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22 November 2010 @ 02:26 pm
Joss is Boss, so GTFO.  
Unfortuately, it looks like the Buffy reboot movie will be happening after all, much to everyone's dismay.

This has been rumored for a while, however to have confirmation that it'll actually be happening is rather distressing, because there simply cannot be Buffy without Joss Whedon involved. I'm sorry, but it's true. While sometimes certain reboots can be good and take on an entirely different entity of their own, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a cult classic and shouldn't be touched no matter what. Besides, the entire fanbase is gonna rip this to shreds, which is why I'm laughing and scoffing at the "active fan base waiting for Buffy to return to the big screen" quote because we do, just WITH JOSS WHEDON ATTACHED TO THE PROJECT. IT'S JOSS OR NOTHING BITCHES, GET IT RIGHT! Seriously, I want to know where this "active fan base" resides and how they interpret that into new movie that deals with nothing we want to see.

I predict this to flop and fail harder than anything, because it is just utter blasphemy. Also considering the entire description of what they want to do with it, I'm fearing they'll do what Joss desperately tried to avoid in creating Buffy Summers as a character. :/

This will not end well, at all.
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Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2010 11:43 pm (UTC)
Seriously. I mean, I knew there had been rumors circulating for a while now, and quite frankly I thought it wouldn't go through with it, but it seems like they are. And them suggesting that fans are excited for this project is insulting. No, we wanted the original cast with Joss Motherfucking Whedon to be part of a possible future BTVS movie (whether telemovie or otherwise), not some lame-ass reboot that has absolutely nothing to do with the characters that we grew up with and loved for seven freaking seasons.

And without Joss, it just won't be good. Sorry, but that's the truth.

There is only one Buffy Summers, and this is she:

Edited at 2010-11-22 11:43 pm (UTC)
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on November 22nd, 2010 10:52 pm (UTC)
Ugh! They are seriously going through with this after all? Good luck! They are gonna need it.
Renée: Kahlan. Con Dar.rogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2010 11:38 pm (UTC)
It's just utter blasphemy, I tell you. It's an insult. Besides, it's too freaking early for any consideration of a reboot, like that would ever go well regardless. This is without Joss Whedon, without him being part of the production, and without the mythology, without the original characters or actors. Without everything that made Buffy...Buffy.

No. Just, no.

kaiyote: TSWIFT ▪ unamusedkaiyote on November 22nd, 2010 10:54 pm (UTC)
Do they honestly think the fans are gonna be happy about this? Really? Really? REALLY?

They are so dumb. They are really dumb. For real.
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2010 11:33 pm (UTC)
Judging from what the article is saying, they think fans are gonna be "excited" for Buffy to be on the big screen. They obviously don't know the Whedonverse very well, otherwise they would be backing away slowly from the rapid fans who are foaming at the mouth in anger at this news.....
Wolfling: ripperglarewolfling on November 22nd, 2010 11:17 pm (UTC)
*shakes head* Dear Hollywood, it doesn't hurt to actually go and write new stories instead of massacring rebooting past hits.

This is going to tank so hard, I can't even imagine.
Renée: BSG. Natalie is not pleased.rogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2010 11:29 pm (UTC)
I know right? That's the biggest flaw in Hollywood these days, they hardly go for original ideas, instead they remake/reboot movies (classic movies, might I add, particularly recreating foreign films for Americans who are too lazy to read subtitles and complex storylines, but that's something else entirely....) when there shouldn't be a need to anyway. LEAVE THE CLASSICS ALONE, GODDAMMIT.

And this, without Joss Whedon? I cannot even imagine. It's his story, he created the character in the first place, and I cannot foresee this succeeding or getting praise at all.
Aelora: Glee - Blaine eyerollaelora on November 22nd, 2010 11:25 pm (UTC)
Renée: Kahlan. BAMC.rogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2010 11:44 pm (UTC)
the infraggable crunkblualbino on November 22nd, 2010 11:57 pm (UTC)
WTF is with this ridiculous reboot obsession, Hollywood. They're never good, like, at all. ://////
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 12:12 am (UTC)
For real now. Why not do something original? There's no need for rebooting something that has been, and always will be, a cult classic and will be timeless forever by itself. No need to reboot something that's already flawless in perfection as it is.

