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01 May 2010 @ 05:07 pm
SPN: "The Devil You Know" Episode Review + Meta  
Supernatural 5.20 "The Devil You Know"

On their search to find Pestilence, the Winchesters are visited by Crowley who comes to them offering to help aide them in destroying Lucifer, and by that he offers to help them find Pestilence and get the third ring. Sam doesn't trust Crowley, Crowley doesn't trust Sam and thinks he's a moose, but Dean is willing to go along with it despite Sam's blatant disapproval. They locate Pestilence's "handler" so to speak, however some kind of connection is added for the dramatics when it turns out this demon has personal ties with Sam during his college years at Stanford, who introduced him to Jessica...and also is the one who killed her. This enrages Sam, and he almost Hulks out but Crowley interrupts by bringing the awesome, and after a few more confrontations the demon gives the location of Pestilence to the boys, and after that Sam gains his revenge. Towards the end Crowley visits Bobby, telling him about his alliance with the boys about defeating Lucifer, and offers Bobby a deal, a deal that he may or may not be willing to take to ensure the survival of the world....

The episode itself wasn't anything spectacular but it raises a few interesting points, although why they brought them up now than earlier this season is anyone's guess.


The Fantastically Awesome of Crowley: "That's what you get for working with a demon."



Here's the thing, I've always liked the concept of having a demon who aided the Winchesters through certain situations like this, in fact we were given somewhat of a head-start in the third season with what could have been the Ruby storyline until they completely ruined it and decided to go back on that decision. It always seemed odd to me that we have angels who were morally conflicted and could go either way, but the demons were always painted as always being evil and having tendencies no matter what. But finally, finally, we have a demon that understands the stakes and understands that instead of going by the basic demonic instincts a lot of the lower-ranking demons often do and team up with the Winchesters to achieve the same thing. He's not hiding ir sugarcoating anything about his personality, it's not suggesting that the boys rely on him completely since that's not the point of him joining them. The point is about survival; their endgames are similar, defeating Lucifer at all costs. He makes it clear that he's still a demon, he's still can be manipulative, but if they want to achieve this they have to be on the same page, and I like that.

And this is precisely the kind of allies the Winchesters need. Not necessarily meaning they have to start forming their own Scooby Gang, but at least having some familiar faces that they know could help them in the future if they so need to, you know? Backups, instead of being alone. Only Crowley, being a demon, after this is all over who knows where he'll stand regarding the Winchesters. As for right now though, they're definitely on the frenemy level.

One of the interesting things I found was how powerful Crowley is. He can appear and disappear instantaneously like an angel would, he doesn't seem to get hurt that easily, he has plenty of tricks up his sleeve (i.e. those magical coins he used to track down/listen in on the boys) and he has his own hellhound that is bigger than other hellhounds. Nope, Crowley isn't your average black-eyed demon, that's for sure. It's been mentioned that he was once Lilith's right-hand demon, so that could explain a lot about the certain abilities he's able to do, along with his respectable position. It's just fascinating to see a demon of his stature, a demon who cares about his reputation along with his survival, teaming with the boys to fight a common enemy. Being there are advantages to his abilities along with disadvantages, mostly for the boys but nevertheless it's helpful for them either way.

Crowley is an absolutely fantastic addition to recurring roles, and I just really love having this kind of character finally being introduced into the series. I just hope the show isn't going to do the predictable thing they've been doing and kill him off, because again, wasted opportunity. Because really, why get rid of such awesome characters like him?


Sam Winchester vs. Brady: Plot Device or Complete Retconning?

I have to say, while it's an interesting notion I wasn't entirely thrilled with the reveal about the demon Brady, mostly because I generally think it's sloppy retconning only to provide character drama for Sam and further whatever he's thinking about doing. Which, in all honesty, is kinda sad considering it's this late into the season.

