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03 December 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Heroes: "Powerless" Episode Review  
Oh Snap! Crackle! Pop!

The Heroisms: The Definition of a Hero Is...

In this explosive conclusion to Volume Two, Mohinder returns back to his apartment to find Sylar alive and has Maya to present to him, giving Maya her salvation to treating her abilities. Unfortunately the plan goes south when Sylar reveals his true nature in front of Maya, leading her to discover his truest capabilities, leading to a hostage situation under Sylar's control as Mohinder deciphers which strand of the virus Sylar has, which leads to a ghastly discovery, along with a few surprise casualties and choices ahead of them. Meanwhile Elle returns to her father after a failed job at watching the Bennet's, and she reconsiders her trust with him and tries to right those wrongs by going after one of their test subjects: Gabriel "Sylar" Gray.

Nathan and Matt goes off the Primatech Paper in Odessa, Texas to stop Adam and Peter from releasing the virus along with Hiro's mission to stop Adam once and for all, leading Peter to really reconsider which side he's on. The Bennet's get a shocking discovery while Niki and Micah try to find a way to save Monica, and two heroic people will meet a tragic end as an old rival regains his abilities and a mysterious newcomer wanders about.

The Characters: Two Heroes Fall, An Evil Will Rise

The Bennet Family: Shortened time as they had this episode, but I simply have this to say: Claire's plan is idealistic at best, good in theory but highly unlikely it can actually work in reality. I understand her determination for getting back at the Company for ruining her life and everyone else with abilities lives, but it's not really that simple as witnessed at the end of this episode. Good for her for dumping West like that (well, it was Kring's choice since he realizes his faults for tagging the romance thing this season). As for HRG returning, his whole "I made a deal" from the start didn't sound good. He literally sold his soul to the Company unwillingly, unlike the first time, to protect his family. I see this as karma though, because his plan backfired to taking down the Company due to his stubborn persistant attitude and lacking of explanation to Claire and Mohinder, so in hindsight yeah he should've dealt with things better. Should be interesting to see things unravel with him being underneath the clutches of the Company again.

Mohinder Suresh: How much love was he in this episode? Going from scared!Mohinder in front of Sylar, especially once seeing him after thinking he'd been dead, to vengeful!Mohinder to protective!Mohinder over Molly and then devious!Mohinder then back to scared!Mohinder again. That was awesome; Sendhil gave a wonderful performance in this episode, not that he hasn't before but dude, his scenes were remarkable. Undoubtfully with Sylar obviously, the chemistry is just THERE and of course, with Molly. Especially with Molly. OMG how cute were they, even in the midst of danger? Just, GUH!!! I love the connection because last season's finale Mohinder was protecting Molly from the "boogeyman", and in this finale he was doing almost the exact same thing. Nicely tied in. Also, Mohinder is a fucking mastermind because going to Isaac's loft, a.k.a. the new lab of his, was totally his plan for stalling time so the Company can see what's happening. Just look at the way they focused on him looking at the security camera. AWESOME. Mohinder, you are made of absolute win and I love you. ♥

Molly Walker: Someone mentioned elsewhere that Molly was the Claire of season two, and I have to agree. But man, while I love Molly and her involvement this season and the amount of cuteness given between her and Mohinder and Matt and their cute family, she's going to needs tons of therapy.

Sylar: Evil, badass motherfucker. You gotta love him. Oh yeah, and I SO CALLED IT that the Company had experimented on him. Figures, and Lord knows for what purpose. His scenes with Mohinder...holy hell, that was amazing. Chemistry was sizzling, like whoa.

Peter and Nathan Petrelli: They're such brothers, aren't they? Of course Nathan would be the one to snap some sense into Peter, which means that Petrellicest always end up saving the world, because that seems to be a running theme here. Not that I'm complaining I mean, fandom must be going nuts over that. Along with the reunion, while short it was worth it. That whole trick with Peter destroying the virus like that? Whoa, that was neat. Also with Nathan and Matt, adding the hilarity. But with all that, can I just say with Nathan in the end: OMGWTFNOOOOO!!! Yeah. Shocking. Whoa.

Mama Petrelli: Back to being Ice Bitch. Sacrificing one of her own sons is something with the Petrelli generation, huh? Damn, just damn. I knew there was something more about her, and it's interesting because we know diddly-squat about her ability or who she's involved with now, especially with the relevation that she was the one that helped Adam in the beginning. Huh.

Hiro Nakamura and Adam "Kensei" Monroe: Hiro teleporting Adam into a coffin/box deep within the ground, burying him alive to stop him? Damn that's cold and brutal. Of course this means he'll be back, obviously. Just because you have someone six feet under doesn't mean they're gone for sure (hello, Kill Bill anyone?) But I'm puzzled at what Hiro said to Adam; wasn't it Hiro that'd betrayed him first? Sure, Hiro taught him to become a hero and to do all those deeds, but it was Hiro that had backstabbed him from the beginning, all starting from a broken heart and a broken friendship. It seems odd, and I wonder why Hiro thinks that Adam would not get out from the coffin box. Which, by the way, hell in the world did he do that anyway?

