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10 September 2017 @ 08:06 pm
The Defenders  

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Having watched the entirety of The Defenders, I hadn't really talked that much about it since, well, there wasn't much to say about it honestly. It didn't necessarily blow me away, and it didn't really add much to anything that interested me aside from getting these characters together. Plus it focused too much on Danny Rand, who I don't really like or care for and found myself fast-forwarding through his scenes, same with most of the scenes with The Hand.

In truth, watching this made me yearn for more Jessica Jones. Just everything involving Jessica in The Defenders was so great and amazing, from her meeting and interacting with other characters, getting invested even when she tried to stay out of being a hero, her level of dry sarcasm and snark and her reactions to everything that was happening around her was much needed, and I didn't realize how much I missed until her very first scene. This was what I was looking forward to the most with The Defenders and it definitely didn't disappoint. I particularly really enjoyed the interaction she had with Matt, because I knew just based off of the trailer and promotional stuff that would be gold. Her mocking his Daredevil suit, being overall snarky towards him, and yet kind of developing a fondness at the same time, it was nicely done. I also really loved seeing Jessica and Luke reconnecting again as well, since the last time they were together things were a bit tense considering what they were going through, and them briefly reconciling and moving forward here makes me want more of them together in the future because I have missed them so much. These three in particular meeting and joining forces together, even if reluctantly at first, was what I was honestly loving and living for. They all have such amazing chemistry with each other, but I honestly wanted more of it. There just wasn't enough of them having bonding time, which given the time frame and everything that was going on is understandable, but to be honest I wanted there to be more moments with them kind of getting to know each other.

Because that's what I care about the most, the character moments. I didn't care about The Hand stuff. The characters, their personal and quiet moments and the connections they have with those in their lives and with each other, those are the things that I am drawn to the most. Those are the things that come first, the plot is secondary to me. So that's why I felt a bit disconnected with the first season because it spent so much time building up everything with The Hand only for it to not really matter in the end. It felt super rushed and things were wasted, like a lot was happening but in the end nothing really came from it. I don't know, I just personally found the season disjointed.

So, overall I would say that The Defenders was merely alright. It could have been better executed, perhaps a bit longer (ten episodes instead of eight), spent less time with The Hand and more time with our main characters and their bonding with each other and the supporting characters associated with them. I did appreciate the moments that we got though, I just wish there was more. Basically, I was only interested in watching this because it got some of these characters together, from the main to supporting, and that was it really. All I got after watching this was wanting for more Jessica Jones. And for Colleen Wing to replace Danny Rand as the fourth Defender, because her story is much more interesting and she fits right in. Also for Elektra to get her own series because she deserves better, dammit.


As a sidenote, it appears that Jessica Jones is the most popular among Netflix's Marvel lineup, which I am pleased with. But it baffles me that we're waiting so long until the next season. The series premiered in 2015, and we have to wait until 2018 before we even get a second season.
 
 
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Nina: <skins> waiting for better timeshoneymink on September 11th, 2017 03:52 am (UTC)
2018? Ach. I had hoped season 2 would still happen this year. Clearly, I should have read up on this better. Jessica Jones was the best thing about "The Defenders" to me – loved her dry delivery of lines ("Nice ears.") and that her friendship with Trish carried through.

That being said, I totally agree with your bottomline...
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 04:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, last I heard they were still filming S2. Or they might be finished by now? I don't know, but JJ is returning next year along with Luke Cage and Daredevil. Which is great and all, but I'm still pissed that we had to wait this long.

Jessica was definitely the best part, her snark and dry sarcasm is always appreciated and it just fit with what was happening here. She literally was speaking for the rest of the audience with her commentary. I also appreciated that they managed to keep her characterization too, with her friendship with Trish to seeing that she is still dealing with the aftermath of what happened with Kilgrave and such. It wasn't as heavily focused, since that'll be saved for the second season of her show, but it was still a continuity feature that I liked a lot.
Nina: <hex> good timeshoneymink on September 11th, 2017 04:37 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's a bit hard to take frankly... we had two seasons of "Daredevil" already and I don't know, it feels like forever since the first season of "Jessica Jones" aired. :( I had honestly hoped it would be at least by the end of this year. *sigh*

She literally was speaking for the rest of the audience with her commentary.

