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10 November 2010 @ 11:16 am
SPN: "Family Matters" Episode Review + Meta  
Supernatural 6.07 "Family Matters"

In investigating what is wrong with Sam, Dean and Castiel come to the startling revelation that Sam doesn't have his soul. They investigate further with Grandpa Campbell hoping for some answers, only to discover that he does have his soul intact, leaving more questions than answers. During this time we learn that their grandfather doesn't trust Dean and thinks he's a liability, as do the rest of the Campbell clan, however Dean knows they are up to shady business after witnessing them kidnapping the Alpha Vamp for whatever purposes they have. He and Sam come to an understanding that they need to know what is going on, so they track the Campbells to their secretive hideaway where they learn some interesting and startling news about what has been happening this entire time. Even more shocking is when Crowley makes a surprise appearance in revealing his connection with the whole ordeal and what happened to Sam's soul, leaving more shady business with the Campbells and an unknown future for the Winchester brothers and where they stand in this.

This episode was a pleasant surprise after the recent episodes, and gave us some interesting revelations and twists on certain plot-points. It's not entirely perfect, but it's a start...


The King of Hell: What Are Crowley's Intentions?

With a shocking revelation towards the end of the episode it had gotten me wondering what Crowley's truest intentions are. Granted he revealed certain things that make sense when you put the puzzle together, however being a demon that he is I feel like there's something he's not telling us, particularly concerning Sam's soul.

It seems rather odd that Crowley has not only the ability to bring back both Grandfather Campbell and Sam, but also to make a deal with their grandfather but not to Sam. It would seem like he's using Sam as a leverage in getting what he wants and Grandfather Campbell is part of that ploy, but is Crowley really powerful enough to do something like this? Is it because he's the King of Hell? But even so, how could he get Sam out from Lucifer's cage like that? Demons couldn't get Lucifer out and went to extreme lengths for years, centuries even, to even make verbal contact with him, so how could a demon like Crowley do it, even if he upgraded his status? Also, how does a demon get promoted like that? Who was the former King of Hell anyway? The Yellow-Eyed Demon? Has Hell been vacant of their new "king" for the longest time since that happened, since they've been at war?

These are pressing questions that the show needs to answer in order to get the full picture of the situation.

Nevertheless, because of these things I'm wondering if Crowley is telling the truth about whether he's holding Sam's soul. While Sam is particularly soulless, an unflinching heartless robot that cannot tell right from wrong anymore and continues to lie relentlessly at everyone he comes in contact with, he has been able to clearly tell if others are lying, knowing their "tells" and getting them to reveal the truth. In this episode Sam says that Crowley is bluffing, and while Crowley is denying that he is he definitely might as well be. Demons do often bend the truth and lie constantly. There could be the possibility that Crowley only knows who has Sam's soul and is playing this up, like an elaborate plan of holding this over their heads in order to get the brothers to do his dirty work for him in getting him Alphas to give them clues where purgatory is located and how to breech it. He probably thought he had leverage with Bobby's soul but that backfired, and now he thinks perhaps he could use the leverage of Sam's soul, whether he does own it or not, to be part of this scheme.

Whatever the case may be, it's kind of obvious that Crowley wants to take over purgatory since he's clearly unhappy about his current position of being ruler of Hell. I'm kind of pleased with this reveal and character development because all in all, it makes sense given these motivations and what is happening. Hopefully we'll get more answers to this that either confirms or debunks my suspicions regarding the souls business.


Mythology: The Paranormal and Purgatory

One of the intriguing developments this episode brought us was purgatory, or rather the concept of purgatory, which is supposedly where the "souls" of supernatural creatures go to when they die.