I mean, I guess it could work in context of what was said. Demons have been following Sam around even before he realized it or understood what was going on, the Yellow-Eyed Demon always keeping an eye on him, making sure he would someday return to hunting and fulfill his destiny, the fact that YED ordered some lackey to do his dirty work for him. It's not an impossible way of going about these order of events, but I think my major gripe is having some random guy appear and then just now tell us their connection. If anything, they should have gotten someone we'd previously seen, like that guy friend in the pilot episode so there could have been some recognizable connection so it didn't seem like this was completely out of the blue. Instead, this felt like they needed something to really make a personal link between Sam and his anger to what happened to him, which we already know. Sam has anger the size of the Hulk, he has to learn how to control it.

If they were meaning to try to have some development concerning Sam and his rage and what he had previously talked to Bobby about, it could have been handled a bit differently. But I guess it was using something that Sam still was personally affected by to bring that out. I don't know, I guess I can understand where they wanted to go with that, it just didn't execute well in my eyes.

But this also brings me to what Sam had discussed with Bobby earlier in the episode. On one hand, I can certainly see this happening because it's about Sam gaining control over himself and using this opportunity to get amends and redeem himself like he's been attempting to do, on the other hand as evidence in this episode his rage is still going strong. All it would take for Lucifer to bring up one thing, one tiny personal thing like Jessica to tip him over the edge. Bobby is right, how can he control the devil if he can barely control himself? It would take a lot of willpower and strength, and we know that Sam is gung-ho about revenge and he's been trying to redeem that. But still. Angry Sam is big Hulk Angry, and that's the kind of anger and rage Lucifer wants, and unless he learns to really control such a powerful being in order to really do what he's planning on doing there's no way it'll end well. But of course, already knowing that they're ending the apocalypse this season we kinda get the idea that it will.

Though I will say, that's precisely the kind of ending I wanted to see happen. The rings may be somewhat of a deux ex machina but they're not the only contributor of defeating Lucifer and averting the Apocalypse from taking place. I've always believed it would be the power and strength of humanity that would weaken Lucifer because we know how much he hates us, hates humanity, so if Sam overpowers him that would be a complete nightmare for him and also perfect way of sending him back downstairs.

So yeah. This episode provided some useful information, but as far as the Sam and Brady thing I could have dealt without that being added.


Memorable Moments of the Episode:

++ Mostly all of Crowley's scenes, really. Mark Sheppard is just fantastic in the role (as he is in all of his roles, tbh) The right level of sarcasm and snark, his temper tantrum in the beginning which was excellently done, his dialogue (and Britishisms, hee) and interaction with the boys was just spot-on perfection. I hear he's going to be in next week's episode too, so I'm definitely looking forward to that. And if there is going to be a Crowley/Castiel interaction scene which, OH GOD YES PLEASE LET THERE BE ONE!

++ The fact that Crowley did a surprise!appearance in the backseat of the Impala is so much win, and he continually surprised the boys by his random appearing/disappearing acts.

++ Jensen really had spot-on reactions this episode, too. His facial expressions are just hilarious. I loved his "holy crap, we don't care" line to Crowley and his ranting to his visible gulping when talking with Brady and of course, this scene:



++ Aww, Dean getting a little whumped this episode. I kinda wonder why he just didn't use the knife on Brady then instead of getting kicked in the side repeatedly? I don't know. But his visible gulp once realizing his strategy of speechifying his way of getting Brady to compromise wasn't working was very endearing, idky but it was just too cute. Along with him being all, "ooookayy, spinning chair by itself" Hee.

++ "That's what you get for working with a demon." <--- TRUER FACTS HAVE NEVER BEEN STATED, BB. <333

++ I do have to say, Sam is bigger than Dean. How Dean managed to push him back easily when Sam is going all GGGRRR I HULK YOU DIE is amazing to me. I don't know, I think Jared looks much bigger when he's angrier and, I definitely don't want to get in the path of raged!Sammy, no I do not.

++ LOL @ CROWLEY CALLING SAM A MOOSE. XD Does this mean that Dean is Squirrel? lol

++

LOL CROWLEY YOU ARE SO GAY, I LOVE IT!