Exactly! Hands down, one of my favourite scenes – when Matt is taking that elaborate way up the stairs dodging several guards and Jessica is simply taking the lift.
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 05:28 am (UTC)
If only. :(

Hands down, one of my favourite scenes – when Matt is taking that elaborate way up the stairs dodging several guards and Jessica is simply taking the lift.

lol, I love that scene so much. Matt is so extra, and Jessica basically just took the elevator and they arrived on the floor at the same time and she delivered that excellent zinger the moment she exited the elevator and it's just so perfect. I also love the whole scarf aspect, he takes her scarf, she thinks it looks stupid. But once she sees him in his Daredevil suit she prefers him in the scarf. lol I just love their dynamic so much.
Nina: <derrière moi> bettyhoneymink on September 11th, 2017 05:48 am (UTC)
But once she sees him in his Daredevil suit she prefers him in the scarf. lol

Haha, yes. Second favourite scene, definitely. When she goes "Nice ears." and he replies with a touch of indignation and despair: "They are horns!" *snorts* Their interaction is priceless.

And by the way, I can only agree, I would much prefer for Colleen to be the forth Defender. Danny is a rather tedious character for the most part, even to centre jokes around.

Edited at 2017-09-11 05:49 am (UTC)
Renée: Agents of Shield. Skye.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 08:40 am (UTC)
They have such a good dynamic with each other. I don't want to wait until the next season of The Defenders before we see them again. So I hope that they reunite sometime between then, either on her show or his, because everything revolving around this blooming friendship is gold and just seeing them interacting like they did here is worth it. ;)

Danny is a rather tedious character for the most part, even to centre jokes around.

Yeah. Like, I enjoyed the burns the other characters made towards him, but as a whole Danny just doesn't really meld well in this universe. Casting issues aside, he was just annoyingly naive and boring as a character. However, I loved the scene when Luke knocked him down a peg by calling him out on his privilege. That was awesome, alongside them literally knocking him down during fights.

Colleen absolutely deserves the Defender title instead of him.
M: JJ - I can't risk youmfirefly10 on September 11th, 2017 06:57 am (UTC)
I'm with you on The Defenders. I was in it for the character interactions rather than the paper-thin plot and because of that, it was a bit of a let-down for me. Since there were only 8 episodes, there were so many character interactions we never even got to touch upon, particularly among the supporting characters. But I mean...Claire was the bridge character between all 4 shows and we don't get a single scene to tell/remind viewers of her connections to Matt and Jessica? Who thought that was a good idea? I expected so much more character interaction in this that I wound up being disappointed by it.


The wait for JJ season 2 is kind of ridiculous. I remember they originally claimed they only wanted to put out 2 seasons a year, but now we're supposedly getting The Punisher this year so it's like...so much for that rule. I guess they decided to do 3 a year instead, which is good news, but they should've chosen to release season 2 of JJ before season 1 of The Punisher.
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 08:26 am (UTC)
But I mean...Claire was the bridge character between all 4 shows and we don't get a single scene to tell/remind viewers of her connections to Matt and Jessica? Who thought that was a good idea?

Seriously, this bugged me a lot. Claire is the connecting factor of all these shows, she has interacted with all these characters and yet she barely had any scenes with most of them? Also, the fact that we did have a lot of these characters from these shows in the same room and yet there was nearly zero interaction with them? Like, when you have that opportunity, especially when the characters they're connected to are kind of running around as an unofficial team dealing with dangerous shenanigans together, you'd think there would at least be some communication and conversation. So yeah, it was disappointing.

I guess they decided to do 3 a year instead, which is good news, but they should've chosen to release season 2 of JJ before season 1 of The Punisher.

Yeah, it's a very weird setup they decided to have. I know that they just decided to start filming the second season, something I'm still rather confused by. I know there is a ~system of how they want to space out each series, but it seems rather ridiculous that they have Jessica Jones so separated from S1 to when S2 will be premiering. It's why seeing her in The Defenders was so amazing, because I've missed her so much.

