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19 November 2016 @ 06:46 pm
Film Review: Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them  

Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, J.K. Rowling's screenplay debut, tells the story of Newt Scamander, a British wizard magizoologist traveling around the world with a suitcase filled with magical creatures. In the first movie of the five-part franchise, Newt arrives in New York City in 1926 for a simple errand, only to find that things become more complicated when some of his creatures accidentally get loose around the city. Meanwhile, as those shenanigans are happening, there is something darker happening around New York, one that threatens to expose wizard kind to No-Majes and what could possibly be connected to the Grindelwald attacks happening in Europe.

I'll be honest, when this movie was first announced I was initially indifferent towards it since I don't necessarily care about Newt, but when the details were coming out on what it would entail, plot-wise, I was intrigued. I'm much more interested in the political aspect with the magical versus non-magical worlds, the conflicts within both communities and how it affects everything and everyone. While we do get some of those conflicts featured in the film, it wasn't as much as I had anticipated. I mean, it was balancing out the wacky shenanigans with recapturing Newt's escaped magical creatures and everything else happened in the background, and the movie did take place over the course of just two days, so anything that I was hoping was to shine more light on was limited in that way. The published screenplay of the film might give more insight, but only slightly. I guess I just wanted more scenes and moments with MACUSA dealing with The Second Salemers and investigating the strange occurrences and keeping everything maintained.

Speaking of which, I'm really impressed with what they did with Ezra Miller's character, Credence Barebone. They really kept the tight-lid on his involvement with the overall plot, and everything that unraveled from that was intriguing. Credence is someone who has magic but, because of his abusive upbringing, he repressed his powers in absolute fear of being found out, but this unfortunately creates the magic to manifest itself in another way, called an Obscurus, a dangerously powerful and disruptive entity. Only children develop this and they don't live longer than the age of ten because the Obscurus pretty much kills them. The movie tries to make it seem like it is Credence's younger sister, Modesty, is this child, but it is actually him who suffers the most abuse from his adoptive mother (and leader of the Second Salemers). By all accounts he shouldn't be alive, but somehow he is. Sadly, this means the Obscurus grew stronger and more uncontrollable and when someone like him who is continually used, abused, ridiculed and manipulated, it's no wonder that he just snaps. He deserved better.

(Which really makes you think what would have happened if Harry himself had gone through something this since he, too, was in an abusive household and told that magic didn't exist and was treated in such a horrible way if he tried anything "unnatural".)

But the main reason why I became significantly interested in seeing this film was because of Colin Farrell who portrayed Percival Graves, the Director of Magical Security at MACUSA.

Now, the reveal in the end that it was actually Grindelwald disguised as Percival the entire time was something I had to really digest afterwards because I had already fallen in love with Percival way before seeing the movie, hell I was already creating headcanons for him just based off of what I knew at the time from interviews and the like. What's interesting though is that, due to some of the promotional material that had come out weeks before the movie premiere, people were already speculating and theorizing that this reveal would be the case. Either he was Grindelwald or a sympathizer to the cause. I know that it was partially my own fault for getting emotionally attached to a character so quickly with having so little information aside from the basic description, but I had wished and hoped that none of that was true. So after seeing the movie, the reveal was not only predictable but also not entirely subtle at all, at least in terms of the scenes with Percival visiting Credence in the shadows and their interactions, which was borderline creepy, and of course with the Deathly Hallows pendant which was a huge giveaway. I was hoping that it would be a red-herring, a mislead, something that wouldn't be what I had feared, and was disappointed by the predictability of the end result.

However, having had time to mull things over after two viewings of the movie already, I have come to a certain resolve.

I firmly believe that Grindelwald pulled a Barty Crouch Jr., impersonating a real person in order to infiltrate MACUSA for his own purpose for however long he was there, which couldn't have been for very long since I don't think he would have the time or the patience with everything else happening. The beginning of the film opens with wizarding newspapers questioning the whereabouts of Grindelwald, wherein Aurors went to apprehend him but he escaped. Considering that the surname Graves is mentioned with the original Aurors when MACUSA was first created, and the position that Percival Graves has as the Director of Magical Security, such a position isn't something that is instantaneously accepted; it takes training and heading up the ranks over years. So, with that in mind, it would be plausible that Grindelwald would want to impersonate someone with such a high ranking and respect so nobody would suspect or question him.

Therefore, there is a real Percival Graves that exists. Whether he was kidnapped, locked up, or killed when confronting Grindelwald is still a huge question left up in the air. Personally, I really hope he is still alive and he makes an appearance somewhere in the rest of the movies, because there is so much potential with his character and I want to know about him, the real him.