DNW this at all. :/
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexy: Misc: Twilight/AT&Tlove_jackianto on November 23rd, 2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
'For real now. Why not do something original?'
My guess, it's all about the money. Hollywood seems to think that if they re-boot something at least the fanbase will pay money to see it. I can't help but feel they're also trying to cash in on the vampire craze.

Edited at 2010-11-23 03:31 pm (UTC)
Renée: Misha. Are you fucking serious?rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 04:05 pm (UTC)
Their thought-process must be "hey, this was successful, why not reboot it and make even more money no matter how ridiculously unnecessary it may be!" Because that's all they ever think about is money, not quality or how respectful they should be to the story.

That's the unfortunate price for being in the business.
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexylove_jackianto on November 23rd, 2010 04:33 pm (UTC)
'Their thought-process must be "hey, this was successful, why not reboot it and make even more money no matter how ridiculously unnecessary it may be!'
Sadly that sounds about right.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on November 23rd, 2010 01:22 am (UTC)
"There is an active fan base eagerly awaiting this character's return to the big screen."

NO, THERE'S NOT. Geez. WHAT IS WITH ALL THE REMAKES? Remakes of old shows, old movies, old ideas. And there's a difference between a show still having a fanbase and wanting to see a DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE CHARACTER OTHER THAN THE ONE WE FELL IN LOVE WITH.
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 01:41 am (UTC)
Apparently Joss doesn't agree with this decision either, and thank goodness for that. The fact that you've got the original creator of Buffy mortified and saddened by the idea of a reboot should say something. I'm not entirely sure how the whole "rights" to a creators ideas works in the business, but it must be really insulting to see Hollywood take something you created and muck it up into their own "newer and fresher, non-high school possible Twilight'd" version of such an iconic character. It must be like watching his script/character getting misinterpreted from the first original movie all over again. :(

HOLLYWOOD GET YOUR OWN IDEAS AND STOP REBOOTING/REMAKING/RECREATING THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE MESSED WITH. There are times when certain remakes can be good, but this is a recipe for unpleasantness and tons of people are gonna be beyond pissed off at this entire idea.
Tori Sakanaepicycles on November 23rd, 2010 01:32 am (UTC)
WUT. How did I not hear about this wtfery?

I think they need a lesson in how fans work. I don't think I have ever in my life encountered a fanbase that was actually enthusiastic to see an onscreen version of their fandom with different actors, a different creator, and a "tone and style that are relevant to today."

Buffy - all the things that made us like Buffy = this movie will probably not do well.
Renée: Caprica. Zoe Graystone.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 01:46 am (UTC)
Even Joss Whedon doesn't agree with this move, and honestly when the original creator is displeased with the idea you KNOW shit is all fucked up. :/

The article says that it's gonna be just like the Buffy we once knew, but that's just false advisement for something they know they are just gonna mess up the character. And since Joss isn't part of the project at all (not like he would ever want to be anyway) there's no guaranteeing anything that whatever they choose for Buffy to be, would be Buffy that we've come to know and love since the beginning. I'm sorry, but there is only ONE Buffy Anne Summers and she's not going to be replaced by some basic wannabe, no matter who they choose Buffy will always remain SMG for me and everyone else.
she who hangs out in libraries: buffy//willow/giles//protector of thevelvet_midnight on November 23rd, 2010 01:55 am (UTC)

Renée: Castiel. Whumped :(rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 03:05 am (UTC)
ashley: dw ☆ lost in a sea of memorykitsu84 on November 23rd, 2010 03:25 am (UTC)
Renée: BSG. Natalie is not pleased.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)

nesdy on November 23rd, 2010 05:21 am (UTC)
Oh, look! Hollywood screws up and takes fans for idiots one more time :D
Renée: Kahlan. HBIC.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 05:49 pm (UTC)
HOLLYWOOD FUCKUPS TAKE #2934729374924349003450