It's like, it's already a strange feeling whenever a Netflix series premieres since we binge-watch them all at once so it feels longer to wait for the next season, but then here we have to wait even longer before JJ returns and that is just such nonsense, imho.
Ery-chan: pic#105558586erychan86 on September 11th, 2017 08:24 am (UTC)
I agree with you... Danny is such a "lame" character... has no dimension to me and that's boring...

I loved Jessica and I Loved Matt... I was very annoyed at Karen and Foggy for not being supportive of Matt and I am glad Trish got the chance to show Karen how to be a friend for someone who just wants to do good! I hope she learnt the lesson...

I don't like Luke Cage... the good thing is the actor is so good looking I can just stop listening to what he says and just stare... he's just the super good guy who is the perfect hero and blah blah blah... boring...

I have to say I had some problems with Elektra too... so yeah, the show was average... better that Iron Fist and I think it was the right length...

I can't wait for the new Jessica Jones and the new Daredevil :)
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 08:47 am (UTC)
I was very annoyed at Karen and Foggy for not being supportive of Matt

Foggy at least turned around and gave Matt his Daredevil suit in order to do what he needed to do, which was a nice gesture. But ITA about Karen. I don't think I've seen anyone who actually likes Karen, or the Karen/Matt situation. I like the actress just fine (I know and remember her from True Blood, she was fantastic in that) but her character is written very horribly.

Matt and Jessica was absolutely the best dynamic of the show. I liked how their bantering was done without any malicious intent but just two snarky and stubborn individuals, and I really liked how Matt came off very amused by Jessica. I really want to see more of their interactions and growing friendship in their respective shows and not wait until whenever the next Defenders season will be.
Avox in Arcadia: Karen & Foggyperpetual on September 11th, 2017 05:45 pm (UTC)
*raises hand* I love Karen. She's one of my favorite supporting characters in any of the shows. I was also willing to ship her with Matt, but the writers seem to be doing everything in their power to discourage that, so I moved on.
weaselettweaselett on September 11th, 2017 02:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think there's a huge amount of people who like Danny versus the others.

Defenders was a bit weird, it was half like they couldn't quite settle on how to bring them together, so went heavy with the hand and danny....and dropped the character focus that they've had in the single outings. (Sadly, the beginning seemed promising with the inclusion of the secondary characters, but then they just got lost...and they completely failed on Karen's character...and flattened Foggy a bit, ditto Trish)

I think because they all have different show runners, an different feels, the person who got defenders struggled to bring them together well enough - and failed to see that everyone wanted more Jessica & Matt interactions (we got lots of Luke and Danny instead, because they have the comic book connection sooooo that's what we're meant to want)

The timelines for the shows have always been a bit like that :/ - like we can only get one marvel netflix show a year, more or less....though at least 2018 isn't actually too far off now. (They haven't started filming daredevil s3 yet, or just have...I think that's meant to be 2019?)
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 09:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think there's a huge amount of people who like Danny versus the others.

It didn't help that Iron Fist was so badly received beforehand, which definitely influenced how people were to react to his appearance here. I was willing to at least see if he was tolerable with the rest of the group, but I just don't really like him as a character or as part of anything. Just give me more Colleen Wing and less of him please. Or just replace him with Colleen, that would be even better.

I think because they all have different show runners, an different feels, the person who got defenders struggled to bring them together well enough

This was evident a lot with the editing, especially the music choices during certain scenes. It was fine in the first episode, since it focused on them individually, but once getting together it was kind of a mess. Like rap music would randomly play when Luke appeared during a fight? Why? It would make sense in his own show, but not here. The finale was the worst offender for that, since it had dramatic music during the massive fight and then out of nowhere rap music would play and it was like....? It made no sense even in the context of the scene.

I know that it's a hard task to combine all these shows and these characters together, all who have their own established flow and whatnot, in such a limited amount of time, but instead of allowing it to develop its own identity and flow and giving us these character moments it just kind of felt rushed and disjointed with no sense of direction. It focused too much on things that didn't really matter and not enough focus on things that the audience wanted more of. So, yeah. It definitely could've been way better than how the final product was executed.

They haven't started filming daredevil s3 yet, or just have...I think that's meant to be 2019?

