That's the language. Cas is "Caz", says your English teacher. But we fans have a long history of ignoring rules about canon, so why not apply it to pronounciation as well?
bold_seer: = castielbold_seer on February 23rd, 2010 08:09 am (UTC)
you can't have a proper S sound without the double letter. One might find it annoying, but there it is.

Erm, this, thus, the element mis, although not a word. If you mean after the ae sound: has in some cases, gas, alas...
noybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 02:19 pm (UTC)
Gas and alas, true. Perhaps that's because of the language they come from originally? When is has not pronounced "haz"?
bold_seer: = castielbold_seer on February 23rd, 2010 03:36 pm (UTC)
Alas, alas is hardly the most English word ever. But Castiel isn’t exactly the most English name, either, so why not Cas? :)

Has is obviously [haez], but could end with an s-like sound, I think, if it’s not stressed. But then you end up sort of swallowing (most of?) the other sounds in that word. So, let’s not count that.
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 03:54 pm (UTC)
'Cause Latin-speakers probably wouldn't shorten it and it's being shortened by English-speakers? Lol (a word I have never used before and hopefully never will again). Whatever.
noybusiness: lolcatbsgnoybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 03:55 pm (UTC)
Ack. Not Latin, Hebrew.
bold_seer: = castielbold_seer on February 23rd, 2010 04:05 pm (UTC)
But if English pursues other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary, surely it's not above brutalising nice non-English names? ;)

Feeling sort of spammy, sorry about that.
noybusiness: AndersGoldnoybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Cass is that brutalization.
kaiyotekaiyote on February 23rd, 2010 02:21 am (UTC)
I know it's spelt 'Cass' and everything in the subtitles and the writers use it or w/e, but I still don't get where that second 'S' comes from, damnit! XD ...but yeah, I can't read fics where his name is spelled 'Cass' :/ It bothers me.

...........I'm not interested in the Olympics? I like never am, though, so... yeah. cough.
Renée: Castiel. Adorkable.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 02:31 am (UTC)
Exactly, there's no second "s" in his name so why do so when you write it out like that in shorthand? Doesn't make sense, and it just looks plain silly. And yeah, every time I see it written like that in fanfic I immediately hit the back button. It's just looks wrong and it bugs. It's like OKAY THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SPELL HIS NAME!

I was interested in 2008 with the Beijing Olympics, but this year just kinda bores me.
Reckless Endangerment to Youth: love rebornlotuseyes on February 23rd, 2010 02:23 am (UTC)
meh this year's Olympics were rather boring. Except for the Chinese pairs figure skating couple, but I didn't even bother to keep up with them XD

lol you should tell the author kradical about your disappointment. XD
Renée: Castiel/Lucifer. Angels of the Lord.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 02:35 am (UTC)
Yeah, there's nothing really exciting going on right now, I think I prefer the 2008 Beijing Olympics than this years one, to be honest.

I hate it when I see fanfics spelling his name like that, too. I just don't read those stories because of it. Fickle I am, I know, but it's distracting and takes me out from the entire story altogether.
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Renée: Six. Warrior of God.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 02:43 am (UTC)
Seriously. It's just rather pointless to add the extra letter because that is not his name.

Edited at 2010-02-23 02:44 am (UTC)
Tracy: Cas Smilealexwhitman25 on February 23rd, 2010 03:41 am (UTC)
"Cass" totally irks me too. I just don't understand where this second S is supposed to come from. And I agree with you that it screams shortened version of Cassie or Cassandra. I mean if a guy's name is Stanley and you shorten it to Stan, you don't write Stann.
Renée: Castiel. I don't understand.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 04:02 am (UTC)
It could be either a spell-check issue or, what someone suggested above, a possible phonetic rule of pronunciation. But even with that it just doesn't feel or look right when written out like that, and it shouldn't be to be honest. I would think people would know how to pronounce "Cas" after hearing "Castiel", unless you constantly hear how Jared says his name, lol.
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Renée: Castiel. I don't understand.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
LOL! That would be interesting, wouldn't it? XD

Yeah, it's bothersome to read anything that has his name written out like that because I get distracted by it too much. Which is why I prefer having either his entire name written out or only the shortened "Cas" when Dean is talking with him, that's it. Otherwise the abuse with it just is obnoxious, especially in fics (although sometimes I'm willing to accept it if the story is well-written, like you stated, just not the "Cass" thing because, ugh).

Edited at 2010-02-23 04:07 am (UTC)
noybusiness on February 23rd, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
We should do a study of how often they call him Castiel and how often they call him Cas in each episode, with a curve chart showing the change in the percentage of Cas usage. We could do a Sam + Dean one, a Sam one, and a Dean one.
Renéerogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
Well, I know for a fact that Dean has always called him Cas ever since early last season (the first time we heard him say it was at the beginning of 4.04 "Metamorphosis"). As for Sam, I think he goes back and forth between his full name and his nickname. Though other characters have said "Cas" since then as well, which kind of weirded me out a bit because I thought that that was Dean's shortened nickname for him.
BETTY WHITE DID IT - ALL OF IT - FOR YOU: SPN - Walk walk fashion babybubbles83 on February 23rd, 2010 04:28 am (UTC)
I don't care if it's the official spelling, Cass is STUPID. CAS FTW!
Renée: Castiel. BAMF.rogueslayer452 on February 23rd, 2010 04:31 am (UTC)
DAMN RIGHT, BB! CAS AND/OR CASTIEL (I love the name Castiel, it's so pretttttyy, just like him. ♥)
bold_seer: dean and casbold_seer on February 23rd, 2010 08:21 am (UTC)
I'm not interested in the Olympics in the slightest. But then I never am.