That is my belief, and I'm sticking with it. Mostly because I've already been creating headcanons of his character and regardless he'll always be alive in my heart. ♥


Other things I loved about the movie:

++ The magical creatures were rather interesting. I really liked Niffler, because he was adorable little shit who liked to cause trouble all because of shiny things. There were some that I recognized from the books and the Fantastic Beasts booklet, but otherwise it was interesting seeing the rest of the creatures featured. The Thunderbird was absolutely majestic.

++ Queenie was adorable, and I really liked the setup of Queenie/Jacob. It was said it was love at first sight, and you can immediately tell. Their chemistry were instantaneous, and their dynamic was just darling, especially since he didn't mind that she could read his mind. Of course the only obstacle they have is that there cannot be any relations between anyone magical and No-Majes, as it is forbidden due to security risk. The ending was bittersweet because Jacob had to be Obliviated to prevent such a risk, thus him forgetting everything he had gone through with Newt, Tina and Queenie, all of that magical adventure. But the ending also had a hopeful note that Jacob retained at least some residual memory since his inspirations for his baked goods are of the magical creatures. Plus, when Queenie appeared, it was like their first meeting all over again, leading to some hope with them in the future.

++ MACUSA is such a better name than the Ministry of Magic. It's also much prettier. I kinda wished we had seen more of the place, like the different offices, I also wished we had gotten a better look into Percival's office. We only had a brief look and it was from an awkward angle.

++ I'm getting used to saying No-Maj now than before.

++ A special appreciative thanks to the costume designer, Colleen Atwood, who not only created the very memorable and fabulous outfit that Colin wears as Percival Graves, but also managed to make the American wizarding community much more modern-looking than their British counterparts. I mean, it could just be because it's the 1920s and that was the fashion of the time, but I much prefer what they wore here than in the HP films. I mean, the Aurors are wearing trenchcoats instead of wizarding robes. I approve.

++ The overall 1920s aesthetic, from the sets and details of the clothing to the music, it was all fabulous and wonderful.

++ COLIN FARRELL WAS FINE AS FUCK, LIKE GODDAMN. BLESS THIS CASTING. PLEASE HAVE HIM BE IN MORE AS PERCIVAL AGAIN BECAUSE YESSS. (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧


Some things that I didn't really like / wished had been done better:

-- As mentioned, there were some things that were predictable and did disappoint me. While I enjoyed the movie, it felt a bit rushed with so much information about what was happening, and yet not enough was shown that I thought was going to be fully explored. Again, the entirety of the film took place over two days so covering everything would've been an overload, but at the same time I felt like the film could've been edited just a bit better than it was to make events flow more fluidly? I don't know. I just think that there was a lot of missing information that could have made situations make more sense. I just feel like we didn't get enough with the American wizarding community, especially with MACUSA, and certainly not enough with President Picquery.

-- Sadly, the film does suffer from lack of racial diversity. True, there are POC featured but they're mostly in the background or only featured briefly. I only hope that the rest of the films have more representation, but if not then that's NAGL.

-- Interestingly, some of the footage shown in the trailers weren't shown in the film. I mean, it's not uncommon for different shots and angles to be used or for scenes to be missing because that's how film editing works, but there were just a handful of scenes that were seen in the trailers that just weren't there in the final product. It makes me hope they're at least in the deleted scenes.

-- Johnny Depp being cast Grindelwald. Fuck no, such a miscast. Nearly ruined the experience for me, tbqh, especially with the whole reveal. Get him out.


Overall: I really enjoyed the movie. As someone who went in with little to no expectations aside from my emotional attachment to a particular character, it was pretty good. Was it perfect? No. Was it entertaining, fun, and a great way to escape the real world for a little while? Absolutely. And that is exactly what I needed right now, and I'm so happy that I did.
 
 
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asher63: Koreasher63 on November 20th, 2016 03:30 am (UTC)
Thanks for this! Now I'm curious about the film.
Denorios: HP lockhart giggledenorios on November 20th, 2016 02:34 pm (UTC)
The Johnny Depp reveal was such a moodkiller at the end of the movie. I'd been bouncing along enjoying it all quite merrily, LOVING Colin Farrell (please say we'll get more of him somehow) and then...Johnny Depp? I was utterly unspoiled for that, and I nearly snorted my Pepsi all over myself and the woman in front of me laughing. Colin Farrell brought magnetism and charisma and presence, you could see why he might have fanatical followers, but Johnny Depp just looked and acted farcical. Problem with Johnny Depp these days is that he seems to have descended into caricature, all his characters seem variations on the same 'kooky, weird, slightly stoned' theme, and it's boring and embarrassing to watch.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 20th, 2016 10:21 pm (UTC)
Problem with Johnny Depp these days is that he seems to have descended into caricature, all his characters seem variations on the same 'kooky, weird, slightly stoned' theme, and it's boring and embarrassing to watch.

