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29 October 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Heroes: "The Line" Episode Review  

The Heroisms: Every Choice Has A Consequence

In this episode, properly entitled "The Line", Monica has been taken into the Company for further investigating on her capabilities and boundaries of her abilities, where she trusts they can understand how or why she does what she does before returning home. Unfortunately Mohinder deals with morality conflictions as Bob says he has to inject Monica was a dose of the Shanti Virus, is offered a compromise after threatening to leave the Company's grasp which leads to a newfound partnership he cannot, by any means, refuse. Meanwhile Monica is returned home safe and sound, although there might be something else the Company is up to regarding her and her power, which they seemed very interested in.

In Odessa, Ukraine HRG and the Haitian track down an old friend for answers regarding the remaining paintings by Isaac Mendez; interrogations ensue as the morally greyness of HRG shines once more. Back in California West advises Claire to do something to win herself a spot on the cheerleading squad, while Claire and HRG continue to lie to each other about their whereabouts and intentions with their secret lives. Meanwhile Sylar, Maya and Alejandro find themselves finally at the border to the United States, unfortunately trouble awaits as the border control stops them, and Sylar convinces Maya to use her powers to get by them. Alejandro distrusts Sylar while Maya believes Sylar is their "Gabriel" and will guide them to salvation, while Sylar has very different intentions for them both.

In 1617 Japan, the plan to save Yaeko's father has been issued, though Hiro lets his feelings for the princess get in the way and the friendship bound between him and Kensei has been broken. As Peter and Caitlin travel together to Montreal to find what the prophetic painting means, only to find a grim discovery...

The Characters: Whom To Trust Or Not To Trust

Noah "HRG" Bennet and The Haitian: Seriously, the best badass duo ever. I am so happy they've reunited and are working together again. Also, having HRG return to his moral greyness is so much win. He knows what he's doing, and he knows the consequences and he's willing to risk everything to find the answers. And him turning on his former friend, the one who'd trained and groomed him to be in the Company from the beginning, shooting him ruthlessly knowing that he can never return back (because really, once entering that organization there really IS no turning back from what you've done, right?) was so much FOR THE WIN. He's just all-around awesome. Just DON'T DIE, or I'll have to cut a bitch.

Claire Bennet: So she's revisiting her cheerleading roots. As happy as I am that that's happening, I kind of wished more was happening with her storyline. It's become too melodramatic with the Claire/West stuff. We know that Claire is much more than this, we've witnessed it and have hard evidence proving this from last season. Unfortunately we have to deal with stereotypical teenage drama when she's already been down this road before. She stood up to Jackie without anyone's help, and suddenly she needs advice planning from West? Pssh, whatever. I'm sorry I just dislike West influencing Claire to do these things. I want her to be involved with the bigger plotline, to be involved like she was last season; she seems to want to do more with her abilities, to help people. She mentioned all this to her father and I was like "yay, go Claire!" and now suddenly it's all for the dramatics with West, and I'm just "boo, hiss, bad Claire! No cookie." I admit that head cheerleader needed to be given a reality check because she was a serious bitch, but did they really need to go that far? I know that Claire needs to be a regular teenager and all, but this storyline with her isn't doing much at the moment. They've kind of dumbed her character down, I'm just hoping things get better as the season goes on.

West: Nobody likes you. Go away.

Mohinder Suresh: Oh Mohinder, my poor Mohinder. I knew that he would be going through moral conflictions from what the orders the Company was giving him, and I was happy and proud that he didn't go through with injecting Monica with the Virus. Just the very thought of using the same diseased virus that killed his sister on someone else would've sent him over the edge anyway, even if his blood was the cure, and I would've presumed the Company knew this despite his willing cooperation to work with them. Now because of his outburst and disagreements with Bob they're keeping him on a tighter lease, having Jessica becoming his partner. Even Mohinder knew something was fishy from the look on his face. Now, I understand frustrations over his decision to take Molly to the Company in the first place but really, he had no other option as I'd explained before. It's such a difficult job he's in right now, the predicaments with working with HRG and taking desperate measures to survive and keep those he loves safe, really what would anyone else in his position have done? Okay, I'll always defend Mohinder, but you catch my drift.

In my opinion, this was a place where Mohinder had to get to. Running around doing the Company's bidding while waiting for orders from HRG to take it down from the inside while protecting the little girl he loves from her living nightmare would've torn him down somewhere in the future, so I found his outburst something he had to do, despite it having him on closer watch by the Company. People have to remember that Mohinder is a professor, a scientist, and he isn't trained like HRG had been in knowing the tricks of these people. Even so, he has to tread even more carefully now.