It's interesting because that has been one of the burning questions found in meta since the beginning, I think even in the show itself at some points and the boys obviously didn't know. Well it seems like we're finally getting into that part of the mythology. Of course this raises more questions whether this is going to be a created purgatory for the show or are they going to go for the traditional version of it. Which might lead to the possibility that the souls/spirits of humans are also there as well. Like John and Mary Winchester for example, their souls weren't found in Heaven as confirmed from last season so it makes us wonder whether they are trapped in purgatory as well (and maybe that's one of the deals made by Crowley, perhaps Samuel knew that his daughter hadn't been in Heaven and that there could be a possibility she might be held in purgatory and the only way to find out is to be Crowley's buttmonkey to find answers, hmmmm.....)

Could angels also be trapped in purgatory too? Because that would also be an interesting twist of things, and a chance to bring back certain characters....*cough*GABRIEL*cough*

I'm highly intrigued with where this entire thing is heading. Mostly because it's part of the mythology and being me, I love anything dealing with the mythology of the show, and I want to know how they're gonna deal with this. While I'm still kind of meh with this season I want to know how they're gonna connect everything involving what is happening to this. That's the main thing, especially since with Crowley being in the middle of it was a nice surprise and a pleasant twist of events where it all makes sense. I want this storyline with purgatory to go somewhere exciting.


Memorable Moments of the Episode:

++ CASTIEL IN THE FIRST TEN MINUTES BB! \O/ Seriously, the best thing to see is Castiel in the beginning scene of any episode. Also, I loved how that beginning scene was shot, the blurring-coming-into-focus to illustrate Sam coming back to consciousness...and of course having Castiel looking directly at you into the camera. I don't know why, but that amuses me. His curious "what is this?" expressions kills me and makes me lol. Plus him being "doctor" and inspecting Sam, lol, that was hilarious.

++ "Is he speaking in tongues? Are you speaking in tongues?" I love how thorough Castiel loves to be with his question, lol. XD

++ LET'S TAKE A MOMENT AND LOOK AT HOW FUCKING CLOSE THEY ARE STANDING, OKAY? JUST LOOK.




PROFOUND BOND FOREVER. ♥


Seriously you guys, isn't this precisely the same distance they were in during last season with the "personal space" issue? I mean the room is big enough, and yet they're standing so close like the walls are closing in or that Sam might overhear them because they are talking loud for him to hear them. They are just that close. No that I'm complaining of course, the more lacking in personal space boundaries between them the better. But I found it so hilariously awesome that just one more inch they would be kissing or touching noses at least. Oh OTP, why you be so adorable? *draws hearts all around them*

++ I still don't like the Campbells. They are all shady motherfuckers who need to all die, kthx.

++ Dean calls Castiel their "wingman" and I love it, especially since he knew that Castiel was already there before he was there. He knows when and where his boyfriend is gonna show up. <3

++ "MY TRUE FORM IS APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF YOUR CHRYSLER BUILDING." <--- will never get old!

This entire moment between Castiel and Creepy Grandfather Campbell just was amazing. It was like them sizing each other up and measuring and whatnot. XD Plus Castiel bragging about his angelic visage is awesome, and Dean making a casual comment about it made the entire thing even better. I also think that Castiel doesn't trust Grandfather Campbell (as he should be) and being questioned of his size made him even more defensive of himself, like he doesn't need to explain but dammit he wasn't gonna let this jerkoff insult him. And he's very protective of his Dean so, you know.

LOOK AT HIS INTENSE LOOK HERE. CAS MEANS BUSINESS BITCHES, LOL!



++ DEAN STOP BEING A DICK TO YOUR BOYFRIEND CASTIEL. Seriously. This needs to stop. Castiel has issues too, you know, not everything revolves around your needs.

++ Hearing Castiel's sad sarcasm was heartbreaking, because it was sarcasm and it was meant to be a jab at Dean's selfishness in that moment and having zero regard for Castiel and his stuff. When I was watching the episode with my sister she thought what Cas said was sweet, however I later corrected her in saying that it was a sarcastic remark that had a sadness to it. It was saying that oh of course his needs are first and be damned anything else that is happening, which is a common recurrence with these boys it seems. -___- I hope this is somewhat significant and doesn't cause a huge rift down the line.....



HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S GONNA CRY IN THIS SCENE, DOESN'T HE? ;______; OH CAS BB.

++ CHRISTIAN IS A DICKWAD. Though thankfully he was revealed to be a demon the entire time so, huzzah.

++ Again I say, I don't like any of the Campbells. At all. Which is a shame and I guess it's supposed to be like that, but I just want them gone forever. :/ And calling Dean a "reject"? Fucktards. At least that chick Gwen apologized, but I'm sketchy about her in general. She seems alright for the most part, but you never know. She's probably gonna wind up dead anyhow though so, meh.

++ So happy that Dean confronted Sam on everything. I mean really, this is how the the angst should be. Productive. Talking it out, working together and resolving shit, at least a little bit, is what we want to see happen. Not rehash all the same melodramatic shit every single episode.

++ IT'S SIMON!!!!!!!!!!



All my Battlestar Galactica peeps will know. It's exciting to see fellow BSG alums guest-starring on this show, there's been over a dozen of them over the seasons. This is the fourth Cylon to make an appearance. And Rick Worthy was absolutely perfect in this role as the Alpha Vampire. He has that perfect eerie calmness about him that is so creepifying yet appropriate. I loved the way he talks, the way he calmly explains things to the boys, the way he communicates. I especially loved his "NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN" expression with the torture devices used, lol. Guys, he's an alpha, that shit don't faze him at all.

++ Second on the BSG cast alum is our surprising recurring guest.....



Seriously, how awesome is Mark Sheppard as Crowley? I literally squeed when we panned over to see him standing there. \O/ Loved the entire reveal; Christian being a demon, Crowley being the operator the entire time, Creep Grandfather Campbell being his bitch, the soul situation, purgatory, etc.

"Me: Charlie, you: angels." <--- Perhaps the best quote from the man this episode. ilu Mark/Crowley. ♥

++ Can I just mention one thing? I still don't trust Sam. I still think he has something to hide. I mean, I know that while the cat is out of the bag regarding him being utterly soulless and him admitting to it, he's still lying and he's still been playing this game the entire time. There's a difference I think between not knowing what the fuck is happening to you and your behavior pattern has changed to the things Sam had deliberately done recently, such as lying straight to his brother's face time and time again, and only telling the truth when he gets caught red-handed, watching him get turned into a vampire and allowing him to be a danger to himself and others, and of course trusting the Campbells despite everything suspicious that has been happening and not seeing it. I think despite all of this Sam is just lost and yes, all of this behavior is psychotic. He may say otherwise, but we don't know precisely what he's thinking or how his entire thought process works without having a soul. When asked what it's like to live without a soul, I seriously really want to know the answer to that.

Plus this?



His expression there? Is scary. Soulless as he may be, this entire expression is ominous and asking that question really doesn't reassure me of anything right now. I don't know if it's just me, but this isn't gonna end well. *nervous*


Overall: This episode was definitely a fine improvement from the episodes this season. In fact I was legitimately surprised at how much I enjoyed this episode overall, since I kind of dislike anything dealing with the Campbells, but at least we'd gotten answers and then some. Everything from involving the Alpha Vampire and the concept of purgatory to Crowley's involvement was very well done, and it's actually gotten me back into being interested in this part of the show. We see the brothers actually working together than being on polar opposites this go around and actually working through their angstiness rather than dwelling on it. Castiel, while there should have been more of him (as he should always be) was a delight to see as always. ♥ I just wish there is more Castiel in the future and more Dean/Castiel interaction, something where Dean apologizes to Cas for being such a dick lately, but that is just hopeful wishing at this point. I do like where the direction is headed where Crowley and the alpha/purgatory stuff is going anyhow. I hope there's more with that as the episodes continues.