Exactly. I mean, he's basically been phoning in his performances for a long time now, almost every single role he's been in for several years has been the exact same character type. When the reveal happened in the end of the movie, not only did it put a damper the entire moment, but just seeing him attempt to be Grindelwald seemed so completely off in comparison to what Colin brought. It looked like he was trying too hard to be menacing, like attempting to be a ~darker, edgier Jack Sparrow~ or something. Everything about him looks and feels so out of place, it's utterly ridiculous. He's just so wrong for the part, wrong to be cast in this world.

I really hope they bring Colin Farrell back somehow as the real Percival Graves. He was absolutely brilliant with what he did in this film, and I'm fascinated with the process of portraying a character who was masquerading as another character, and the things he had to keep secret during promotion, which I have to admit was well done. I've seen the film twice now and there were these little nuances, his facial expressions, the subtle way he would say things, which are all incredibly clever and he managed to do all of that beautifully, I was in awe with how he approached those moments. But I really am curious about the real Percival Graves, since we did see glimpses of his personality back at MACUSA (in comparison to how he was with Credence and then later in the film when everything was spiraling out of control), and I just really want to see him back as that character in some way or another. He was fantastic in that role and I want to know more about him, see him in action. That is the only way I'll be seeing the rest of these movies, tbqh.
Denorios: HP snapedenorios on November 21st, 2016 09:02 am (UTC)
Apart from the fact that he's a wife-beater, he used to be such a good actor! I mean, I can think of so many roles where he's been amazing - but now it's all just the same - Willy Wonka, Jack Sparrow, Mad Hatter - it's all the same role. And yeah, you can fob that off with the whole 'wanting to make movies his kids can watch' but it is totally lazy acting choices. He doesn't bring gravitas and depth to a role anymore, and when you're revealing your Big Bad that's what you need in order to bring the menace - not camp and daft.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 21st, 2016 09:36 pm (UTC)
He doesn't bring gravitas and depth to a role anymore, and when you're revealing your Big Bad that's what you need in order to bring the menace - not camp and daft.

Yep, exactly.

In fact, I kinda wished they didn't reveal Grindelwald in this movie. I feel like it should've been gradual, like slowly revealing the true menace behind everything that is happening. And if there was to be a reveal, it could've been a loyal follower of his trying to spread influence. I didn't want another wizard versus dark wizard conflict so soon, I wanted more of a magical versus non-magical, which we saw briefly in this film but not what I had expected based off of the earlier interviews.
Profiterole_profiterole_ on November 20th, 2016 02:39 pm (UTC)
They really kept the tight-lid on his involvement with the overall plot, and everything that unraveled from that was intriguing.
This! His story is so interesting. I can't wait to see more about him, because that little bit of black smoke was totally him escaping the MACUSA.

I don't think he would have the time or the patience with everything else happening
I've come to the same conclusion.

I only hope that the rest of the films have more representation
Leta Lestrange, maybe? They've talked enough about her that she's got to be in the sequel.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 20th, 2016 09:37 pm (UTC)
Leta Lestrange, maybe? They've talked enough about her that she's got to be in the sequel.

I'm hoping so. I'm intrigued with the friendship she and Newt have with each other, and the kind of relationship they have now, if anything at all. Considering she is a Lestrange, a name we know quite well, I'm interested in her role in the future movies. I'm happy that they cast Zoe Kravitz for the role.
Captain Enkenkanowen on November 20th, 2016 03:29 pm (UTC)
I've been actively seeking spoilers for the Johnny Depp reveal as I need to know how much he is in the movie. If I end up seeing it, I really want to brace myself for his presence (and then not watch any of the subsequent movies, because 2min vs main antagonist ugh)

PS: choice music.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 20th, 2016 09:32 pm (UTC)
He only appears very briefly in the end (like very briefly when the reveal happens), but honestly it still took me completely out of the moment and the film because, really? Him? Ugh. I feel like there are so many better actors much more suited for Grindelwald.