Niki/Jessica Sanders: So apparently even though Niki had gone to the Company for help, obviously they needed her for something else. They needed Jessica. So that's what Bob was telling Niki in their phone conversation about her giving them what they wanted, and now Jessica will be shadowing over Mohinder when Bob isn't around, and you seriously don't want to anger Jessica. But I'm still confused over her whole deal, what the writers are going with her storyline. I still love Niki/Jessica and I love Ali Larter, but honestly I don't think they have a solid idea where all this is going. Now we know that Jessica had worked for Linderman so her joining the Company isn't a surprise -- but what happened to Niki? Did the Company subdue her so Jessica could come out and play? Huh.

Monica Dawson: I still love Monica, although I'm seriously getting the feeling that the Company isn't done with her yet, and that perhaps they're breeding her to become part of their circle. I mean, they've already gained her trust so having her on their side, considering her amazing abilities of muscle mimicking I think they want her to join them. Also take into consideration Bob's generosity along with letting her go so easily. I don't know, it's just a thought.

Hiro, Yaeko and Kensei: So the plot finally thickens with this ancient Japan storyline, wherein Hiro finally admits his true reason for staying being his love for Yaeko. Of course, Kensei finds out and his heart is broken, leading his betrayal to Yaeko and to Hiro by going to the other side. Oops, Hiro broke history. Again. Well, I guess this sets up having Hiro becoming his own childhood hero, and also Kensei's nature of becoming possibly part of the Big Plotline of the season. Because with someone who's immortal and having something like that happen, it means he'll hold this grudge forever and ever and whenever Hiro returns to the present they'll both cross paths again. At least, I'm hoping so.

Sylar, Maya y Alejandro: Incredibly short their scenes were, nothing much progressing in their roadtrip other than Sylar using his skillful persuasion to win over Maya's affections to trust him ultimately so she uses her deadly abilities to get to their destination. I know most think Maya is idiotic for trusting Sylar so easily, but in her case it's completely understandable. Clearly Alejandro doesn't buy it, which smart for him. Though I loved how Sylar plans on using them for his own personal gain; it's a complete win-win situation for him. Once regaining the ability to acquire other abilities he'll steal theirs, and if not he'll use Maya as his "shiny new toy". It makes sense. Should be interesting to see all their scenes play out, and hopefully there's more of them in an episode soonly.

Peter Petrelli and Caitlin: So it begins, Peter is rediscovering the things that his erased memory had stored away, and Caitlin is tagging along for the ride. Also dude, so we'll find out what happened to Peter within those four months before ending up in that crate and shipped to Ireland, and a partnership with this Adam fellow? DUDE, and that last scene with Peter being transported to 2008 in a New York City wasteland? Holy crap, it's nearly like last year when he had the vision of becoming the "exploding man"; now this time it's a different cause, same situation. Huh, interesting.

The Episode: Morality Lessons of Right and Wrong

Even though some storyline are being missed in episodes now because of the huge ensemble cast, I really did enjoy this one primarily because it dealt with morality choices and decisions the characters were going through; the personal conflictions, the turmoils and choices they all have to face sooner or later to fight for the greater cause. This was called "The Line" because these characters have to cross that particular line in order for those decisions to take place.

The biggest one for me, quite obviously, was Mohinder's personal conflictions and rethinking his position of doing things the Company tells him. Even though he might blow his cover, despite HRG's warnings and strict instructions to not give them a reason to be suspicious from his actions or demands, he always does the right thing in the end. As evidenced in the alternate universe of "Five Years Gone", which surprisingly has interesting parallels here too, he will join up with someone whether he's consciously aware of their truest intentions or not, but in the end he'll be faced with an impossible situation that would make him question his moral bounds and whether he's willing to cross that line. In this episode HRG gave him strict orders to do whatever the Company asks of him, but here's the thing: Mohinder is not like HRG. There may be parallels with their intentions for protecting the ones they love, but Mohinder isn't going to cross over into that morally grey area that HRG has already done because essentially, Mohinder is the central goodness of the entire show in general. He may do things that others may find stupid or wreckless, but that's because he's human. Humans make mistakes, we do stupid things and in times of crisis we make decisions we normally would think twice about. Perhaps that's why I love his so much, because he is flawed just like we are.

Anyway, he's the moral compass for the series and what happens when that moral compass disappears? Chaotic results occur. I was afraid that Mohinder would give into the Company, but he seems to have his priorities straight regarding not doing things that go against his moral ethnics. He's also placing himself deeper into that risky hole, because while Bob had personally apologized he seems to think Mohinder might cause trouble if these trust issues continue. Thus, having Jessica become his partner -- or realistically, judging from their intentions, his dominating partner shadowing his every move -- to keep him in line so no further outbursts happen.