I read that there will be new seasons for Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke Cage in 2018. So, there's that. But you're right, the timelines are weird and don't really match up, it adds more confusion when there's so much time in between seasons.
Nadine: The Defenders - Elektra/Mattmalicat on September 11th, 2017 09:18 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty much the only one who doesn't care for JJ so I could have lived without her scenes tbh but I love Elektra and Elektra/Matt so much that I ended up enjoying The Defenders much more than you did and a lot of others as well because I'm so obsessed with them ^^
I also didn't mind the focus on The Hand because it hopefully means that they are finally done with this plotline and can move on to better things!
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 11th, 2017 10:13 pm (UTC)
I actually really enjoyed the Elektra and Matt/Elektra stuff, just everything surrounding them was beautiful. I just wished they had more time for more scenes because it wasn't enough. But Matt/Elektra is always wonderful so I'm glad there was at least something of that in this, especially in the finale with them fighting and Matt knowing that he wouldn't make it out because he wanted to get through to Elektra. I love their chemistry so much. ❤

I'm hoping the stuff with The Hand is done with, but it sucks that the show spent so much time building on all of that instead of focusing on other things.
the rogue one: quantities of human beingscaptandor on September 12th, 2017 03:19 am (UTC)
It's crazy to me that JJ came out in 2015! I still haven't watched The Defenders, though it's on my list. I'm really not a fan of Iron Fist :/
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 12th, 2017 03:34 am (UTC)
I know, right? You'd think that we would've gotten a second season by now considering how long ago it was. It's baffling that we've had to wait this long.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of focus of the Iron First/Danny Rand is The Defenders so it might not be as enjoyable if you're not a fan of him. There are some fantastic moments between some of the other characters though, and I liked seeing Matt meeting and interacting with Jessica and Luke. So those are worth it.
haebin: angelhaebin on September 12th, 2017 01:50 pm (UTC)
After watching Jessica Jones last week, I thought about watching The Defenders. But at first I should watch the other series like Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Daredevil.
But god damn it, Jessica Jones was absoluty awesome. I loved the story, I loved every single character and it was made sooo well! I can't wait for Season 2. <3
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 12th, 2017 09:16 pm (UTC)
But god damn it, Jessica Jones was absoluty awesome. I loved the story, I loved every single character and it was made sooo well! I can't wait for Season 2. <3

I can honestly say that Jessica Jones is, without a doubt, my absolute favorite of all the Netflix Marvel shows. Like, hands down. The first season was so beautifully structured, the writing, the way the show was shot, the acting, it was all phenomenal. It's baffling that we've had to wait so long for the second season, but I'm excited that we're getting it next year so, yay!
Mariashyngi on September 12th, 2017 05:31 pm (UTC)
I agree with you so much. The Defenders was "just ok". Like the only good thing was to see all of them together + Jessica & Matt.

I found Luke Cage kinda boring (did not finish it). Iron Fist was little better but not nearly as good as Daredevil or Jessica Jones. And now Defenders being just ok, I'm not at all sure how to think about The Punisher. Like.. If I don't expect anything, can I still be disappointed?

I'm kinda afraid that since they all now know each others will this become new Avengers thing? You can name the movie Captain America but it's still an Avengers movie......
Renéerogueslayer452 on September 12th, 2017 09:08 pm (UTC)
I'm not at all sure how to think about The Punisher. Like.. If I don't expect anything, can I still be disappointed?

Well, low expectations is better than having high expectations which lessens the chance of getting disappointed. For what it's worth, I'm not interested in anything involving The Punisher and probably won't even watch it. If I do it'll just be out of mild curiosity of what they're doing with the show and how it ties into the rest of these characters and universe. But otherwise, I just don't care. I would've preferred if Elektra had gotten her own series, tbh.

I'm kinda afraid that since they all now know each others will this become new Avengers thing?

I don't think that will be the case. Television is different from movies since there is more breathing room for character development and dealing with the seasonal arc and plot. Each of their own series has a different feel and tone, and even though they all know each other at this point I don't think it'll affect their own series. Chances are that if they end of guesting on each other's show it'll be for an episode or two or be mostly in the background but otherwise won't be a disturbance from that main character's story.