Edited at 2016-11-20 09:34 pm (UTC)
Captain Enkenkanowen on November 20th, 2016 10:14 pm (UTC)
yeah everything else aside, he is a poor choice. But I simply can't support anything he's in based on him being an abuser
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 20th, 2016 10:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've never been much of a Depp fan, particularly since he's been phoning in his performances for a long time now and has basically been typecast in every role he's been in lately so it's always been like a "whatever" with him in anything, but honestly everything surrounding the domestic abuse from earlier this year really makes me nope out of everything he has done or continues to do.
rhoda_rantsrhoda_rants on November 21st, 2016 05:08 am (UTC)
Not looking at most of the review here bc Spoilers, but I do have something to ask re: Johnny Depp and the fact that he's playing Grindelwald for some reason: Why didn't they just get Jamie Campbell Bower back? He was playing him in the flashbacks in the existing movies. He's still the right age. Unless I'm misunderstanding the way the timeframe shakes out.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 21st, 2016 08:02 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing they needed someone who was a bit older since I'm assuming that Grindelwald is older, at least that's what I'm gathering from the timeline. I don't know. Either way, I feel like there are much better actors to choose from to play such a role. I would have definitely preferred Jamie Campbell to return for the role, for continuity purposes, or just anyone else for that matter.
verdande_mi: pic#122309054verdande_mi on November 21st, 2016 05:51 pm (UTC)
Interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing :)

I really loved Queenie, and her realtionship with Jacob was so sweet.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 21st, 2016 09:30 pm (UTC)
:)

Queenie was just a darling, and I'm really fascinated with her Legilimen ability, the fact she can read people is so intriguing, and it just happens so naturally that she cannot control it at times. I read an interview with the actress talking about it and it's such an interesting concept to play with in regards to who Queenie is.
Kiki May: If the apocalypse comes beep mekikimay on November 21st, 2016 11:48 pm (UTC)
Completely agree on the Johnny Depp issue and you already know it.

I didn't care for the Beasts, tbh? I was bored by the endless chase, except for the Niffler bit, when he tries to be smooth in that jewellery store. Legit laughed.

++ A special appreciative thanks to the costume designer, Colleen Atwood, who not only created the very memorable and fabulous outfit that Colin wears as Percival Graves, but also managed to make the American wizarding community much more modern-looking than their British counterparts. I mean, it could just be because it's the 1920s and that was the fashion of the time, but I much prefer what they wore here than in the HP films. I mean, the Aurors are wearing trenchcoats instead of wizarding robes. I approve.


YEEEESS! The fashion choices were so ON POINT. I loved everything Porpentina wore and that blue robe Queenie wore, gimme gimme! Colin Farrell was DAPPER AS FUCK OMG HE LOOKED AMAZING! And he rocked that strange haircut! (I don't really like short hair + undercuts, but he looked very nice with it)

Renéerogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2016 02:14 am (UTC)
Niffler being an adorable little shit was the best thing. I love that little troublemaker. But otherwise, it did feel like two different movies at times; part of it was a whimsical adventure recapturing beasts, while the other was a darker plot.

My favorite part of Colin's look, aside from the fabulous suit ensemble of course which he rocked so beautifully, was the gray undercut. I don't know why, but it just does it for me. He looks so attractive like that, it's not even funny. ♥
noybusiness: DW R/D friendlynoybusiness on November 22nd, 2016 12:34 am (UTC)
This interview says Grindelwald used Polyjuice Potion (which, as we know, requires keeping the source alive for a long-term impersonation), but also says they have no plans to bring Graves back in the second film: http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/fantastic-beasts-david-heyman-reveals-graves-and-colin-farrells-futures-in-series-105821/
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 22nd, 2016 12:40 am (UTC)
Well, considering that the second film is taking place in Paris, I wouldn't expect to see him that soon if they were to be focusing on something else. But I'm hoping that, since this franchise has been extended, they might want to reconsider bringing him back for the other movies, if nothing more than to give Percival back his dignity after what Grindelwald did to him. And on a shallow note, I really, really want Colin to return because he was so fabulous and I want to see the real Percival Graves.
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 26th, 2016 11:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting the link. I've litterally just come out of the cinema with a shattered fangirl heart and the fact that it's semi-official that there was an actual Graves makes me feel a bit better. It's not just my crazy fangirl headcanon then. ;)
noybusiness: never seen an elephant flynoybusiness on November 26th, 2016 11:50 pm (UTC)
There would have to be, since Graves is an old family in wizarding America.
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 27th, 2016 12:31 am (UTC)
I didn’t know that. I’ve hardly read any of the Pottermore stuff as I have stuck to the HP books for the most part. I’ve also avoided spoilers for the movie like the plague. ;)
noybusiness: never seen an elephant flynoybusiness on November 27th, 2016 01:00 am (UTC)
You should check out the Pottermore stuff about MACUSA and Ilvermorny, it's quite an interesting read.
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 27th, 2016 01:19 am (UTC)
Since the movie didn't go into too much detail about the wizzarding world in America I will have to do that, because I really want to know more!
noybusiness: Platypusnoybusiness on November 27th, 2016 03:05 am (UTC)
I definitely feel I got more out of the movie having read it.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 26th, 2016 11:51 pm (UTC)
MTE, I was so relieved when reading that, as well. I mean, not that it would've stopped me from still having my own headcanons regardless, but this confirmation put me more at ease. :)
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 27th, 2016 12:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. I'm good at ignoring canon for the sake of my headcanon, but it always feels better if those two things are one and the same. In this case, it was really important to me, because everything else would have meant that since I like Graves I like Grindelwald and that thought doesn't sit right with me. Liking the amazing wizard Grindelwald impersonates is much better. ;)
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 27th, 2016 10:17 pm (UTC)
Agreed, with everything you've written. It's nice to have that coincide with our own headcanons, which have been running rampant in my brain since after seeing the movie. Mostly as a form of therapy, of course, but also because I really am in deep with this character and have this particular perception of who he is in my mind. I just love him so much. ♥
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 29th, 2016 12:14 am (UTC)
Agreed. We really are in the same boat with this. *lol*
Revyallodole on November 23rd, 2016 08:38 am (UTC)
Honestly, I liked this film fine enough but I won't be seeing the others. Mainly because I am 100000% over Johnny Depp. :/ Colin Farrell makes a better villain anyway: Graves was intriguing as hell!