I do worry about him, though. Mohinder is a good man, he knows the difference between right and wrong and he most certainly isn't a murderer. He will not go in the direction HRG had gone, but if he doesn't something terrible will happen to him. But the Company won't kill him, he's clearly needed for his knowledge and his blood being the cure, but even though he isn't suspendible they can make his work more difficult to challenge his faithfulness to the organization. Eventually he will have to do something that goes against his ethical beliefs, when that time comes he won't have any choice. I just hope that if and when that time does come, Mohinder will use his intelligence and smarts to turn that situation around.

As for the rest of the episode, every character dealt with decisions and choices and the consequences of their actions. HRG deals with his own morally grey actions, knowing what he's doing and knows the stakes and is willing to do all those things because that's his truest nature; his former Russian friend promised that everything would return back to normal, that he and his family would be safe. But HRG knows that nothing will ever be the same again, that is why he does what he does. There is no turning back. Claire also faces the right versus wrong confliction, although hers is lighter than others she doesn't like what West had asked of her to do. Hiro knows his actions for letting his feelings for the princess show would break history, but this morality lesson will have him dealing with the very man he'd begun to train to become a hero. Maya and Alejandro are dealing with the right and wrongness based on Sylar's interference, and even the characters not seen in this episode are dealing with those same personal issues regarding what is ethical and what isn't.

Also, I do like the rehashing of returning plotholes and reusing the same storytelling for this season. Same telling of, different situation. This is the Heroes way. Some may not like that they're repeating the whole thing with New York City becoming a target of a pandemic, possibly caused by the virus spreading or something else unleashed through genetic mutations, but it's still engaging nonetheless.

The Glees and Squees!

++ Ando is just so much love, especially his expression in the end like "What, is that it? What happens next, I wanna know!" Hee, like an anxious kid wanting to know more about the ending of a storybook. Although I wish he was more involved somehow other than discovering the scrolls. Though because the scrolls are done now this means he'll be involved further, and possibly crossing paths with Kensei in the present time while waiting for Hiro to return.

++ David Anders continues to be hilarious and awesome, though he broke my heart in the end and his look he gave Yaeko once trading sides was just sad.

++ Mohinder. Him bursting into Bob's office, chucking the sringe against the wall and throwing the chair at the glass cabinet in absolute rage for what'd been asked of him was just awesome. That's the Mohinder I know and love! Also when he's all "screw you and this popsicle stand! I'm taking my daughter and I'm leaving this shithole and you can you find yourself another buttmonkey!" was another win from this evening. Hee!

++ Also, Mohinder and the white lab coat? Yeah, totally did it for me. Meeoow...

++ So does this mean that Jessica's the Six to Mohinder's Gaius Baltar? Because seriously, the connection there is uncanny, like whoa. Yay, fandoms colliding!

++ Badass!HRG FTW baby!

++ Even though the West/Claire progession is going nowhere for me, I liked that they did the bitchy!cheerleader in, despite how utterly teenagery it was. She should've just punched her like she did with Jackie. But nevertheless, I liked the dark-haired girl who obviously likes Claire well enough. I do hope they become BFFs because Claire needs a friend that's a girl and who isn't West. Although, wasn't there supposed to have been a cheerleader who was a lesbian this season? Did that ditch that storyline? Because honestly, that would've been more intriguing than the West/Claire stuff.

++ Regarding the Isaac Mendez prophetic paintings: after HRG and the Haitian discovered the rest in the warehouse, there was one that resembled Mohinder (whose nose seemed to have been patched up from being broken) and shooting a gun. And I think another with a blonde, supposedly Niki, pounding at a mirror which she's trapped in? I don't know, I'm with HRG when I have NO frakking idea what it all means. Of course, speculations are nice but seriously...whoa.

++ Peter HAD been involved with the Company, or this Adam guy who knows about the Company or has ties to it. Ha! My predictions were rignt. Although it hasn't been confirmed by fact as of yet, but it leads more interesting theories to what happened to Peter during those four months while everyone thought he was dead.

++ Sylar and Alejandro fighting = ultra hotness. I wanted to see who hit who first though. My guesses on Alejandro because of his obvious dislike for Sylar, but nevertheless that scene? Yeah, even without TKing or other powers it was hot.

++ "Either he goes, or I go." Oh fandom, the twincest just writes itself doesn't it? Alejandro/Maya FTW right there.