Edited at 2017-09-12 09:09 pm (UTC)
Mariashyngi on September 13th, 2017 03:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah I get what you are saying about The Punisher.

I just can't wait for Jessica Jones S2 because I just want Trish everything!!
Renéerogueslayer452 on September 16th, 2017 07:30 am (UTC)
Based on what has been mentioned some while ago, it's been said that Trish will definitely be more involved in the second season so you'll be getting your wish. ;)

Edited at 2017-09-16 07:31 am (UTC)
giallarhorn: Jessica Jonesgiallarhorn on September 13th, 2017 01:20 am (UTC)
I think a problem with it is that the overarching plot doesn't fit in with Luke and Jessica's realm of stuff? Mostly Iron Fist, and a little of the weirder stuff from Daredevil, but everyone else is mostly drawn in by proximity rather than invested interest.

That, and it continues to suffer the pacing problem Netflix seems to struggle with. I guess they assume everyone will binge the show so...treat it like a super long movie?
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 16th, 2017 07:29 am (UTC)
I think a problem with it is that the overarching plot doesn't fit in with Luke and Jessica's realm of stuff?

Yeah, it seemed a very weird choice for this to be the plot that brought them all together. It was just so weirdly out of place when adding Jessica and Luke into the mix, because their stories are more grounded in realism. Yes, they have superpowers but their abilities are secondary to everything else happening around them. They use these powers when they need to but it doesn't need suspension of belief. While the characters did comment about how ridiculous a lot of what they were ultimately facing was, it still doesn't really mesh.

Had these elements been introduced in all of their shows then maybe it could have worked. But each of their shows have a different tone and different feel to them that bringing them together like this just didn't work as well as it could have. IDK. I think they should have picked a different plot to bring them all together.

That, and it continues to suffer the pacing problem Netflix seems to struggle with. I guess they assume everyone will binge the show so...treat it like a super long movie?

I personally don't mind it, to be honest. I actually like that most of the Netflix stuff is filmed in a way that treats a season like a long movie since I've gotten more used to binge watching most of my shows anyway, so something that doesn't have unnecessary expositions each episode is fine by me. I understand that not many like it, but I personally don't find it a hindrance to my enjoyment. But when it came to The Defenders though, I felt like they didn't really know what they wanted to focus on, which led to everything feeling disjointed and uneven, and kind of unnecessary in the end. Also if you only watched one or two shows of Netflix's Marvel series, you might not feel as invested in certain parts as others. I only cared about Jessica, Luke and Matt, along with some of the other supporting characters, but that's about it. I didn't care for The Hand or Danny Rand, which unfortunately is what the season focused on. So, yeah. IDK.
an idea is bulletproof: BtVS - loathingelizalavelle on September 17th, 2017 05:16 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched The Defenders yet so I skipped most of your post but had to say I agree that the wait for more Jessica Jones is crazy. I love that show, most of my friends loved it. I can find people who are hot/cold on the other Marvel Netflix shows but the love for Jessica Jones is much greater and yet... season two is taking FOREVER! It's super annoying.
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 18th, 2017 11:35 pm (UTC)
I've only seen a few people who don't care for Jessica Jones, but aside from that I've definitely observed that the majority share the love for the show and the character. So the fact that we've had to wait so long for a second season is ridiculous. It's why her presence on The Defenders was such a pleasant one, because we've missed her so much and any new content with her featured is a welcomed one.
katie: jj | edgesreys on September 18th, 2017 05:06 pm (UTC)
THANK YOU for summing up exactly how I felt. I thought it was okay and maybe I hyped it a bit too much. I hadn't yet finished Luke Cage (but knew enough about it) or watched Daredevil (but again I knew a lot about it). I gave Iron Fist 4 episodes to sell me and it was horrendous. So for the plot to lean hard on Danny's storyline was a real struggle for me to get through. I, like everyone else, really wanted to see the interactions between these characters. A big point of Luke and Jessica's storylines I've felt are that they're not here for the glory or the big fights that involve aliens and demigods. But there's been a much more relatable tone to their storylines and characters. Jessica is, for me, the absolute best character of the four and I was left aching to see more of her throughout the show. I am HYPED AF for the next season with her.