Nobody messes with Buffy and gets away with it, especially when involving the Joss Whedon part of fandom. Shit will definitely hit the fan and it will not be pretty.
bold_seer: spn: castiel (rebel angel)bold_seer on November 23rd, 2010 06:03 am (UTC)
Never did watch Buffy, but I just don't understand why they have to do a new version - even if it's a film - of something that last aired less than ten years ago. (Yes, this translates to stay the frak away from Alias, people!)
Renée: Misha. Are you fucking serious?rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 05:56 pm (UTC)
Not only that, but the fact that they're forgetting that Joss Whedon created the character in the first place since he wrote the script for the original movie, which was always ruined by Hollywood, and that prompted him to take control over his own creation by creating the television series. And this seems to be misusing his creation all over again due to this reboot. It must be a slap in the face and punch in the gut for him to see Hollywood just take his character and mold it to their liking.

There are certain things you just CANNOT TOUCH no matter what, and doing this without his consent? I just, I can't.

bold_seer: film: robin hood (väs)bold_seer on November 23rd, 2010 05:58 pm (UTC)
Joss Whedon created the character in the first place since he wrote the script for the original movie

I didn't even know that! *headdesk*
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, which makes this news even more infuriating to hear about. :/ At least Joss gave his own words and thoughts on this travesty in his usual kind of manner, bitterness disguised in mild hilarity and much audibly sighing.
Tinka: Faithgwaevalarin on November 23rd, 2010 08:08 am (UTC)
Have they still learned nothing? You do not mess with fandom. Fail, Warner, major fail!

Joss' reaction, on the other hand, is made of utter and complete win.
Renée: Echo. I can take care of myself.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)
Especially the Whedon fandom. We're incredibly dedicated and faithful to everything Joss Whedon and the Buffyverse, so this news is definitely gonna cause a massacre of sorts and I wanna see this fail and flop harder than anything.

I loved Joss's reaction, bittersweet as it is. Along with some of the original cast who are also displeased and unimpressed by it. It makes me feel a little better knowing that nobody is happy with this news. Makes it more probably that it will definitely crash and burn before it even is created. Let us hope!
Tinka: Faithgwaevalarin on November 24th, 2010 07:14 am (UTC)
With fandom, Joss and the original cast pulling together I'm convinced we can make this fail hard. Warner is going to learn their lesson, the sooner the better for them.
Tangles: Oh Dearentangled_now on November 23rd, 2010 08:16 am (UTC)
I'm fairly sure it isn't going to end well too. Because, completely apart from the fact that Buffy is Buffy and no one else, yes, there are a lot of things Buffy definitely wasn't and I'm afraid they're the sort of things which end up included by rote now. The possibilities of 'getting it wrong' are endless.
Renée: Misha. O_Orogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I would never trust Buffy in the hands of anyone other than Joss Whedon. He created her, and without his input or consulting him on anything would be adding more worries and fears to the "getting it wrong" territory. :/ Even though everyone knows that this will bomb significantly, it still feels me with dread that there was even contemplation of rebooting Buffy without involving Joss.
meandering: Buffyeffervescent on November 23rd, 2010 08:25 am (UTC)
I could see - you know, fifteen, twenty years for a reboot.

But seven?

This = laziness and a desire to capitalise on the current vampire craze. That's all.
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 04:29 pm (UTC)
Pretty much.

It's like they're entire mindset is about how popular or successful something had been and rebooting it into their own version would get them the same kind of attention plus more money, which that's what all this is about aside from going into the vampire craze lately. Money money money. No respect for the original creation, or the story, all these promises that it'll be the "same character" that Buffy had always been. No. That's all lies and they know it.