++ Sylar's intentions make sense. I do like the idea of a Sylar/Maya kind of deal *gasp* blasphemy, I know, it's all about the Mohinder/Sylar OTP yo, but knowing Sylar he's all about the power not the sex. He probably feels connected to Maya because of her abilities being very dangerous and deadly, and getting her to use that ability for personal gain to get to their destination is like his breeding her as his own special pet, shall we say. Either way, as long as Maya trusts him to being his "guardian angel" they're both potentially dangerous, and Alejandro knows this. So it's totally in character for Sylar to say these things about Maya, because he's only using her.

++ Dude, Bob mentioned "Gabriel Gray". I don't know about anyone else, but I think this is the first time that name has been said in front of Mohinder. He's always known him as Sylar and nothing more, and I liked that they finally finalized this in canon that after the events at Kirby Plaza that he knows who Sylar's true identity was.

++ AWWWWW! Mohinder looking after Molly and kissing her forehead. I love how fatherly he is with her, and he surely feels regret for taking her to the Company but as he said, he had no other choice and he was desperate. Still, he loves her and even without the House of M3 at the moment, that scene warmed my heart. ♥

++ No Nathan or Matt or the Older Generation in this episode, which makes me sad. :(

++ Who else got the impression that the "other threat" Bob was talking about was Maury Parkman? I kept thinking that as soon as he said it, until it was revealed it was the man on the folder which Mohinder had read in the beginning. Damn. It would make sense if Bob knows about Maury's intentions and is dangerous and is attempting to kill off the others of the Group -- it would give his apology to Mohinder more leeway to his sincerity. Though we do know that Maury is after Bob anyhow, so we'll see.

++ OMG, a pandemic possibly connected to the Company, the Virus or the mutations of Specials? OMG OMG OMG!! This is something I like, and this is only the beginning of the season, and I know some people are disappointed that things are speeding up based on these current six episodes, but remember last season when things didn't start picking up until midseasn, or right around/after the seasonal hiatus? I think this is what this season is going to be as well, and once that happens I can't wait when everything explodes.

++ Was there a Mohinder voiceover this episode at all or did I miss it? I want my Mohinder VOs, dammit!

Overall: This was another episode I really liked and enjoyed. Great for setting up the difficulties of these characters and what they'll have to face further down the line. Some will have to question their moralities and cross that line in order to protect the ones they love and for the fate of the world. I like this obversation and exploration. Obviously I would've preferred more investigation over the Older Generation plot, but this was enjoyable nonetheless. Mainly because I was nail-biting over Mohinder and what he would do, though I was very interested in everything happening for the hour aside from the Claire and West stuff, because we knew the outcome even before it happened so meh to that. Excited for next week, and the weeks/episodes to come.
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Renéerogueslayer452 on October 30th, 2007 09:19 pm (UTC)
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to read my review (I'm surprised it turned out as coherently as it did, since I wrote it late last night! XD), and I'm flattered that you enjoyed it so well. And you certainly may friend me! Absolutely, the more Heroes fans the better, and I'll friend in return. :D

I do agree about centering everything plot-wise in New York, I understood last season and it would be nice if they would focus more on another location for a change. But I guess New York is where the Heroes gather, perhaps? I don't know. I mean it's probably easier, money wise to have one particular location become the central place for all the biggest revelations to occur, sort of like although we can have all these things happening worldwide only ONE city is the central focus of it all. Heh, I don't know.

*gasp* Someone else who's actually enjoying the Road Trip of Doom storyline? I didn't know other such people existed. *g*

Hee! I really do like the roadtrip storyline, along with Maya and Alejandro because I liked them from the premiere and I don't understand why others don't (aside from the Maya thing, which is something I still don't get at why people rag on her but whatever). I'm also very excited that Sylar's teamed up with them, for his own reasons of course. I am interested at what's going to happen with all three of them, if Maya will turn bad with Sylar or see Sylar's true intentions or whatnot. It's intriguing and I just wish there were more scenes with them to move their storyline along. That's my only issue.
Tracy: Andersalexwhitman25 on October 30th, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)
She stood up to Jackie without anyone's help, and suddenly she needs advice planning from West? Pssh, whatever.
Exactly. C'mon Claire - you are supposed to be strong and independent.

I agree that they have plans in mind for Monica. They see her as a valuable asset for the future.

It's looking more to me like Kensei might be the hooded figure. I kinda love that he is going to the dark side.

I do hope they become BFFs because Claire needs a friend that's a girl and who isn't West.
Totally agree.

Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on October 30th, 2007 09:06 pm (UTC)
I really don't like where they're going with Claire this season, and I wanted to. Really I did, and perhaps in later episodes they can redeem this whole thing but judging from where they're going with her disobeying her father and detaching from his trust is SO last season. She's been through that before, we don't need to have it again and with a tag-along boytoy influencing her, either. :/

Letting Claire be a normal teenager I can agree with, but this whole lovestory thing with her and West? I'm just not interested. It's the same thing over and over every episode and nothing is progressing with them to the big overall story -- unless I'm right, that West is EVIL and is part of the Company somehow.

I agree that they have plans in mind for Monica. They see her as a valuable asset for the future.

Totally. I mean, they got to Niki/Jessica didn't they? They need all the valuable assets they can recruit, and Monica's ability is certainly the most interesting one -- she can learn muscle actions without much difficulty. Plus, Bob giving her a device to learn new tricks? Oddly suspicious.

It's looking more to me like Kensei might be the hooded figure. I kinda love that he is going to the dark side.

Dude, I love the theory of Kensei being the hooded-figured. I had something along the lines that because of what happened in the past, regarding Hiro changing history or bringing history to life and whatnot, would cause these chain of events to occur. Huh. Very interesting, indeed. All we needed was to see Kensei turn dark, and I'm glad we did. While I love the giddy, drunken Kensei who's silliness with Hiro was adorable, I love this new direction with him.

Also, David Anders ROCKS in this role. :D
Tracy: Andersalexwhitman25 on October 30th, 2007 10:33 pm (UTC)
unless I'm right, that West is EVIL and is part of the Company somehow.
And that is the only way that that storyline can be somewhat redeemed.

I thought earlier this season that he might somehow end up being the hooded figure, what with his immortality. But the turning to the dark side this last ep almost sealed it for me.

Also, David Anders ROCKS in this role. :D
He so does. He brought the lolz and now he will bring the nasty. So excited.
Polo Moloslartibartfast on October 30th, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC)
I like West!

Why am I always too tired after watching Heroes to properly read reviews on it? Gah.
Renéerogueslayer452 on October 30th, 2007 08:55 pm (UTC)
Hee, I know you, but fandom in general doesn't seem very fond of him. I'm just waiting for more to happen regarding him and Claire, because for now it seems like the same thing every episode. *shrugs*

I'm the opposite. After watching Heroes my mind is spinning with adrenaline. I'm actually surprised my reviews turn out coherent for anyone to read!
Polo Molo: ZQ: Lolslartibartfast on October 30th, 2007 08:57 pm (UTC)
Fandom smells. (*is kidding obviously* XD I ♥ fandom)

I usually get like that, but I suppose it's 'cause I've been ill and tired watching the last two, so the excitement drains me and I can't do anything afterwards. XD
Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on October 30th, 2007 09:23 pm (UTC)
Aww, sorry you've been sick. :( The excitement drains me too afterwards, but because of the reaction after turning off the TV I have to get my energy out through reviewing/talking about it. Only then can I actually feel relieved.

Oh Heroes, I don't know how I'm gonna quit you. XD
helio, helium girl: (i)heliotitans on October 31st, 2007 10:39 am (UTC)
DUDE, and that last scene with Peter being transported to 2008 in a New York City wasteland? Holy crap, it's nearly like last year when he had the vision of becoming the "exploding man"; now this time it's a different cause, same situation.

I'm not sure if i like it, it's like season 1 plot all over again, with the city destroyed and all of that, we'll see if it changes something in the next episodes, though.
Renéerogueslayer452 on October 31st, 2007 10:59 am (UTC)
Hmm, I'm not sure it's about the destruction of the city like last season though, and I think they're going for a pandemic panic here since mainly what's been talked about, concerning the Company, is the Shanti Virus (it's just that New York is the central marker for it in the show). Bob even asked Mohinder to test out an alternated version of it, in which Mohinder declares it might not be curable if it spreads. I think this is possibly what is going to happen -- judging from the note this Adam Monroe left Peter, suggesting that the Company isn't what it used to be. Which I do think that they are experimenting with the Virus and trying to use it in their twisted kind of ways of weeding out the good and the bad.

It'll get more interesting as we find out more about it as the season continues, which I am excited about.
helio, helium girl: (eh)heliotitans on October 31st, 2007 11:55 am (UTC)
yep, i said 'drestroyed' only for talking about something similar to last season, but it remembers me of somekind of 28 days later or so, lol.

The thing i don't buy, it's that the use the 'go accidentally into the future to bring the plot to the show again', it was so like the last season in that point.
Renéerogueslayer452 on October 31st, 2007 12:00 pm (UTC)
The thing i don't buy, it's that the use the 'go accidentally into the future to bring the plot to the show again', it was so like the last season in that point

I definitely see your point there. They could've used another way to present the "what ifs" and "could bes" for the prevention of the chain of events for that possible future to happen. Like with the Series of Eight paintings, guiding them along or something. Heh, we'll find out soon enough.
helio, helium girl: (l)heliotitans on October 31st, 2007 12:22 pm (UTC)
yeah, we'll see :)
amanda: [heroes] badass bennetmorbidmuse on October 31st, 2007 10:13 pm (UTC)
I LOVE Bennet and his morally gray attitude. He can't die. Not ever.