Furthermore, aside from hearing Misha Collins' voiceover before the episode began (\O/ our bb is getting publicity hallelujah!), I read in an article somewhere that it was actually Mark Sheppard's idea for him to not be featured in the opening credits because he knew fans would appreciate being surprised right along Sam and Dean. He's one sly, smart man that Mark Sheppard, and I love him for it. ♥
 
 
 
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexylove_jackianto on November 10th, 2010 07:37 pm (UTC)
'++ Dean calls Castiel their "wingman" and I love it, especially since he knew that Castiel was already there before he was there.'
I wonder if that makes Dean Maverick, Castiel Iceman and Sam is Goose.

'His expression there? Is scary. Soulless as he may be, this entire expression is ominous and asking that question really doesn't reassure me of anything right now.'
Tell me about it.

'Hearing Castiel's sad sarcasm was heartbreaking, because it was sarcasm and it was meant to be a jab at Dean's selfishness in that moment and having zero regard for Castiel and his stuff.'
True. I wish Cas would call Dean out on it like Bobby did, but I doubt it will ever happen.

All in all. I really liked this episode, much more than some of the other ones.
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Dominance.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 04:13 am (UTC)
True. I wish Cas would call Dean out on it like Bobby did, but I doubt it will ever happen.

It really makes me wish for another wall!slamming episode between the two because it seriously needs to happen, Dean needs another smack upside the head for his attitude lately. I mean whatever happened to such things like "I dragged you out of hell I can put you back in" and "I did it, all of it, for you" speeches? Granted Cas is dealing with a lot in Heaven but it would be nice for something other than just a sarcastic remark in hopes that Dean would get it.

But at least the show is acknowledging this. So hopefully there will be something like that in the near future episodes? *crosses fingers*
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexylove_jackianto on November 11th, 2010 03:26 pm (UTC)
'But at least the show is acknowledging this. So hopefully there will be something like that in the near future episodes? *crosses fingers*'
*crosses fingers too* If it were me, I'd have a Trickster episode where Dean gets turned into Cas so he can see what Cas' life is like. I know I tune in just to see Dean/Jensen in the trench coat and Cas/Misha is Dean's clothes.
Renée: Dean/Castiel. You and I.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 04:14 pm (UTC)
Dude, I can totally get behind this idea. *nods* If anything I think it would be hilarious fun and awesome to see them switching lives and see how the other deals for a change. I mean I can see Castiel understanding on a certain level (and it would be funny to see him trying to "get" humanity), but Dean would have to understand Castiel.

Oh, in a perfect world this would ever happen. *sighs*
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexylove_jackianto on November 11th, 2010 04:34 pm (UTC)
'I mean I can see Castiel understanding on a certain level (and it would be funny to see him trying to "get" humanity), but Dean would have to understand Castiel.'
So very true. At this point I think Dean would need a Chrysler building sided clue-by-four to understand that Cas has his own life and he can't just wait around and than drop everything whenever Dean decides to call him; it's like the mirror version Dean/Lisa.
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on November 10th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
The Castiel gifs are awesome! Castiel makes everything so much better.

++ DEAN STOP BEING A DICK TO YOUR BOYFRIEND CASTIEL. Seriously. This needs to stop. Castiel has issues too, you know, not everything revolves around your needs.

++ Hearing Castiel's sad sarcasm was heartbreaking, because it was sarcasm and it was meant to be a jab at Dean's selfishness in that moment and having zero regard for Castiel and his stuff. When I was watching the episode with my sister she thought what Cas said was sweet, however I later corrected her in saying that it was a sarcastic remark that had a sadness to it. It was saying that oh of course his needs are first and be damned anything else that is happening, which is a common recurrence with these boys it seems. -___- I hope this is somewhat significant and doesn't cause a huge rift down the line.....


Pretty much Word for all this! Bobby said it and now so has Castiel. Dean needs to think about others' needs before he starts demanding help from them. He's not the only one with problems.