I just felt like they didn't know much how to handle the secondary characters as well so...let's just lock them in a room for their 'protection'. I'm glad Claire and Colleen had a few bonding moments but I wanted MORE. I feel like Danny's character just brings Colleen down. Or the writing brings her down because she's reduced to this "nagging girlfriend" and I am so not here for that. He's a dismissive, naive asshole and I want to tell her girl, drop his ass.

Some of the fights were good and really shined with Daredevil. I didn't feel very many STAKES in it and I could not care less about The Hand.

I was fine with this concept of them getting together out of necessity and not necessarily becoming BFFs (I don't think anyone really expected that really) but I really wanted more interaction than them fighting alongside each other. The quips and sarcasm were great. Luke making fun of Danny was great IMO. But it still didn't deliver what I had been really hoping for.

I do though, enjoy the coloring for each, some of the transitions, some of the music and the overall acting was really strong. Just the writing and plot was a little thin.

UGH NEED JJ 2 LIKE BURNING
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on September 24th, 2017 09:32 am (UTC)
A big point of Luke and Jessica's storylines I've felt are that they're not here for the glory or the big fights that involve aliens and demigods. But there's been a much more relatable tone to their storylines and characters.

Exactly. Their stories and problems are more grounded in realism, what they're personally dealing with in those self-contained stories is something that everyone can understand because they're so relatable. I felt like they should have done a different storyline to bring these characters together instead of one that was based with mysticism, because it clashes with Jessica and Luke's stories. It's such a weird transition to go from their shows, to this, and then back to their own shows where none of this will probably have any affect on them, aside from what happened with Matt in the finale.

(And I totally agree with you, Jessica was the best part of the whole thing, amplified by the fact that we've waited so damn long for S2 of her show so that her presence was a welcomed one. I missed her face, I missed Trish's face, and I want JJ S2 right now, dammit!)

I just felt like they didn't know much how to handle the secondary characters as well so...let's just lock them in a room for their 'protection'.

It was just so poorly done. The reason why people wanted these characters to be in the same room together was to actually have them interact with each other. Not just be in a room and only a couple of them having some conversation. It defeats the purpose of getting these secondary characters together like that, you know? It's not just with the main leads, but the other characters as well. Especially Claire who is the key interconnecting link between all the shows. You'd think that they would've at least taken advantage of that. But nope.

I feel like Danny's character just brings Colleen down. Or the writing brings her down because she's reduced to this "nagging girlfriend" and I am so not here for that.

I didn't watch Iron Fist, and never will, but I heard enough about it to know how horrible it was, and it's disappointing that Colleen not only was reduced as a love interest but also that her story is being overshadowed by Danny as well. She deserves so much better than what the writing has done to her, because she has so much to offer and so much potential. Just replace Danny with Colleen as the fourth Defender since she quite frankly has earned it. Her story is far more compelling and interesting anyway.

Some of the fights were good and really shined with Daredevil. I didn't feel very many STAKES in it and I could not care less about The Hand.

Same. The Hand in particular was built on being this very scary and powerful Big Bad but the end result just didn't seem that way at all? It could have been better executed, but I mostly felt like for all that build up it was totally wasted in the end and there wasn't much of a personal stake for our heroes to deal with. Then again, I never cared about The Hand stuff so perhaps it's just my indifference towards them.

Luke making fun of Danny was great IMO. But it still didn't deliver what I had been really hoping for.

I did enjoy everyone kind of mocking Danny, especially Luke calling him out for his privilege, which was a great moment. But overall, everything with Danny just felt so out of place. Perhaps that was the intentional "purpose" of standing out among the rest of them like a fish out of water, but he was just so annoyingly naive that it was painful to get through his scenes especially with everyone else. Luke, Jessica and Matt have this natural organic chemistry with each other that just clicked immediately, but with Danny it felt so forced. Again, the writing trying to make him endearing with being clueless but in reality was just really dumb. Especially once he started spewing his stuff about "I am the immortal Iron Fist!" and "I punched a dragon!" over and over like it meant something.

So yeah, The Defenders had potential but it just wasn't executed well. It doesn't help that the main focus was Danny Rand and The Hand, two things I don't give any shits for.