I went to see this on a whim so I barely even knew who was in it: Ezra Miller was a nice surprise. I loved him in We Need To Talk About Kevin & Wallflower and he was the highlight of the movie for me. Poor bby.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 23rd, 2016 05:56 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty much the same. Unless they bring Colin back somehow as the real Percival Graves in the future films (since he was the only reason I went to see this one in the first place, and he was so damn good with his performance so I don't regret it one bit), I most likely won't be seeing the rest of this franchise.

But yeah, the announcement of Depp as Grindelwald really dampened any potential interest I would've had for the rest of the films. :/

I had been following the news about the film for months prior to seeing it so I knew about Ezra Miller, but they kept everything surrounding his character a huge secret, which was a smart move because everything about Credence was heartbreaking but also the reveal about what was happening with him was interesting. I had predicted that he would've been a secret wizard, but not to that extent with the Obscurus. It was a pleasant surprise with the final confrontation. I really liked what Ezra and Colin brought to their respective roles, it was captivating with them together on the screen.
author_by_night: cool_largeauthor_by_night on November 25th, 2016 10:35 pm (UTC)


(Which really makes you think what would have happened if Harry himself had gone through something this since he, too, was in an abusive household and told that magic didn't exist and was treated in such a horrible way if he tried anything "unnatural".)


You know, and I forgot to mention this in the review I just posted, if you think about it... it might have already happened. Harry does break a snake out of the zoo (which could've been lethal) and temporarily explodes Aunt Marge in the third book (imagine if she were a more sympathetic character, like Molly Weasley - suddenly the scenario is very different). I'd always assumed it was just Harry not being able to control his powers, but maybe that was Obscura, and the MoM just didn't name it exactly (as it seems to be a bit of a tabbo topic). Although you'd think that Umbridge would've used that in OoTP when Harry faces the Wizengamot... so maybe not? In any case, you're right. :/

I knew the Graves twist probably threw you off! It threw me a little too, just because our discussions had given me the same pre-film interpretation.



I firmly believe that Grindelwald pulled a Barty Crouch Jr., impersonating a real person in order to infiltrate MACUSA for his own purpose for however long he was there, which couldn't have been for very long since I don't think he would have the time or the patience with everything else happening. The beginning of the film opens with wizarding newspapers questioning the whereabouts of Grindelwald, wherein Aurors went to apprehend him but he escaped. Considering that the surname Graves is mentioned with the original Aurors when MACUSA was first created, and the position that Percival Graves has as the Director of Magical Security, such a position isn't something that is instantaneously accepted; it takes training and heading up the ranks over years. So, with that in mind, it would be plausible that Grindelwald would want to impersonate someone with such a high ranking and respect so nobody would suspect or question him.


I thought the same thing; so we might see more of the real Graves, the way the real Moody became a character.