Still, Castiel did come to his aid when asked so that is good. Dean just needs to return the favor more.

His expression there? Is scary. Soulless as he may be, this entire expression is ominous and asking that question really doesn't reassure me of anything right now. I don't know if it's just me, but this isn't gonna end well. *nervous*

Dean would be a fool to completely trust his brother now because without his soul, he's like a remorseless killer. He's going through the motions but without a moral compass, they are just that. Motions that mean nothing.

Also, I can't help but feel that this is so IC for Sam. It's just like him to hide something like this from Dean only to reveal it when forced. It's kind of hypercritical of him especially considering how he always wants Dean to open up to him.
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on November 10th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
PS. Girl, you MUST read this fic! All I will say is this: Holy Fucking Chrysler Building!

Trust me!
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on November 11th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Dominance.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 02:53 pm (UTC)
Just read that and HAWT DAYUM! O___O
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 07:33 am (UTC)
Castiel really does make anything 10x better. Always. ;)

I do like that the show has acknowledged Dean having self-absorbed problems and other characters are calling out on it. Let's just hope that Dean finally wises up and takes responsibility for this. I love Dean I do, but he can be a real asshole sometimes, and even with the situations they're in he needs to take time to really look around him. Isn't this supposed to be about maturing and owning up? I thought we were passed them thinking only about themselves?

I would really love Dean to lend Castiel a helping hand, even offer it randomly when he sees him again. That would be a lovely thing. Plus, a hug for goodness sakes. Did you see Castiel's expression there? Poor angel needs a hug badly. ;__;

And ITA about this being IC for Sam. In fact Sam has been losing his moral compass more and more each season, his heart might have been in the right place but his sense of direction of morality was shattered. And now without his soul? How can you trust someone who is without their soul, especially when they try to justify the terrible actions they've committed? It is hypocritical, and honestly Dean shouldn't trust Sam because of all the shit that's happened before, this will lead to nowhere good.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on November 10th, 2010 10:40 pm (UTC)
I am also wondering about Crowley's powers. I will be disappointed if he has the power to open Lucifer's cage OR get a soul from Heaven on his own. (And didn't Azazel say to Sam in the S2 finale that demons can't just bring back people because they want to ("red tape"), but only if someone wishes for it (like Dean did for Sam)?) I'm not even sure about the leverage angle. How has having Sam's soul helped Crowley so far? Samuel didn't know Sam was soulless. Sam didn't know Sam was soulless. What if Sam hadn't been hunting? Would Crowley have then shown up and said do this for me and I'll give you that? Basically, Crowley's leverage is working for him NOW, but it did nothing for him for a year. I suppose Samuel looked up Sam and got him hunting with them? IDK. It just seems like the more answers we get, the more convinced I am that a year time jump wasn't necessary. There's nothing that's been done in a year that a few months wouldn't have accomplished. And making it a year just raises more questions of how long things have actually been in chaos on the other side. Everything seems to be coming to a head for no particular reason, NOT because things needed time to build over that year. Time jump: I will always hate it. Also, yes, we've never heard of the King of Hell before. I think Crowley just wanted a shiny title. :)

I do wonder if Mary is in Purgatory. AND GABRIEL Though of course my perfect Gabriel situation is for him to have been alive all this time somehow. God, Kali, trick, take your pick. :)

I'm guessing Misha isn't going to be in the next episode, but I'd like to know that the boys have told him about Crowley. Because that's big picture sort of stuff that Dean should pass on to his boyfriend. But really, that could be HELPING Castiel. You know, Dean just telling him that Crowley wants Purgatory, WITHOUT demanding that Cas come help them with something else.