++ BRINGING HIS OWN BIGGER AND BADDER HELLHOUND TO THE PARTY = OMFG AWESOME SHIT. \O/\O/\O/ THIS IS WHY I LOVE CROWLEY, OKAY? HE DISAPPEARS ONLY TO REAPPEAR WITH BETTER PLANS OF ACTION. AND THAT IS JUST, IDEK, JUST FUCKING AMAZING OKAY? CROWLEY BB NEVER LEAVE ME.

++ Dean and Crowley are ultimate frenemies now, and I love it. I think what I enjoyed most was how despite Sam's objections to teaming up with Crowley, Dean was willing to take all the chances they had offered to them, and even Bobby kind of agreed in a sense. I guess Sam knows what it feels like when your brother chooses a demon over you, so heh. But even so, Crowley is made of awesome, way more than fail!Ruby (Katie!Ruby still rules in my book, and holy shit can you imagine Katie!Ruby and Crowley together in the same room? THE SNARK BB, THE SNARK WOULD BE GLORIOUS!) But I loved the end when they were lining the salt in the alleyway and Crowley looks at Dean and Dean doesn't finish the line until Crowley crosses over it. That right there is a perfect example of how Dean can accept demons when they come through in the end, even if he doesn't outright fully trust him, he believes if what Crowley has to offer. I like that.

++ I honestly thought that Sam was going to leave Brady there instead of kill him, you know? Leave a demon trapped between a wall and a line of salt, and even if he did manage to escape other demons would be coming after him. But then Sam killed him. Oh well.

++ CROWLEY AND BOBBY = FOR THE WIN. \O/ My favorite line, other than Bobby's fantastical snark one?



LOL FOREVER! This kind of reminisces back in S3 when Bobby shot Katie!Ruby with the Colt and she goes, "Ouch!"

++ But this kind of makes me worry that this seals Bobby's fate. :( I have no idea what's gonna happen but I'm fearing that either Bobby or Castiel isn't going to make it in the end, and that's a terrible feeling to have. :(((

++ WHERE THE FUCK IS MY BB CASTIEL?! I MISS CASTIEL! AND THE FACT THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO EPISODES MORE THAN LAST SEASON PISSES ME OFF THAT WE WERE PROMISES 17 EPISODES OF HIS CHARACTER THIS SEASON AND WE HAVE YET TO SEE MORE OF HIS CHARACTER IN THESE FINAL EPISODES AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO TO TELL HIS STORY AND REGAINING HIS FAITH IN GOD AND HIS JOURNEY AND ALL OF THIS IDEK. THERE BETTER BE A GOOD FUCKING EXPLANATION FOR HIS ABSENCE OR THERE WILL BE ANGRY LETTERS SET TO KRIPKE, I AM NOT JOKING PPL.


Overall: If Crowley wasn't in this episode it wouldn't have been fun, I'll just put this out there right now. For the last few episodes I've been enjoying the supporting characters rather than our two main guys on the show, and that's kind of sad saying that but hey, it's true. The show has been kind of dragging its heels with this Apocalypse this season that it's getting to the point where we're down to two episodes and there's still nothing that leads up to what is going to happen. This episode was highly enjoyable because of Crowley's involvement, I could have done without the Sam/Brady scenes because that was mostly filler to add the ~character drama for Sam. But it does raise some interesting questions that I hope we get to in these last two episodes and there better be stellar explanations for whatever is going to happen otherwise I'm calling major foul.

This includes explaining where the hell Castiel has been and why it's taken the boys this long to find him because if there isn't something like that in the next episode I am just going to raise some hell.


Can we just forget about a season six and just have a spin-off series with the angels/archangels, preferably with Castiel's personal journey with his family, with some added Crowley to to mix? Perhaps a little Ghostfacers for kicks? As much as I love the boys I find those backstories of such supporting characters much more compelling to watch and to be explored further than the Winchester stuff lately. Just saying.
 
 
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Cookie Simone: Hmm...cookie_simone on May 2nd, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)
Can we just forget about a season six and just have a spin-off series with the angels/archangels, preferably with Castiel's personal journey with his family, with some added Crowley to to mix?