-- As mentioned, there were some things that were predictable and did disappoint me. While I enjoyed the movie, it felt a bit rushed with so much information about what was happening, and yet not enough was shown that I thought was going to be fully explored. Again, the entirety of the film took place over two days so covering everything would've been an overload, but at the same time I felt like the film could've been edited just a bit better than it was to make events flow more fluidly


I completely agree with this. I also hadn't realized it was the first part of a FIVE part series - I thought it was just three? In any case, I felt that this movie was more of a setup than a proper movie, similar to how I felt about the sixth book, actually. I like HBP now that I've read DH and can connect the dots, and hope I can do that with this.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 26th, 2016 06:12 am (UTC)
I'd always assumed it was just Harry not being able to control his powers, but maybe that was Obscura

The more I think about it though, the less I think that would be likely, at least in his case. Based on what we know, Obscurials tend to suppress their powers out of fear, directing them inward which is how it manifests into something much darker and uncontrollable that destroys them from the inside out. While Harry lived in an abusive home, he wasn't fearful of being found out like Credence had been, never mind that there were other things factoring into it (his connection with Voldemort, for example). But it does bring to question the "what ifs", comparing and contrasting both Harry and Credence's situations.

I think there is something worth exploring about the way certain traumatic experiences can affect a young witch or wizard's magic and how they deal with it. From what happened to Ariana Dumbledore and in this film to Credence Barebone, it does make you wonder about the protection of these poor young souls, if there is anything at all to help them after the fact.

I knew the Graves twist probably threw you off! It threw me a little too, just because our discussions had given me the same pre-film interpretation.

Yeah, I kinda knew I shouldn't have gotten so emotionally attached to a character I only knew vague information about, but I just couldn't help myself. I fell in love instantly because of what was told to us through interviews and the like months prior. At least it was revealed in a recent interview that Grindelwald did, in fact, use Polyjuice Potion to impersonate the real Graves, and we all know that to pull that off convincingly you have to maintain that person's personality so nobody suspects a thing is amiss. Therefore some aspects of the real Percival Graves is there, so we have that to cling to, at least.

(And also why I'm creating a shitload of headcanons.)

I thought the same thing; so we might see more of the real Graves, the way the real Moody became a character.

I'm clinging to this hope, as well. Because honestly, aside from the small glimpses with Grindelwald's impersonation while infiltrating MACUSA, we never really got a chance to meet the real Percival Graves. I don't want his character to have been a mere plot device, that would be stupid and thoughtless on JKR's part. He was a real character, someone who was a person and an important figure among MACUSA. I want to know what happened to him, I want to know if he's okay. I want to know more about his relationships with his fellow co-workers, especially with President Picquery and Tina, the latter more so because it seemed like he was not just her former boss but also a mentor of sorts, if we're to assume the way he was with her in the beginning of the film. It would be incredibly wasteful to introduce such a character, to say he existed, only to not follow through with the aftermath. Percival deserves to gain his dignity back from having his identity stolen.

I just have a lot of feelings about him, okay? Furthermore, I just want Colin Farrell to return because he was absolutely magnificent in this film and I just want to see more of what he can do with this character.

I also hadn't realized it was the first part of a FIVE part series - I thought it was just three?

For a long while it was planned for it to be a trilogy, it was only a few months ago when JKR announced that they've extended it to five films.
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 27th, 2016 12:18 am (UTC)
I was very tempted to read your review when you first posted it, but I resisted until now that I have finally seen the movie. I literally have just come out of the cinema and need to vent. I knew it was a stupid idea to get attached to a character I knew nothing about! But what can I say? I couldn’t help it and it’s all Colin Farrell’s fault!

Anyway, since I tried very hard to avoid spoilers I had not heard any rumours about Graves potentially BEING Grindelwald. Granted, I had seen his poster and the Deathly Hallows symbol and had assumed that he might be in league with Grindelwald, but for him to actually BE Grindelwald took me by surprise and quite frankly broke my little fangirl heart! I could have dealed with him being an evil wizard, even if that meant that he was working with/for Grindelwald, but I could not deal with him being Grindelwald (which would have meant that I like Grindelwald which... hell no!). So basically, the last 10-15 minutes ruined the whole movie for me. A bit dramatic, I know, but that’s me. *lol*

Anyway, I had already decided on my way home that it can’t have been the real Graves and that there must in fact have been a real Graves, because as you pointed out in your review, it takes time to get into the position that Graves is in at MACUSA. Thankfully, the interview that noybusiness kindly posted the link to in her comment seems to confirm that. This makes me feel a bit better about the end of the movie. After all, it’s at least semi-official and not just in my head. ;)

I'm much more interested in the political aspect with the magical versus non-magical worlds, the conflicts within both communities and how it affects everything and everyone. While we do get some of those conflicts featured in the film, it wasn't as much as I had anticipated.
I couldn’t agree more. What made me a fan of Harry Potter was the world that JKR had created. The actual story was nice enough, but for me it was all about the worldbuilding. That’s why I was always a bigger fan of the books than of the movies. So when Fantastic Beasts was announced, I was worried that the worldbuilding would not be as good as I would like it to be simply because options are limited in a 2 hour film. Be that as it may, I would have expected to see more of that conflict, because the trailers led me to believe that this storyline would play a much bigger role in the movie than it actually did. That was a bit disappointing and it also made me wish that JKR had actually written a novel about this rather than just the screen play. I want more than what’s in the movie!!!