Castiel it totally and completely invading Dean's space while they talk about Sam's soul. See, I didn't see the OTPness last week, but I'm totally seeing it all over this clip. It's the little stuff like this that kills me. When they're talking about something else entirely, yet keep invading each other's space and having eyesex.

sarcasm and it was meant to be a jab at Dean's selfishness in that moment and having zero regard for Castiel and his stuff

Hopefully, since Cas has said this, and Show has acknowledged it, maybe we'll see Dean helping Cas somehow now? Or being more friendly and less demanding?

Though thankfully he was revealed to be a demon the entire time so, huzzah.

How did Cas not realize he was a demon?! I don't buy the fanwank that Cas just wasn't paying attention or was tuned into Heaven. I think seeing demons is something that an angel shouldn't have to "look" for, but should be an automatic radar thing. I could buy him not realizing the demons in the other room, but Christian walked right in! It would have ruined the surprise, but that scene should have ended with Cas saying, "I must go. That man is possessed, by the way." *vanishes* Really, they just shouldn't have had Christian walk in at all.

Furthermore, aside from hearing Misha Collins' voiceover before the episode began

My station screwed that up, and played it AFTER the episode, LOL. There was no voiceover after Smallville, LOL.

I just hope that if Gabriel comes back, Richard takes a cue from Mark and removes his name from the credits so we're SURPRISED!
kaiyotekaiyote on November 10th, 2010 11:28 pm (UTC)
How did Cas not realize he was a demon?!

Yeah, that part definitely didn't make sense to me. I mean, even a fallen Anna was able to tell someone was possessed. Either Cas did know and just didn't say anything, or the writers dropped the ball on that one. Who knows. ...I personally think it's the latter, though.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on November 11th, 2010 12:12 am (UTC)
I can't believe that Cas would know and not mention it. I can see him saying it as he leaves and leaving it for Dean to take care of, but not to say anything seems needlessly OOC. I also think the writers dropped the ball.
kaiyotekaiyote on November 11th, 2010 12:30 am (UTC)
The only other explanation I can think of (besides the writers just dropping the ball) is that he knew, but assumed everyone else knew as well. 'cause, well... they have worked with demons before. :|

But yeah. My money's on the writers just dropping the ball. Or Crowley was COMPLETELY lying about Christian having been possessed for awhile. ...but I think the whole Christian-was-possessed-the-entire-time thing actually makes sense. so. eh.
Renée: Castiel. Searching for answers.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 02:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I honestly hope there's an explanation for all of this and whether Crowley is bluffing or had some help or what, because you can't just dismiss it like Crowley now has all the power and can do whatever he wants. As much as I love Crowley, that is simply too easy and too much retconning of an already established rule set in this universe about demons and the limitations they have. I mean think about it, if he did do all of that why is he using all these people as pawns to get alphas and get information about purgatory? There's something else at work here, something underneath the surface of what he's saying.

I'm positive that they do tell Castiel (and Bobby, respectively) everything they've found out because how can they not?

Hopefully, since Cas has said this, and Show has acknowledged it, maybe we'll see Dean helping Cas somehow now? Or being more friendly and less demanding?

God I hope so. I mean, it seems rather significant that we would have two characters already kind of tell Dean, more or less, that he's being selfish with his demands and less about being concerned about others around them. I think it will definitely come up again since they did mention it, and I want Dean to seriously apologize for being a dickwad. Love him, but dammit Dean, not everything is always about you or your brother. Also be nice to your angel who saved your ass countless times and rebelled and continues to come for you despite not getting anything in return because he loves you.

How did Cas not realize he was a demon?!

That's the very question I'm asking, and really I've got nothing. I know it would have ruined the surprise at the end, but if they didn't want that to happen they should have used another characters to barge in on them and not Christian. Or have Castiel give Christian a dirty look, or something. But I chop that up as being sloppy on the Show's part.