I said a similar thing to ibroketuesday earlier! I want a Crowley/Castiel spin-off! They would make an excellent team. Crowley would make lots of slash jokes and Castiel would look puzzled and tilt his head at them.

Speaking of slash, if Bobby takes Crowley's deal, does that mean they're going to kiss?
Renée: Castiel. I'm almost out of minutes!rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 03:55 am (UTC)
I JUST WANT A CROWLEY/CASTIEL/GABRIEL TEAM OF AWESOME. I'D WATCH THE SHIT OUT OF THAT WEEKLY.

You're assuming they haven't already kissed. ;) But yes, I think if Bobby does accept the deal there might be some smooching happening. which might be a next step towards a Dean/Cas making out scene....
ashley: tv; bsg » feelin' goodkitsu84 on May 2nd, 2010 03:54 am (UTC)
I want Crowley and Castiel to have a Good Omens type spin-off. I mean, just imagine it: Crowley with his snark, and Castiel with his, "I don't understand that reference." The potential hilarity of it... Oh, my god, I can't even. aslkjdnslkdnksld. WANT NOW.

Also, I would like to reiterate how much I loved LOVERS IN LEAGUE AGAINST SATAN. Does this mean that maybe - just maybe - we finally have a canonically bi character on the show? \o/
Renée: Cylons. Happy endings are love.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 04:06 am (UTC)
OMGYES THAT WOULD BE MOST HILARIOUS AND AWESOME. ME WANTS THAT. NOW.

Does this mean that maybe - just maybe - we finally have a canonically bi character on the show? \o/

Perhaps? Maybe? I hope so, it certainly seems that way to me. IF SO I WANT THIS TO BE A STEP UP BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET TO A SCENE WHERE DEAN AND CASTIEL ARE MAKING OUT/HUMPING EACH OTHER LIKE HORNY TEENAGERS.
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Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 06:50 am (UTC)
It should be made, dammit. We should petition to Kripke and be like, screw anything involved a sixth season dude. Have it be all about Castiel and the angels. That's the kind of shit we want to see.

DON'T LIE, YOU LOVE THEM.

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Renée: Dean/Castiel. UST UNFFF.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 07:12 am (UTC)
*GASP* STFU AND TAKE THAT BACK!
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Renée: Lady Gaga. You've got wings bb.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 07:19 am (UTC)
Then you'd hate the majority of my music collection, since I am addicted to pop everything from bubblegum pop to dance/techno pop, even laidback pop. I LOVE ALL SORTS OF POP MUSIC IT OWNS MY SOULLLLL. Although in all seriousness, I love all music genres. Pop, punk, country, hip-hop/urban/rap, classical, metal....I'm not judgmental, I love it all. ;p

BUT LADY GODGA WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU:

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Renée: Kahlan. Following the path.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 07:30 am (UTC)
Actually, yes. I do wear different styles of clothes depending on my mood that day or what I feel like wearing (I have a wide variety of styles, which explains why my entire closet is packed with so many clothes). I also do tend to read a wide variety of books, even movies and television shows too.

I think it's great to keep yourself open-minded about things, because it makes you a better well-rounded individual. Otherwise, you're closing yourself off to many different things that you don't know whether are good or not. And I find that if someone just listens to one style of music or just likes one particular genre of anything, that's snobbery of the worst kind. That means you're not giving anything a chance, and it's of plain ignorance. I like trying different things and you don't have to always define or label yourself just based off what you should listen to. That's giving into stereotypes and I think it's amazing for people to break away from such stereotypes, to say hey, we're all unique and all individual people with different tastes and we can like different things regardless.