Well, we already know I hate West. But, yeah, Claire is annoying me too. She is just so much more than this. I feel like she's regressed this season. And it is all West's fault!

I'm seriously getting the feeling that the Company isn't done with her yet, and that perhaps they're breeding her to become part of their circle.
Awesome idea! I could totally see that.

I have been incredibly bored with most of the Hiro stuff this season. But if things all happen with Kensei in the future (present?) like what you described, then I'll be happy with it.

it's nearly like last year when he had the vision of becoming the "exploding man"; now this time it's a different cause, same situation. Huh, interesting.
This is the first response I'm reading for the episode as I just finished it so I have no idea what other people are thinking. But when I saw that scene I couldn't help thinking it was a bit of a rip off from season one. I mean, there we had Hiro first getting the vision of destruction in NYC in episode 2 and then Peter seeing the already destroyed NYC much later. Here we have... Peter seeing the already destroyed NYC. It isn't even a different city. It is Times Square, where Hiro transported himself to in season one. I know it is where the majority of the heroes are so hopefully that will make sense later and relate to them. Plus it could still connect to the 5YG world, which is always a fun comparison to make. Also it allows Peter to go to NYC to save it and discover Nathan and be reunited like we are all waiting for??? I'm definitely not against the plotline yet and still have a lot of hope for it, I just think they could have introduced it a little better given how similar it now appears to season one.

Haha. I should fully read posts before I start commenting to them. Your morality section was really interesting and I totally agree. I didn't realize you would talk more about the NYC thing in it. :/

Yeah, they are definitely need to use Ando more. :(

When Mohinder kissed Molly on the head? It was too cute for words. Seriously.

I thought Bob was talking about Maury too. It wasn't just you.
Renée: Gabriel. Like the angel.rogueslayer452 on October 31st, 2007 11:10 pm (UTC)
Well, we already know I hate West. But, yeah, Claire is annoying me too. She is just so much more than this. I feel like she's regressed this season.

It's upsetting that it's been reduced to this with her character. She's dealt with much, much more things from last season and now they're rehashing the old high school storyline with her? Claire should start becoming more involved with the bigger plots instead of this, because she does want to do something more than sitting around. She even said so the her dad, and that moment I was proud of her for wanting to use her abilities for good. Then tra-la-la West comes along, sweeps her off her feet (literally, which gag me with that please, kthx) and completely ruins her characterization. I just hope that when he and HRG meet, which eventually they will, HRG is SO scary that West'll piss his pants and go home crying.

I have been incredibly bored with most of the Hiro stuff this season. But if things all happen with Kensei in the future (present?) like what you described, then I'll be happy with it.

Yeah, the ancient Japan stuff, while interesting in the beginning, started to stray and left me feeling like we're reliving the same thing in every episode. Kind of like the West/Claire scenes. But I think the general idea for that was the setup the friendship/alliance between Hiro and Kensei, Hiro having Kensei stepup to his title of being a hero and to only unintentionally betray him with the princess, leading to Kensei's downfall. If only they'd done it in a better way of scenes or editing in episodes. Eh, at least now Kensei has turned the tables which will lead to more (hopefully) interesting reveals about his character, past and present.

The whole NYC plots and destruction I thought was kind of ripping off S1 when I first saw it, but I was thinking along the same lines you were, that despite the reusage of the same city and location it's the central place where all the Heroes gather and join together. We do know that the Company (I think?) is located there, or at least a facility runned by them, and the Group of Twelve have gathered there multiple times before. I think that even though they could go to different places, NYC is the main point for everything that's happened and what's going to happen. Again, this show is all about how people and places are all connected for a reason, so I do hope it's revealed later this season.

Aside from that, the parallels and reminiscence to "Five Years Gone" is so evident. It may not be entirely the same, with the prevention of the explosion, but with the virus, mutations and threatening of a possible pandemic breakout the future is still dark and bleak (and very Resident Evil or 28 Days Later). I have no idea where my thoughts are going with this, but it's all very interesting, and I have a feeling that WHY the Older Generation wanted the explosion to happen in NYC from S1 was to stop such an outbreak from occurring; or perhaps, in the 5YG-verse the virus still existed and Sylar!Nathan wanted future!Mohinder to use it after getting rid of such organizations like the Company and the Linderman Group. Again, parallels!