Dude, I will be so overjoyed if Richard does the same thing. It will make me very, very happy. :)
kaiyotekaiyote on November 10th, 2010 11:22 pm (UTC)
re: Crowley

I really, really do not understand how he'd be able to swing pulling anyone or thing out of the cage. I mean... whatever mojo was used to create the cage is powerful enough that even Lucifer can't escape. Add to the fact that Michael is in there as well and the combined power of them still isn't enough to break out of the damn thing?

Yeah. I call bullshit on that.

There is NO way Crowley is that powerful.

I think he's either completely lying about pulling Sam out or the writers just went "Whatever!". And honestly? I have no idea which answer it is.

Demons lie and everything, but I also really don't trust the show at all in terms of keeping their own... myth-arc facts straight, especially with the retconning that goes on. (Although I do have to say their retconning is executed better and more acceptable than some shows. coughHEROEScough.)

re: Purgatory

Like John and Mary Winchester for example
This actually has me thinking about something... I wonder if they're (along with other ghosts who don't go with a reaper [who eventually get taken care of by hunters or something]) actually in purgatory.

Because wouldn't that... kind of make sense?

If you choose to stay (Mary) or were in one place before you were... judged properly (like John in Hell, he escaped before he was turned into a demon and didn't have a body to go back to like Dean did), I wonder if that's where you end up? Like after you spirit is dealt with in some way? 'Cause there's no reaper to take you anywhere anymore...

other things

re: Dean/Cas personal space issues
I'm not sure when this moment takes place exactly, but someone on tumblr mentioned how when Cas needs to stay something (that he could easily say away from Dean) he just walks like ALL across the room to say it a foot away from him, basically. :P

I sort of liked the Campbells more in this ep. Or. Well. Gwen, really. Especially since she seemed completely out of sorts at the end of the ep and didn't know what was going on. (I'm still waiting for another scene with her to see if I actually like her, though.) And Samuel is. eh. I don't really dislike him that much or like him that much, but at least he's less shady now... or well, we KNOW why he's shady now.

UGH AND CAS REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE HE HAS TEARS IN HIS EYES WHEN YOU BLOW UP THE SHOT. OR LOOK AT HD SCREENCAPS OF IT. UGH MY HEART.

She's probably gonna wind up dead anyhow though so, meh.
lol, this tho. :/ It kind of sucks that this is true for ALL the characters though. 'cause on the one hand I am all "YAY I LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER!" but on the other you just KNOW they're gonna die. It's like. WHAT'S THE POINT THEN. ...sob. COME BACK, GABRIEL.

As for the alpha!Vamp? "Ouch. Stop. That hurts." Y SO AWESOME THO?

I don't trust Sam either and I really don't get how people can. I mean, he's admitted to the fact that he can't care and his moral compass is nil. DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A PERSON YOU SHOULD TRUST?

omg, this comment feels really long.
Renée: SPN. Castiel.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 05:22 am (UTC)
lol, don't worry babe I love long comments. ;)

Demons lie and everything, but I also really don't trust the show at all in terms of keeping their own... myth-arc facts straight, especially with the retconning that goes on.

I agree with this, and especially with this season you never know what bullshit Sera Gamble wants to pull from her own ass to create something of her own while having zero acknowledgment of the mythology of the show itself. -__- It pisses me off, but it makes me still be optimistic that something will be explained. Even though I am pleasantly surprised by the development of Crowley's involvement this season I want there to be something that makes sense in the grand scheme of things without totally ignoring the mytharc, you know?

(I do agree that Show is better retconning than Heroes, which that show often contradicted itself more times than I can count.)

I honestly do think something else is at play here, because some things were revealed yes but obviously not everything, and obviously not everything in its entire truthiness. Seven episodes in, at least this is a starting point. But there's more pieces to the puzzle.

Re: purgatory, that's something I've been pondering about since it was mentioned. I didn't think the show would go that far into having purgatory being featured, but now that it is it seems to make perfect sense. People have often wondered what happened to Mary's spirit after the events of "Home" of season one, and what you mentioned about John's soul, it just seems right to head into that direction. I hope something comes out from it.....