Wow, this turned into a kind of a rant. But yeah.
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Renée: Sierra. Incognito.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 07:45 am (UTC)
I just feel like my life's too short to waste it on everything, I'd rather enjoy things I really like :D

But even with that notion of life being too short, shouldn't you be trying more things outside of your familiarity instead of just limiting to what you like within that time? What if you discover something else that adds to that list? You might be missing out. ;)
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forwardish: SPN Dean Winchester best PA everforwardish on May 2nd, 2010 07:25 am (UTC)
Crowley is awesome. Let it be said that this is largely due to the fact that Mark Sheppard is FUCKING AWESOME.
Renée: BRB EPIC SHIT HAPPENING!rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 07:33 am (UTC)
THIS IS TRUFAX BB. MARK SHEPPARD PRETTY MUCH OWNED THIS EPISODE. I WANT HIM BRINGING THE SNARK TO THE BOYS ALL THE TIME. WITH CASTIEL, BECAUSE CAN YOU IMAGINE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO? HOLY SHIT YES.

PLZ DON'T KILL HIM OFF SHOW. OR ELSE YOU'LL SUFFER MY FANGIRLING WRATH!
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on May 2nd, 2010 07:57 am (UTC)
Bobby and Crowley saved this eps. from being completely boring. The rest of it I don't give a shit about.

More importantly, where the fuck is Cas?! I mean I just don't get the writers. They could have done so many interesting things with his character instead he was mostly used a plot device and comedy relief. WTH?

And I have a feeling that he or Bobby or possibly both are going to die in the next eps. and if they do, I quit this show. I like Sam and Dean but they are just not drawing me in anymore.

Renée: Caprica. Zoe Graystone.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 08:37 am (UTC)
And I have a feeling that he or Bobby or possibly both are going to die in the next eps. and if they do, I quit this show. I like Sam and Dean but they are just not drawing me in anymore.

Sadly, I'm going to agree. :/ I mean I know the show is about the boys and the Winchesters saga and all of that but, seriously? You can add in more characters and still it be about the boys and their journey. It doesn't have to be ALL ABOUT THEM AND THEM ONLY. They can have allies and friends, it doesn't always have to be a doom or gloom situation whenever they meet someone. And you know, I love the brotherly dynamics they have, but they've been dragging themselves in their issues for a long time now without much resolve. It gets repetitive.

I think they had a lot going for them giving Castiel his own story arc; him going on his mission to find God, helping out the boys, trying to find his way, etc. But we didn't see much of that or him using the amulet (which I hoped we could have had something like that in an episode, even if just a glimpse) and we just weren't given enough. Which is why I suggest a spin-off. Castiel deserves his own show to really give us his character arc expand because there's SO MUCH rich material there, not just with him but the entire Heaven/angel stuff.

I do love this show but I sometimes feel like we were promised one thing but it went in a whole different direction and not for the good, either.
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Renée: Victor!Topher. FTW!rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 08:39 am (UTC)
HE IS THE DEFINITION OF HOW YOU GET GREAT GUEST-STARS. HE ROCKED IT. TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY.

Moreover, the character of Crowley is just rich and a breath of fresh air concerning a demon. I was mildly disappointed with what they did with Ruby because I had originally that they were going to go in that direction with her. But then that was made up by bringing in Mark Sheppard who is such a BAMF and wins at everything. <3333
goldenusagigoldenusagi on May 2nd, 2010 08:58 am (UTC)
I thought the Brady thing was sort of a retcon. Just something to give Sam more drama. I mean, I'll buy that Jess was just another cog in the big plan, but it hadn't been presented that way in five seasons, so it just sort of screams retcon to me to just now be bringing it up.

Crowley's hellhound will never not be awesome.

I do love that Crowley is a powerful demon who's decided to help the boys. I also love his random appearing and disappearing. (Though I wish the show had been a little more consistent about or explained why some demons can do that and others can't.)
Renée: Castiel. Prayer Circle!rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 09:41 am (UTC)
Most definitely a retcon, if only to give Sam more ~drama to overcome with his anger. I wouldn't have minded if they tried bringing that up earlier but now? Yeah, not a great move, show.