Cass is such a turn-off. Cassandra, Cassidy, Cassius -> Cass. Until we see Cas spell it like Cass on screen, I'll cling to the form with one s. And even then I'll argue against it.

Blah for blah neighbours.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on February 24th, 2010 09:14 pm (UTC)
I'll argue against it even if Kripke confirms it himself, since that's clearly not how it's supposed to be spelled. I AM STUBBORN YES I AM! *stomps foot* It's just, I've always thought that's how you spelled the shortened version of his name, and that other people who wrote it like that in fandom were just wrong, and it wasn't until recently that I found out otherwise. I WILL ARGUE AGAINST THIS BLASPHEMOUS SPELLING OF CASTIEL'S NAME TO THE DEATH! Or, you know, something like that. ;)
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: I did everything for you.sapphirestar_ on February 23rd, 2010 11:42 am (UTC)
i'm so not interested in the olympics. i've never been, really, because i don't much care for that sort of thing.

and JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE GET IT RIGHT MY GOD IT CANNOT BE THAT HARD. i get so annoyed at the 'cass' thing, i can't even. seriously. WHY WOULD YOU ADD AN 'S' THERE, ANYWAY? it's just asd,lfkjds;alkfjdlsfls i mean. i know it's such a small, small thing, and it shouldn't matter, but god, it does. i'm not even quite sure what it is, exactly. maybe it's that it does feminize his name, and it makes me think of cassie, or maybe it's that i think cas looks better than cass, idk. but i just don't understand how people get cass out of castiel, it just MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. and it's in the subtitles and some of the fic, too, so it's not like i can ignore it all the time.

and i'm sorry about your neighbours. D:
Renée: LORD CASCAS!rogueslayer452 on February 24th, 2010 09:22 pm (UTC)
I am interested in some of the Olympic sports, but there are some that I'm like "meh, whatever" about. Right now this year, totally not feeling any of them sans a few performances, but that's just about it.

GOD YES, EXACTLY. Small as it is, it's a small thing that makes all the difference, you know? Just a simple change or adding of a letter makes all the difference in the world towards his name. And it definitely looks better with a singular instead of a plural, otherwise can we say ick? LOL WE ARE JUST SO DEFENSIVE OVER OUR BELOVED ANGEL AND HIS NAME. ;D

Yeah, I'm sorry about my neighbors too. *beats them hard with a stick*
no good either: [SPN] Castiel doesn't understand that realanna_zero on February 23rd, 2010 07:49 pm (UTC)
I was recently watching SPN with German subtitles done by people from the internet and they also spelled it "Cass" and I was like "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT". Honestly, I can't stand it when it's spelled that way because that's just not...Cas.
Renée: Castiel. I don't understand.rogueslayer452 on February 24th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's just so...awkward-looking spelled like that. Although I always spell out his full name anyway, but if someone is writing it out, especially in fics where Dean is saying it, it has to be 'Cas' otherwise it is distracting.
kira_bouviea on February 23rd, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
Ah, the Cass v Cas debate.

Whenever I've seen the closed captioning on TV it's always spelled Cass and that's how I used to spell it too, but since most of fandom spells it Cas, that's what I've gotten used to. *shrugs*

As for those neighbors... passive agressiveness. It always works.
Renéerogueslayer452 on February 24th, 2010 09:07 pm (UTC)
THE GREAT CAS DEBATE! XD

It just depends on how one has viewed it really, since I know there are some that used the closed captioning and subtitles but as a whole it just doesn't seem right because it doesn't fit with his full name at all. It's just, awkward-looking.

Heh, I've tried passive aggressiveness with them, they don't seem to get it. :/
icecoldrain: Bones - Huge plastic ice-cream cone ftw.icecoldrain on February 24th, 2010 09:28 pm (UTC)
I still haven't started the Supernatural novels. I never see them at barnes and noble lol.

Okay, not his full name but his shorthanded nickname, it's written "Cass" instead of "Cas".
I don't know, I feel like it should be "Cas". Cass doesn't even look right, and where does the second "s" come from? lol. And when it's spelt "Cass" I think of the word cast for some reason lol. But that's probably the correct spelling of the short version for some reason, it just looks weird.
Renée: Castiel. Adorkable.rogueslayer452 on February 24th, 2010 09:35 pm (UTC)
They're always at Borders, which is where my sister got this one at. ;) And when it doubt, Amazon!

I don't know, I feel like it should be "Cas". Cass doesn't even look right, and where does the second "s" come from? lol.

My point exactly, why add another 's' that shouldn't be there in the first place? It makes no sense, and it's clearly irritating. I don't care if that's how some people spell it, it is NOT HOW YOU WRITE HIS NAME, OKAY? This is why I always write out his whole name all the time.
icecoldrain: Bones - Huge plastic ice-cream cone ftw.icecoldrain on February 24th, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
I only go to borders when I have a giftcard, they're always so mean and unhelpful there. But it might just be that one borders lol. They'd order it at barnes if I would just remember to bring the name of the writer instead of just the name of the first book so I wouldn't end up with a book with the same name lol.

It just doesn't make any sense. If I had a CAS DOES NOT APROVE macro I'd use it right now lol.