Okay, I'm getting ahead of myself with these theories and speculations. Moving on....

Haha. I should fully read posts before I start commenting to them. Your morality section was really interesting and I totally agree.

Hee. It's one of the reasons why I love this show, actually. The moral ambiguities all the characters are faced with and the decisions they make based on them. Some are more evident with others, like HRG (which he was AWESOME in the episode), and especially with Mohinder. He knew when he signed onto this partnership and mission to take down the Company that he would have to do things he wasn't comfortable with, but they crossed the line with this particular task. The exploration with this is nice to see, which allows to characters to go through certain trials and tribulations and not seem cardboard-like with their actions.

That Mohinder and Molly scene? Metled my heart, short as it was I smiled. Aww, I love paternal!Mohinder. So sweet and protective.

WOW, this comment is longer than it should've been....
jirucloud on November 6th, 2007 04:29 am (UTC)
Okays... time for the first episode I watched today oh man... I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the new one too! GAH!

HRG and the Haitian... why can't you have all your scenes walking against pretty scenery? Heroes guys... omg! luff! And HRG knows a foreign language too! All the languages are too pretty here! He needs to speak more Russian ^.^

Claire... why are you falling down such a stupid road? >.> It doesn't look like you're getting any better and your storyline is moving way too slowly compared to everyone elses... Maybe you'll pick it up soon though?

MOHINDER!!!! WHY???? and Niki... I don't sense anything good to come of this relationship... please, please figure out your morals before someone like you gets hurt ;.;

As for Niki/Jessica... I didn't like it at all, but questions will be answered for you soon, maybe?

I hope not! Monica! although they did give her an iPhone... hmm... I do wonder what they have up their sleeves for her, although for now it seems like she might just be out of the picture for a bit... at least Dr. Mohinder was fun! ^.^

Hiro and Yaeko... OTP... but... OMG! I can't say much because... omg there was way too much in the new episode!!! *gah* But I really like Yaeko, I think she's my favourite character right now? well, female character, lol... And she's so pretty! tee!

Oh Sylar, why are you so mean? lol... I wish they could just have a love storyline, even if it meant Maya becoming his evil queen ^.^ How pretty! And Oh Alejandro... I wish he turned around and was like 'I SPEAK ENGLISH! IT WAS ALL AN ACT!!' lol, but that would be too good... lol

I swear NYC is always fated to bad times... *shakes head* it must have some pretty bad karma... hohoho, but yay for Peter and Caitlin! I'm glad they found a nice girl for him unlike Simone since they took away his niece, lol... and I liked Caitlin's 'so I can kill the bitch' line ^.^ Woo!

I liked the setting for the title too, and the title makes sense with that notion too ^.^

Mohinder seems to have the most problems with all of this. The rest of the characters seem to know what they will or will not do, while Mohinder is floating in a sea of continual perplexion...

I guess NYC is just a place where all the characters have had some understanding of and the set is still there from last season... though I do want them to go more into that crazy loft... how weird that they always turn back up there...
Yay for Ando!!! I wish there were more scrolls too! I really liked that communication, as well as the scroll-reading guy... I wonder if he will be involved more later on?

He still wanted to be with her~ but, how sad an ending... *flails* go watch the new episode now!!! Let it be the right timezone!!! x-x

Hee! I'm luffing Angry!Mohinder ^.^ Why is he so badass and still so full of problems?

hahaha, lesbian Claire? Well HRG did tell her 'no BOYfriends'... ... ...but I can't see it. lol

Oh man... I can't say anything on this subject spoiler-free! but I did like the paintings... did you see the Hiro one? That caught my eye ^.^

Do you think he was helping the Company though? It seemed more like he was like Sylar and stolen and used a bit...

Lol, the fight! And of COURSE she goes with the love?interest... Once again, what a cute couple Gabriel and Maya would make... maybe... Mariel? Gaya? lol... Why couldn't he want a relationship instead of an alliance? ;.;

Hmm, I didn't think anyone knew his real name because he always went by his nickname...

House of M3!! One day again? ;.;

Oh the Company, lol... how bad they are!

OH MAN! Everything is moving way too fast and it doesn't look like it slowing down except for Claire's story... and I don't think there were any VOs... ;.; I guess with all these characters and Mohinder playing such a big role, there isn't time for it anymore... ;.; Where will we get our crazy philosophy from now???