Though I wish the show had been a little more consistent about or explained why some demons can do that and others can't

I kind of always assumed it depended on their ranking and position, like Crowley had the advantage from being Lilith's ring-hand demon and all of that, and with him making deals and whatnot. Which explains why he has more power than other demons do. So honestly, I don't think they really need to explain it if one thinks about their ranking in that sense, although I do think the show needs at least a diagram of the demonic hierarchy system because it does get a little confusing about who is leading the charge and who isn't. Same with the angel hierarchy, since they don't seem to be following in the traditional biblical format (other than the archangels, of course).
goldenusagigoldenusagi on May 2nd, 2010 10:13 am (UTC)
Well, like Lilith has to be higher than Crowley, yet in 4.18, she didn't disappear when the archangel was coming, she left in a cloud of smoke. Same after Dean went to hell in 3.16. You think if any demon could disappear, she'd be able to.

Alastair, Azazel and Ruby also had the habit of turning up right behind you, but Crowley is the only one where we've seen the camera actually watch him disappear and reappear.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2010 10:23 am (UTC)
Hmm, you definitely have a point there. That's certainly something that should be addressed, or at least asked at Kripke and/or the writers on whether or not there's some explanation for that. Or if they just thought it would be ~cool rather than have any kind of logical explanation for "why" and "how", which some creators do sometimes.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on May 2nd, 2010 10:28 am (UTC)
Next time I do a rewatch, I'd like to take note of the times in the early season a demon just appears (when they're not summoned). Azazel did it, but it seems he also left by smoke (though I can't remember offhand). But yeah, if you have the power of appearing and disappearing, it doesn't make any sense to ditch out of your meatsuit when you're threatened.
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: and people say I'm easy.sapphirestar_ on May 2nd, 2010 01:09 pm (UTC)
And this is precisely the kind of allies the Winchesters need. [...] at least having some familiar faces that they know could help them in the future if they so need to, you know? Backups, instead of being alone.

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. i think this is what the show's missing, really. there's bobby. and then there's ... bobby. everyone else is dead. bobby's been a solid constant ever since his first appearance, because even when he wasn't in most of the episodes, we knew he was there for the boys, no matter what. but they need more. what kind of fucked up bullshit is that when everyone they know ends up dead? seriously. ellen, jo, pamela, ash, gabriel. hell, even papa winchester. everyone who's ever seriously helped them has died, not including bobby. and then there's cas, and then there's crowley, and with the way it's been going, and i don't feel really good about their chances of surviving this season. i mean, crowley wouldn't even have to be in most of the episodes. i'd just love it if he survived, you know, if he was out there, came to the show a few times when he needed some winchester help or the boys needed his help. that'd be awesome.

but hey. maybe the show's learning. there's still hope. THERE BETTER BE.

and re: powerful crowley, oh man, my thoughts exactly. i don't know much about him other than what we've seen in the episodes, and everything else i know is my own imagination derived from good omens, which, er, yeah. but i've always thought that crowley's one of the big guys. not the big guys, but old enough and powerful enough to be far above the usual demons we see on the show.

ALSO ALSO OMG JENSEN'S FACIAL EXPRESSIONS WILL NEVER NOT BE HILARIOUS. :D :D :D

Dean and Crowley are ultimate frenemies now, and I love it.

ME TOO SO DAMN MUCH OH MY GOD. it's insane how awesome it is. seriously. and it's just. for all intents and purposes, they should not get along, like at all. but they do, and it's awesome, and i think they're both starting to (reluctantly) respect each other, just a bit, because they know turning against each other wouldn't solve a thing. i just can't wait to see more of these two. and lol, i keep thinking about cas coming back and seeing their new ~friendship~ and crowley going all IDK MY NEW BFF DEAN to make cas all angry and shit, because he's a demon and that's what demons do. :D :D :D
Renée: SPN. TEAM FREE WILL FUCK YEAH!rogueslayer452 on May 3rd, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)
bobby's been a solid constant ever since his first appearance, because even when he wasn't in most of the episodes, we knew he was there for the boys, no matter what. but they need more. what kind of fucked up bullshit is that when everyone they know ends up dead?