I think I liked the general concept of the Campbells, but it's how the show is handling them is what I'm not liking. Perhaps that's the intent, getting us to question until there's more answers? I don't know. Gwen seems alright, but I'm still eh with everyone involved.

UGH AND CAS REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE HE HAS TEARS IN HIS EYES WHEN YOU BLOW UP THE SHOT. OR LOOK AT HD SCREENCAPS OF IT. UGH MY HEART.

OMG I KNOW! THE MORE I REWATCH IT / SEE GIFS OF / HD SCREENCAPS I JUST, OH CAS. He seriously needs a goddamn hug, dammit. :(

I loved alpha!Vamp. He needs to make another appearance in the future, y/y?

I don't trust Sam either and I really don't get how people can. I mean, he's admitted to the fact that he can't care and his moral compass is nil. DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A PERSON YOU SHOULD TRUST?

BUT DON'T YOU SEE? HE ADMITTED TO EVERYTHING, THE BROTHERS ARE BACK WORKING TOGETHER, IT'S ALL GOOD NOW!!!1111

...Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why people are giving into the notion. Granted I would be able to buy his act had there been at least something to say that he didn't know what he was doing, however it's clear that Sam had obligations to his motives of everything he's been doing since day one. How can you really trust someone with no moral compass, who continues to do reckless things and even has formed plans on doing those reckless things time and time again? Just because he's Sam (yet not Sam) and that he's with Dean again doesn't excuse anything. Plus that entire thing with him going "are you with me Dean?" makes me think he has something else underneath his sleeve, and that's just giving off a bad vibe. :/
just a small town girl: [supernatural] pensivecarameltrap on November 11th, 2010 02:34 am (UTC)
Crowley either really has that much power to be able to pull Sam from Lucifer's really tightly sealed cage or it's due to the work of someone with a much higher pay grade than him. I like that he's a shady but savvy business-minded demon. He's the shady corporate figure in the supernatural world.

Normal people can stand across from each other in a room to talk but not Dean and Castiel. They have to be extremely close enough to kiss just to talk.

I thought what Castiel said was the truth. Dean really needs to step back and evaluate how he treats Bobby or Castiel and that the world doesn't revolve around him most of the time. A little appreciation to the angel wouldn't hurt, too.
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Bittersweet.rogueslayer452 on November 11th, 2010 04:45 am (UTC)
Crowley either really has that much power to be able to pull Sam from Lucifer's really tightly sealed cage or it's due to the work of someone with a much higher pay grade than him.

I'm gonna go with the latter, but the former would be nice too if there's a full explanation on how that can be. Since I can see both possibilities working in this scenario but there needs to be more concrete evidence supporting either one or the other. This show doesn't have any problems retconning these issues to make it seem simpler to whatever they want to do with it, so I'm hoping this makes somewhat sense in the long run.

I love Crowley for those exact reasons. <3

Normal people can stand across from each other in a room to talk but not Dean and Castiel. They have to be extremely close enough to kiss just to talk.

lol, this is so true. I love that despite what Dean said last season they seem to be invading each other's spaces more often now than ever before, which is how they should be anyway. Personal space, what is that? ;p

I thought what Castiel said was the truth. Dean really needs to step back and evaluate how he treats Bobby or Castiel and that the world doesn't revolve around him most of the time. A little appreciation to the angel wouldn't hurt, too.

Exactly. At least there's acknowledgment on the show from both Bobby and Castiel, now all we need is Dean to take the hint and put it into action instead of just going about his time. I know that with the Winchesters old habits die hard, but dammit Dean, take a little consideration for what your angel is going through, yeah? Just because it doesn't concern you doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned at all, okay? Appreciation as well as taking the time to help Cas out would be lovely. -__- I do think that there's a point to this, since it's been featured more than once about Dean's attitude and characters reactions to it, so I hope there's significance to that.