Yay for Heroes!!! I can't wait to get your reactions to the next one *sounds like a broken record player*

Renéerogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 06:41 am (UTC)
I know after watching tonight's episode will affect my opinions from this, but I'll give it a shot. ;)

I do so love the HRG and Haitian scenes. Their partnership is made of win, and I loved how HRG is willing to do whatever to protect his family. And how awesome was it that the Haitian was, once again, the mysterious silent man in the background? I loved it. All their scenes were awesome.

Claire is becoming reckless, and it's not becoming of her character at all. She should know better.

Those Mohinder and Monica scenes were awesome, then again nearly every scene with Mohinder is awesome. This episode really placed him in the middle of everything, from moral decision-making to discovering more about the Company and what they could do. This season is really putting his character more involved in the bigger picture, and I like it. Despite having these feelings over what might happen to him, I like having his character be in the middle of what's happening this season. He's dealing with lots of moral ambiguity this season, more than the last season, and I think that's why I'm loving his character more and more.

Also, his freakout in the lab? Made of awesome. 'Nuff said.

Some have said that they wouldn't like having Sylar and Maya becoming romantically involved, even if it meant she were to become his Evil Mistress. But in a way, it's kind of cute, especially Maya's ultimate trust in him because Sylar is her "angel Gabriel". Hee. But I definitely see them becoming more of an allianced team of evil than intimate, y'know? Like she trusts him and he's using her for power...it all comes together, in a twisted kind of way. Heh.

Oh, and I TOTALLY had wanted, after Sylar's speech, for Alejandro to stand up and say "I SPEAK ENGLISH, BITCH" and Sylar having this "Oh shit" expression on his face. XD That would've been priceless.

So much came out of this episode -- others didn't feel it, but I thought it was a lesson of morality and goodness.
jirucloud on November 6th, 2007 08:02 am (UTC)
tee! I know!!! Haitian Luff!!!

I don't know what changed her during the four months, but she's really different... I think the (new episode) fight she had with HRG showed a little bit of the reason for her recklessness at least...

I'm more worried for Mohinder than anything else... he needs someone to throw him a lifeline! ;.; But yes, his scenes are still awesome ^.^

I suppose, but a love relationship would be so much cuter! lol! And we'd be able to see a side of Gabriel we haven't yet, as well as the fact that it would give his character a vulnerability... cute!

*tee!* I'm so glad I wasn't the only one! ♥

It was, but tonights episode... even more! Although, the long-awaited kiss between Hiro and Yaeko made it wonderful ♥ I'm going to be sad to bid that storyline farewell... that and HRG-and-Haitian!walking... so sad, lol
Renée: Mohinder. Hot in Haiti.rogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 08:28 am (UTC)
I think the change is based on Claire wanting to do something more with her abilities, but is forced to go into hiding and live a lie. It's all confusing because she wants to have that normal teenage experience but still able to use her power for good, but she's going about it all wrong with West. Or, I should say, West is completely inlfuencing Claire to make the wrong decisions. True, the newest episode did shine light to that but she had the exact same thing happen last season with the trust issues. They should be more understanding of each other now.

Yeah, Mohinder is actually one of the characters I hope DOESN'T die this season (along with HRG). I've grown to love and appreciate his character more and more and to me, he's the central meaning of the show. But he goes through the motions like the audience, because he's the only non-special and non-morally gray character, so yeah I do worry about him too.

The thing is, we did see the vulnerable side to Gabriel in "The Hard Part" last season, with his mother. Though for a lovelife, I think it would be difficult; he's more about power than having a relationship at this point, a one-track mind he has. But yeah, I would be kinda cute. ;)
jirucloud on November 6th, 2007 08:33 am (UTC)
I agree, and West... ridiculous. Maybe he really didn't know her father was HRG though? After all, Bob still referred to them as Bennet...

I really hope he doesn't die! T.T Its always worrying when he's so wanted by all sides! Is his blood being the cure not an ability? I think he's a bit special because of that, personally...

LOL! He does! But, gah! Sylar in love?? Another good spin-off show in the making ^.^
Renée: Gabriel. Like the angel.rogueslayer452 on November 6th, 2007 08:43 am (UTC)
Heh, he has two known aliases within the show: Noah Bennet or just Bennet and HRG. Those who don't know his name call him the man with "horn-rimmed glasses" and those that do call him Mr. Bennet. West probably hasn't heard him by name if he isn't straightup evil like I think he is while everyone else seems to know or learn overtime. So, there you go.

Mohinder does seem to attract all sides of the coin, doesn't he? The good, the bad, the morally gray...they all want a piece of Mohinder and who can blame them, seriously? Everyone wants a Mohinjection of his blood..... XD

Dude, the only spinoff involving Sylar in love would be the Mohinder and Sylar show. Syhindlar: The Sitcom. For real, yo. :D