Exactly. While perhaps they think they can't handle writing for multiple characters all the time, it's not like it has to be having all these characters together all the time. It can be spread out in recurring roles, like how they've handled Bobby over the course of the series since, like you said, he's there when the boys need him. They need more allies on their side, and killing them off like that is kind of getting old and tired. I mean if anything have it be that such characters are still roaming around out there if you can't always bring them back, you know?

I want to be reassured that the show will be keeping some characters instead of killing them off, but I'm not holding my breath. :/

but i've always thought that crowley's one of the big guys. not the big guys, but old enough and powerful enough to be far above the usual demons we see on the show.

Simply put: CROWLEY >>>>> ALL OTHER DEMONS. ;)

i keep thinking about cas coming back and seeing their new ~friendship~ and crowley going all IDK MY NEW BFF DEAN to make cas all angry and shit, because he's a demon and that's what demons do. :D :D :D

LOL I CAN JUST IMAGINE THE CONFRONTATION WHEN CAS RETURNS. "SO WHILE I WAS AWAY HAVING SACRIFICED MYSELF ~AGAIN~ FOR YOU, YOU'VE BEEN CHUMMING WITH SOME DEMON?! WTF DEAN?" XD AND OF COURSE CASTIEL WILL BE ALL BITCHY AND START TELEKINETICALLY THROWING SHIT ALL OVER BECAUSE HE WILL NOT LOSE HIS DEAN TO CROWLEY. AND OF COURSE CROWLEY WILL MAKE GAY JOKES ABOUT THEM AND FIND IT HILARIOUS WHILE SAM FACEPALMS IN THE BACKGROUND.

FUCK, IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE NEXT EPISODE I WILL BE GREATLY DISAPPPOINTED. LOL
cheerful_earl: Team Free Willcheerful_earl on May 3rd, 2010 10:11 am (UTC)
I could have done without the Sam/Brady scenes because that was mostly filler to add the ~character drama for Sam.

The more I think about it, the more this was my problem. It was unnecessary character drama. I liked Brady a lot, but his role could have been condensed to be less about ~angry Sam~ and more about the PLOT. I mean, why throw in the Jessica thing? That was a direct retcon in the guise of a "Oh, we said this but meant this other thing". I could have bought Sam and Brady being college friends, a little drama there with the whole "demonic destiny" thing... I don't know. I don't know where they're going.

But wherever it is, it better have CASTIEL. I WANT MY BB BACK!

(In all seriousness, I am preparing myself for his death. I don't want it, but I'm terrified of it. A lot)

Can we just forget about a season six and just have a spin-off series with the angels/archangels, preferably with Castiel's personal journey with his family, with some added Crowley to to mix? Perhaps a little Ghostfacers for kicks?

Um. Yes. I would TOTALLY watch that.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on May 3rd, 2010 10:35 am (UTC)
Brady was great and I did like the whole conversation between Bobby and Sam about the struggle of maintaining his anger to defeat Lucifer (which although really fucking risky, could actually work in theory) but adding the Jessica thing in there? Total retcon and I was like, lol okay show we get it. It's all tied to Sam from the beginning. Can we move on now? It really was just unnecessary character drama that we didn't really need. Hence why everything else with Crowley and Dean and Brady (that wasn't involving Sam) was FANTASTIC. idk, I think they show needed to involve Sammy in some way.

But wherever it is, it better have CASTIEL. I WANT MY BB BACK!

YOU AND ME BOTH! And I agree, I'm terrified what the show is going to do with my beloved bb, mostly since we haven't had much time on his character on an individual level and if they just end things I am going to be so pissed off and depressed, idk.

THINK HAPPY THOUGHTS! LET US THINK HAPPY SHINY THOUGHTS!