And yes, it's wayyyy too early anyway for even a thought of a reboot of any kind. :/ STOP THE REBOOTS ALREADY! IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS NEVER SUCCESSFUL!
Court: D WTF - by liz_guerinwordsleadmeon on November 23rd, 2010 08:47 am (UTC)
You know, when even every Whedonverse actor that I follow on Twitter has said something in the vain of "there is no Buffy without Joss" and everyone I've talked to about this reboot has well, COMPLETELY FLIPPED THEIR SHIT, this active fan base the article talks about is obviously a myth. None of the real fans want anything to do with this at all.

Joss's reaction both makes me laugh and hurt for him all at once. Seems like it was not his idea to cut him off from the project. If it was a scheduling issue wouldn't we all have rather the reboot wait?

You're right, this will not end well. Serenity worked, yes, but Serenity is a completely different animal in that it had every single original core cast member AND Joss.

Edited to fix typos born out of frustration and tiredness, sorry!

Edited at 2010-11-23 08:52 am (UTC)
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 04:23 pm (UTC)
Exactly. It's just a ruse to get people to think that there's a vague interest in this new project, however that shit ain't gonna fly because we Whedon fans are hugely dedicated and there's no fucking way in hell that we would allow BTVS be rebooted into something without Joss Whedon's consent, or approval for his baby to be messed with in any way, shape or form. That's the main reason why he created the series in the first place because the original film didn't do it right how he envisioned it, since he wrote the script and created the character in the first place. So, you know.

Reading Joss's response made me happy he disapproved of this news, and it also stung because it shows, once again, that Hollywood doesn't give a shit about respecting creators and their works. Once again, TPTB takes over, pissing on the little people. :(

It's sad and infuriating, but at the same time I'm glad that there's massive negative response from almost everyone, from fans and original cast members and Joss himself, hell even people who aren't fans of the show, are dismissing this disgusting news. You just don't mess with the Whedon side of fandom, you will get ripped apart, and I think with enough support behind Joss himself we can probably make sure this new movie deal bombs and never succeeds. *nods*
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexylove_jackianto on November 23rd, 2010 03:27 pm (UTC)
I'm with you. First TPTB screwed up his original Buffy movie (I think he said he made the tv show to show people what the movie was SUPPOSED to be) and now they're going to completely screw up the reboot, no wonder Joss doesn't sound happy.
Renée: Echo. I can take care of myself.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 04:12 pm (UTC)
That's exactly what I thought of too. Joss created Buffy and write the script for the original film, but Hollywood took advantage of his creative mind and screwed it up and he was unhappy about that and that's what prompted him to create his own television series. He wanted to handle his creation the way it should have been.

Now this? It's like a slap in the face for him. I'm glad Joss responded in his usual Joss-manner, but it's sad at the same time. But seeing as how the majority of fans, and even the original cast, are displeased with this news I'm sure it's setting up for this new film's impending doom. Obviously. You can't take Joss Whedon's baby and mess around with it without there being severe backlash.
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexy: Misc- Commentslove_jackianto on November 23rd, 2010 05:16 pm (UTC)
'Now this? It's like a slap in the face for him.'
It is. The fact that he said, 'And there is no legal grounds for doing anything other than sighing audibly.' really told me all I needed to know.

That was one comment on that article that was just itching to reply to:

'Do we NOT remember that the series was spawned from the ORIGINAL movie? So * with ALL due respect to Joss and the series (which I'm a HUGE fan of, as well as Angel), his comment "This is a sad, sad reflection on our times, when people must feed off the carcasses of beloved stories from their youths..." If this is his perception, than the series that, arguably, made him "famous" was also "fed" from a prior project. Hey pot.... this is kettle.'

Talk about not getting it.
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that person who left that comment obviously isn't a huge fan as they're claiming they are otherwise they would have known that Joss did write the script for the original movie. So their argument is irrelevant and invalid.