Also, in another comment you wrote ”it seemed like [Graves]was not just [Tina’s] former boss but also a mentor of sorts, if we're to assume the way he was with her in the beginning of the film”.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who saw that. I had started to wonder if I simply wanted to ship Graves with someone so badly that I was grasping at straws.*lol* Anyway, I do think that besides the mentor angle, there is a bit of past Graves/Tina potential. Maybe one-sided on her part (her being in love with her mentor), maybe not (one-sided that is). I already have an idea for a drabble/short fic. :D

P.S.: Dear Santa, I’ve been extraordinarily nice this year. May I please have a Niffler for Christmas?
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 27th, 2016 07:37 am (UTC)
I knew it was a stupid idea to get attached to a character I knew nothing about! But what can I say? I couldn’t help it and it’s all Colin Farrell’s fault!

Right there with you, babe. I got myself in too deep too quickly, and even now it's still getting worse by the second. I don't regret it, but dammit I've gotten myself so emotionally attached to him that I'm just clinging onto any headcanon.

So basically, the last 10-15 minutes ruined the whole movie for me. A bit dramatic, I know, but that’s me. *lol*

I was kinda semi-spoiled before going to the advanced screening so I was preparing myself for that possibility going in (I kept my expectations low, all I wanted was to see his pretty face and no matter what I would still have my headcanons), but of course that ending didn't really sit right with me for a number of reasons. The main reason being that Depp is playing Grindelwald for the duration of the films, someone who I feel is ill-fitted for such a role. Like, when the reveal happened it felt like such a downgrade from what we were previously given for the majority of the time, and thankfully the majority of reactions I've seen (especially on places like Tumblr) all agree wholeheartedly that Colin Farrell was so much more charismatic and perfect for what he brought to his role in the film.

This makes me feel a bit better about the end of the movie. After all, it’s at least semi-official and not just in my head. ;)

Same. It makes me very, very relieved and happy to have at least that confirmation. Now I just want them to reconsider in bringing Colin back into the franchise so we can get to know the real Percival Graves. I just feel like it's such a waste of potential otherwise, y'know?

Be that as it may, I would have expected to see more of that conflict, because the trailers led me to believe that this storyline would play a much bigger role in the movie than it actually did.

Granted, I do think they kept most of the stuff involving Grindelwald, and especially everything surrounding Credence, a secret because that wasn't hinted at until we got closer to the premiere date. So that is somewhat understandable, and I have to admit the plot involving Credence was genuinely surprising. But yeah, honestly, I just really wanted something different for this franchise that wasn't just wizards versus dark wizards. We already had that from Harry Potter. I find the political conflicts of the magical and non-magical worlds far more interesting, personally speaking, and it's why I got further intrigued with this film months ago. So even if we did get some of that conflict, it's disappointing that we didn't get enough of it. But, as mentioned, we were only thrust in the middle of this and the movie took place over two days so we were kind of at the climax of whatever they were dealing with.

Which is why I agree that JKR really needs to write a novel surrounding this instead of publishing the screenplay. Hell, I think it would be more appropriate for her to write a prequel novel to FBAWTFT, something that details what was happening within MACUSA during the rising threat of the Second Salemers, before Tina got demoted, and where we get to see the real Percival Graves before Grindelwald came along. Not only would it give more backstory and context to everything that was going on before Newt arrived in New York, but it would provide us with just more information in general with how things operate within MACUSA and understanding the characters more.

I had started to wonder if I simply wanted to ship Graves with someone so badly that I was grasping at straws.*lol*

Well, I mostly ship him with me...but you know. ;p

But I'm just so curious about his relationship with Tina, and it makes me wonder if Percival felt horrible about her demotion. I know that it was Grindelwald that was impersonating him during this time, but there was a glimpse of the real Percival when it came to interacting with others who knew him, particularly those at MACUSA, to avoid suspicion, and him visiting Tina after her interruption at the investigative meeting meant that he was willing to hear her out, meaning there was definitely a fondness felt for her.
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 29th, 2016 08:53 am (UTC)
it's still getting worse by the second
Yeah, I have not been so obsessed with a character in a long, long time and I’m enjoying every second of it. :D