I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PITCH IN AND GIVE THESE IDEAS TO KRIPKE - BE LIKE DUDE, FUCK S6 AND JUST HAVE AN ENTIRELY NEW PREQUEL SAGA OF THE ANGELS AND THEIR FAMILY ISSUES. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FANS WOULD WATCH THE SHIT OUT OF, FOR REAL NOW. *NODS*
cheerful_earl: Team Free Willcheerful_earl on May 3rd, 2010 10:43 am (UTC)
Sam about the struggle of maintaining his anger to defeat Lucifer (which although really fucking risky, could actually work in theory)

You think it could? I understand it in theory, but I don't know. I mean, demonic possession is one thing, but we've never had a hint that vessels have any control. We know they have some sort of recollection, but if Raphael burns out his vessel's mind, Lucifer's going to also. Plus, it seems like once you give consent, that body belongs to you for as long as you need it. So IDK. But theoretically, I guess it could work (I mean, Jimmy was aware of Cas, like the possessed are aware of demons).

I'm terrified what the show is going to do with my beloved bb, mostly since we haven't had much time on his character on an individual level and if they just end things I am going to be so pissed off and depressed, idk.

This. Gah. It would be so bad. SO BAD. :(

I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PITCH IN AND GIVE THESE IDEAS TO KRIPKE - BE LIKE DUDE, FUCK S6 AND JUST HAVE AN ENTIRELY NEW PREQUEL SAGA OF THE ANGELS AND THEIR FAMILY ISSUES. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FANS WOULD WATCH THE SHIT OUT OF, FOR REAL NOW. *NODS*

YES. YES YES YES. I WOULD LOVE A PREQUEL SAGA. OR A SEQUEL SAGA. OR BOTH. THEY COULD GO THROUGHOUT TIME. I WOULD WATCH THE HELL OUT OF THAT SHOW.
Renée: Castiel. Wings.rogueslayer452 on May 3rd, 2010 11:15 am (UTC)
Honestly, I've always had the pet theory that because it would be difficult to defeat Lucifer, given how powerful he is, that the one thing that would be his Kryptonite would be the strength/love of humanity, and if Sam could control himself long enough from his anger to use that against Lucifer that it could work. Especially since love is the opposite of what Lucifer needs to fuel himself. But I'm not entirely sure they'll go in that direction, since we don't have a lot of time with two episodes and other things that need explanation (such as Dean's involvement with everything, how he's supposed to stop it along with his brother).

I'm just thinking in a lot of different scenarios of how this can all end, because with only two episodes left and with just the rings now being brought into focus, I'm up for any other theories of how they can defeat Lucifer, if not kill him.

YES. YES YES YES. I WOULD LOVE A PREQUEL SAGA. OR A SEQUEL SAGA. OR BOTH. THEY COULD GO THROUGHOUT TIME. I WOULD WATCH THE HELL OUT OF THAT SHOW.

PETITION TIME, Y/Y? BRING BACK GABRIEL FOR THAT, AND IT WILL BE A PARTY! \O/
cheerful_earl: Lucifer and Castielcheerful_earl on May 4th, 2010 06:35 am (UTC)
Honestly, I've always had the pet theory that because it would be difficult to defeat Lucifer, given how powerful he is, that the one thing that would be his Kryptonite would be the strength/love of humanity, and if Sam could control himself long enough from his anger to use that against Lucifer that it could work.

That does make sense. I think my thing with that is that Dean has always been the one pressing the fact that they have to save everyone. He swayed Cas onto humanity's side; he swayed Gabriel. So invoking love of humanity seems very Dean to me. IDK. They have played up the brotherly love a lot (as always, heh), so maybe they could go for something that's a combination of the two?

They have so much to explain. Dean's involvement- beside the Michael stuff, because there HAS to be more- and God and the two remaining Horsemen... Wow. I am so overwhelmed just thinking about it.
Renée: Castiel/Lucifer. Angels of the Lord.rogueslayer452 on May 4th, 2010 09:33 am (UTC)
Yeah, I definitely agree. We know they're both players in the bigger picture, everything they've done, all the paths they went down all leads to this big moment, so it all depends on how it'll be handled and how they're achieve defeating this entire thing together. Keyword being how, with two episodes left.

OVERWHELMING LIKE WHOA! O_O