Totally missing the point and getting their facts wrong at the same time. Congrats, they fail.
I need more fandoms like CKR needs more sexylove_jackianto on November 23rd, 2010 05:29 pm (UTC)
'Totally missing the point and getting their facts wrong at the same time. Congrats, they fail.'
Yep. Like I said I really wanted to reply, but if the internet has taught me one thing, it's that replying to people who just don't get it usually ends in head desking.
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Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2010 07:51 pm (UTC)
Wow, really? That's so weird, considering that everyone I've come across, even non-fans of the show, are peeved by this news and thinks it's uncool and unnecessary. Hell, the majority of the people over on ONTD are angry about it, so why should others be ranting about us being upset? It's been at least seven years since the show ended, which is way to early to even consider doing a reboot of anything Buffy-related, especially without consulting with Joss himself for consent or having his approval of this being made.

This is like doing a Harry Potter reboot in the next six years or so, without J.K. Rowling.

Exactly. Even with the movies, JK Rowling had been part of the decision-making with them had has a strict policy of being with the involvement of anything officially created of her books. I feel like Joss should have those same rights to the character he created, the one that started this legacy, and there's absolutely no way that any kind of remade version can ever live up to the potential and the groundbreaking character that Joss Whedon had written from the start. Hell, with the the 1992 movie with Kristy Swanson, that was his script and Hollywood didn't treat it as he wanted it to be treated.

There are strong reactions to this, and people need to understand that this is a.) unfair to Joss because this was his creation, and with them handling it without notifying him or consulting him about it is just wrong, b.) that the majority of us grew up with Buffy and the need for a reboot is still rather unnecessary (twenty years or so down the line maybe, but this? too freaking soon) and c.) it's a stupid idea in the first place.

I'm sorry people are bitching, but we have the right to bitch and complain.

If it makes you feel even more better, not only did Joss write out his feelings but some of the original cast has commented negatively about it as well. Nobody wants this to happen it seems. So take some confidence that this will definitely tank no matter what happens. *hugs*
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Renée: Pretty Little Liars. Hanna.rogueslayer452 on November 24th, 2010 04:56 am (UTC)
They are an unfortunate few on your list, but trust me nobody is thrilled with this news because it feels too soon. I've seen arguments comparing it to the many reboots of iconic characters like, say, Superman or Wonder Woman or whatever, but this is simply not the same thing. Buffy has always been at the hands of Joss Whedon, and without him it would be like...that's not Buffy. That's some impostor pretending to be our fabulous Slayer. I betcha anything if this gonna be as horrendously bad as Halle Berry's Catwoman. Why do that to Buffy's good name? I just, I can't. *shudders*

There really is no creativity anymore, that is correct. There are so many reboots and remakes these days that it feels like there's no originality anymore. Just plain copying or remaking anything just for the big bucks. It's insulting to the creative minds like Joss Whedon who try their darndest to get their original creations out there and it gets stomped on because nobody understands it (ex. Firefly).

JUST SAY NO TO BUFFY REBOOTS. WHEDON FANS MUST STICK TOGETHER. And I don't care if I sound like a dedicated Whedon fan, I am and I'm loyal to keeping Buffy's name in a good light rather than let something completely bastardize it.

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Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 24th, 2010 04:43 am (UTC)
The fact that they feel there needs to be a reboot in the first place is rather insulting on a personal level, as though people can't enjoy Buffy for what it had been for seven seasons. It's upsetting and disheartening just hearing this news. I wouldn't mind a possibility for another Buffy project in the near future, like ten or twenty years from now, but only seven/eight years after the series ended? That's just ridiculously unnecessary, and mostly for the money of stealing from other people's original concepts and passing it off as their own and claiming that it's "serving the fans" when really, NONE OF THE FANS WANT THIS AT ALL. It's all false saying that there's an active fanbase wanting a movie.

Newsflash: We do, just with Joss Whedon attached. Without Joss, there is no way.

(just listened the the OMWF soundtrack, now I have the need for a BTVS marathon of some sort, nostalgia of the one and only Buffy, kthx)