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06 October 2014 @ 08:36 pm
October Question Meme: Day Six  
Asked by philstar22:

What sorts of fandoms/characters do you wish existed or wish there were more of and why?

This should be a given, but I wish there was more diversity, especially in fantasy and science fiction. It's disappointing knowing that there's all this imagination in creating a made-up world, only to be so restrictive in representation. Like, I love you Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, but it isn't beyond plausibility to have Asian hobbits or more women warriors. This also implies to other genres, too. The fact that there's this fear of having proper representation of women, of minorities, of presenting sexuality that isn't in some perfect little label box or ignored, is astounding to me. I mean we're slowly getting there bit by bit and the small victories we get should be celebrated, but we should already be there by now.
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Profiterole_profiterole_ on October 7th, 2014 10:04 am (UTC)
This!

I'm so, so happy about HTGAWM. We also need that with SF/F, especially SF/F movies. The Mortal Instruments is still the only SF/F movie I've seen with queer characters, including a queer POC.
Renéerogueslayer452 on October 9th, 2014 07:35 am (UTC)
I'm loving How To Get Away With Murder! Aside from how well structured it is, they're basically doing it right so far with the representation, and I'm hoping they keep it up. :3 I wish more shows would follow suit so this shouldn't really be "pushing the envelope" re: diversity in the cast ensemble and having queer characters.

Films, unfortunately, aren't that bold as television seems to be, and I'm not entirely sure why.
Profiterole: Kuroko no Basuke - Kagami and Kuroko_profiterole_ on October 9th, 2014 10:14 am (UTC)
I suppose it's a budget issue. I read an article a few months ago about how there are almost no more medium-budget movies. You have either small-budget movies (stuff about RL) or big-budget movies (action & SF/F). I'm pretty sure The Mortal Instruments didn't have a huge Marvel-style budget, all the actors are famous from TV, not from other movies, so it's entirely possible to do something like that, and yet I think it didn't do well enough for a sequel (last I heard about it, they were still undecided, and it was a while ago, so that's not a good sign).
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on October 7th, 2014 11:48 am (UTC)
I recommend Tamora Pierce's Circle of Magic and Tortall series, as well as Ursula K. Le Guins' Earthsea and Hainish books. And the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games, for that matter.
Renéerogueslayer452 on October 9th, 2014 07:37 am (UTC)
Nice recommendations. I heard a lot about Earthsea after the controversy from the miniseries that basically whitewashed the characters.
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on October 9th, 2014 12:39 pm (UTC)
I especially'd recommend Circle of Magic and Tortall if you like strong relationships between characters, as well as aware discussion of social issues.

Edited at 2014-10-09 12:40 pm (UTC)
verdande_miverdande_mi on October 7th, 2014 06:25 pm (UTC)
We should already be there indeed, especially with sci-fi. I don't understand why people find writing about people outside the white male box difficult. All the rest of us are not that much different! And we do very much exist.
Renée: House Martell.rogueslayer452 on October 10th, 2014 11:47 pm (UTC)
I feel like there are so many great opportunities to go above and beyond, you know? And yet everyone just goes to the same-old thing (and worse, going with the generalized stereotypes) that we're all so tired of seeing. It's ridiculous. :/
philstar22philstar22 on October 7th, 2014 06:35 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything you said here. I'd love more diversity, particularly in scifi and fantasy which is mostly very white, straight male focused.
Renéerogueslayer452 on October 11th, 2014 12:07 am (UTC)
To quote Jane Espenson, "And if we can't write diversity into sci-fi, then what's the point? You don't create new worlds to give them all the same limits of the old ones."
potentiality_26potentiality_26 on October 7th, 2014 08:04 pm (UTC)
Truer words were never spoken, and yes I think this problem is most ridiculous when it comes to fantasy and SF. I mean, the fact that there are more characters who are part of groups that aren't real (vampires, immortal people, elves, etc) in the media today than so many groups that are(bisexuals, asexuals, etc) is mind-blowingly ridiculous.

Really tired of seeing nothing but straight white dudes when I turn on my TV.
Renée: Nikita. BAMF.rogueslayer452 on October 10th, 2014 11:56 pm (UTC)
Even with some things that are inclusive sort of fail on certain representation too, which while I know not everything is going to be perfect it's just sad when things, like bisexuality for example, is hardly ever recognized or treated like a joke (e.g. purposefully choosing to not have Constantine be bisexual even though they could have done so, for example, and claiming that it wasn't important part of his character or whatever). We should really be above this by now, and yet it's always like when we take one step forward, we then take three steps backwards.

I understand the the business itself is rather harsh and unrelenting, I have heard plenty of stories about creators fighting and fighting for certain things only to be shot down time and time again. But I figure, the more we fight this archaic system the more we might try to change the way things operate, you know?
potentiality_26potentiality_26 on October 11th, 2014 01:45 am (UTC)
You're right about the business being difficult, and I blame the people in the big chairs more than individual creators, because so much of the entertainment industry seems to just be stagnating. If you look at the comparatively big risks Netflix is taking with shows like Orange is the New Black, you'd think that network TV could take a much smaller risk and- say- vaguely allude to Constantine having a male ex or something.

I think the main reason I get frustrated is that I'll watch shows from the sixties and seventies and see that they tried so hard to push the envelope. Were they sometimes incidentally racist and sexist? Sure, but they were also actively trying to be inclusive. Sometimes I think that the media today has lost a lot of that, because they sort of decided "we're good now" when we really aren't yet.
dhampyresadhampyresa on October 7th, 2014 09:56 pm (UTC)
Pretty much. I will never understand people who think dragons are more believable than female knights, because yanno, at least Joan of Arc actually existed. /absolutely did not have this cinversation recently
Renée: Kahlan. BAMC.rogueslayer452 on October 9th, 2014 06:10 pm (UTC)
For real, though. The whole "believability" approach is just a series of excuses to explain away why they're not doing something, or even why something was included into a story when it shouldn't have been. It's annoying, and it gets old fast.
chiara: text: thisstellicidio on October 8th, 2014 08:07 pm (UTC)
I completely agree!
an idea is bulletproof: BtVS - miles to goelizalavelle on October 10th, 2014 06:46 pm (UTC)
Agreed!

As a white person I'm tentative about writing other races but I also kick myself and remember that people are just people. My NaNo book's main character is white but she's going to have friend from other races because it's entirely unrealistic to write someone who is in NYC who only knows white people. I'm the same with sexuality, I don't see why every character must be presumed straight. That doesn't represent any society unless you're writing about one where people are very repressed.