Like, when the reveal happened it felt like such a downgrade from what we were previously given for the majority of the time, and thankfully the majority of reactions I've seen (especially on places like Tumblr) all agree wholeheartedly that Colin Farrell was so much more charismatic and perfect for what he brought to his role in the film.
I absolutely agree. The way he portrayed Graves was perfect. He was so charismatic that even if he (original Graves that is) had turned out to be an evil wizard I would have still happily fangirled over him, because if that’s what the bad guys are like, I’ll happily join the dark side. To me that is one criterion for a really good villain. Though, I’d happily take good!Graves as well.
I just really hope that JKR and the producers do not ignore fandom’s reaction to Colin Farrell’s portrayal of Graves and bring him back eventually. Whatever happened to Graves while Grindelwald was impersonating him, he will need time to heal, so personally, I think it would be perfect if he would show up in the third movie again (seeing as they seem to have no plans for him to be in the second).

Hell, I think it would be more appropriate for her to write a prequel novel to FBAWTFT, something that details what was happening within MACUSA during the rising threat of the Second Salemers, before Tina got demoted, and where we get to see the real Percival Graves before Grindelwald came along.
You’re right, that would be great. To be honest, I think I would rather have that than a novelization of Fantastic Beasts. A prequel would at least give us the original Graves and maybe a bit Tina/Graves.

Well, I mostly ship him with me...but you know. ;p
Yeah, well, Graves/Me is also my main ship. *lol*But it never hurts to ship your favourite character with other canon characters and at the moment I’m taking any het pairing I can get if that means I get to read fanfic about Graves. ;)
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 29th, 2016 06:28 pm (UTC)
I just really hope that JKR and the producers do not ignore fandom’s reaction to Colin Farrell’s portrayal of Graves and bring him back eventually.

Same. I mean, they probably didn't have plans originally, but considering the positive reception most have been giving regarding Colin's performance and our main curiosity concerning the real Graves, I'm hoping they take that into account and reconsider in bringing him back. There's just so much potential there and it would be a waste to not explore it, especially considering this franchise has been expanded therefore room for bringing him back. As someone said on Tumblr, Colin deserves to be in more than one movie in this franchise. He was brilliant and we need more of him and more of this character.

I'm mostly been reading other people's headcanons (which either coincide with or gives me ideas for my own), and I'm loving the hurt/comfort of him post-Grindelwald. I love everything about him really, before and after everything, but I just love seeing the healing process of his character.

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icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 29th, 2016 09:06 pm (UTC)
There's just so much potential there and it would be a waste to not explore it, especially considering this franchise has been expanded therefore room for bringing him back.
Exactly! Also, fandom clearly wants him to return (not that TPTB always care what fandom wants, but one can hope).

I'm mostly been reading other people's headcanons (which either coincide with or gives me ideas for my own), and I'm loving the hurt/comfort of him post-Grindelwald.
Yeah, I’m pretty much doing the same. I’m a sucker for hurt/comfort and there’s obviously a lot of that waiting for Graves post movie. I’m currently toying with the idea of PTSD for Graves, which would probably fit considering what he must have gone through.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 30th, 2016 06:52 am (UTC)
Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that he would suffer a tremendous amount of PTSD, which will linger on for months if not years/the rest of his life. He would probably have a mixture of anger and guilt because he thinks he failed, failed his mission and his duty, and despite having been tortured and held in captivity he still feels personally responsible for everything that happened even though none of it was his fault. I think he would try to convince himself and others that he's fine, but inside he knows he's really not. I already have an entire storyline going on in my head that I've written out about all of that, as well, particularly with the healing process and him dealing with the aftermath of such a trauma.

(I just have a lot of feelings about Percival, and I'm just thankful that the fandom feels the same way, and I have someone like who shares the love for this character to talk with.)
icecream_junkieicecream_junkie on November 30th, 2016 10:52 am (UTC)
I absolutely agree with all of the above. I don’t see him as somebody who would admit that he’s not well either. He would face his demons on his own and pretend that everything is fine and shut down any attempts to make him admit that he is not ok. He would never admit to the guilt and shame he feels; not to mention the fear he can’t shake. It doesn’t matter that Grindelwald is one of the most powerful wizards ever and that only few people would stand a chance against him. In Graves’ opinion he should have been able to prevent Grindelwald from stealing his identity and he just can’t live with the fact that he failed.
maldreddamaldredda on December 1st, 2016 09:20 pm (UTC)
Are there any comms for the Queenie/Jacob ship? (:
Renéerogueslayer452 on December 1st, 2016 11:27 pm (UTC)
There's this one found on FanForum, and if you're on Tumblr you can probably find some people dedicated to shipping them. Otherwise, I don't think there are any fandom/ship-based communities on LJ anymore.