Bob and Elle Bishop: Bob is Bad!Evil!Daddy and Elle is continuing the win me over. Though it seems strange from her characterization from when we were first introduced to her, her behavior so childish and giddy being reduced to apprehensive and suspicious around her own father. All due to HRG's little chit-chat from "Cautionary Tales". I was sad when all she wanted to do was to make her own father proud by going after Sylar herself failing at that, but hey it was the attempt that counted, right? Despite letting loose a psychotic serial killer? I guess when Kristen Bell said that a showdown between Elle and Sylar would be sweet she wasn't lying.

Matt Parkman: That mind-melding with Peter was very interesting, talking and commanding at each other. Dude, nice job with that. I do like Matt's partnership with Nathan, as seen in the beginning of this season and further as their connections with their parents. I find it very interesting, and it was awesome how he teamed up with Nathan to stop Peter in the end. I only wished that he'd gone back home to see Mohinder and Matt because, hello, M3 needs some love!

Niki and Micah Sanders: It's sad about Niki, really it is. All she ever wanted was to protect her son, her entire storyline was doomed from the moment she injected herself with the virus. She wasn't to die from the virus, and after the previous episode I'd predicted she was going to sacrifice herself to do the heroic thing to save Monica from the burning building. It was a sacrifical thing to do, though I have my doubts that Niki is really dead. Though it is a devastating situation for Micah, which leaves him orphaned.

Maya Hererra: She lives, she dies, she gets revived. So does this mean that she's going to be a regular now? I did like her interaction with Mohinder along with Molly, and I can see an alliance between her and them now that she knows Sylar's truest intentions and how dangerous he really is. I would've thought that without Alejandro she wouldn't be able to go on, and I liked how she stood up to Sylar after realizing that he'd lied to her from the beginning and once realizing that he'd killed her brother. I know some have seen her as annoying, and I admit to thinking she can be very gullible based on her hope of finding a cure for her abilities thinking that they were a curse, but her finding out instead of blindly following Sylar's every word even after the words left his mouth would've seemed even MORE stupid. I am glad that after all that she saw the truth and reacted badly. No longer is Sylar her "Angel Gabriel", he is now her enemy, and she's gained new friends and allies to really help her condition and path.

The Episode: Sins of the Older Generation

I have to say, this was probably the most energy-packed episode and a finale that wrapped things up nicely, if a little rushed to do so. This was the episode written as an alternate version finale instead of a mid-season cliffhanger for hiatus until the new year, all due to the strike. Though I knew that Kring had wanted this season to be split into two volumes, the first being "Generations" and the next now called "Villains", quite appropriately enough from Sylar's return and the possibilities of opening up that new Pandora Box of evilness and making deals with the Devil. Moral ambiguity never fails on this show, does it? Which is why I love it.

Aside from going off about killing off one of the most beloved characters on this show, whether he's really dead or not won't register in the minds of fandom until after the explosive outbreak has ended, I'd like to talk about the ending of this volume and the possibilities of a new gathering in this generation of Specials.

The Company had been created thirty years ago to change and save the world, and even though we're to think their corruptedness and Bob's leadership is destructive and untrustworthy we've seen the goodness that can come out of it. Having Mohinder become part of their operation wasn't by mere coincidence or chance of having him underneath their wing to follow them blindly because he is in connection with the Shanti virus directly, for obvious reasons, but because they know he can provide the goodness and moral compass to the organization. Surely Mohinder's gone through many changes this season and is very different from where he once was from the beginning of the last season, though even from S1's finale the Company had wanted him from the start to cure the virus within Molly. Was it fate by chance? I don't know, but whether he wants to or not Mohinder is part of the Company now and I think he can become part of the new generation of "heroes" to help others. That is what Mohinder does, he helps and saves strangers like he did with Maya, with Niki and Monica and almost everyone else he's ever come into contact with.

So here's my theory: nearly all the members of the Original Twelve have been killed or have been corrupted, so dismissing those that are corrupted we have a new generation of people who are willing to help the cause of saving the world. Perhaps right this time rather than plotting world domination like Adam. In this episode and previous episodes this season we've seen the get-together of certain characters and I think it would be an awesome -- no, amazing idea to do this once again, but with a more realistic plan. I still have to run through this idea in my head, but with the amounts of alliances made in these recent episodes alone between characters makes this idea very plausible, especially with this new threat engaged onto them.

I still need to organize my thoughts on this theory, but it's enough to speculate what might happen next.

The Glees and Squees!

++ Mohinder protecting Molly. I swear, if anything M3 continues to be the most adorablest storyline this season, and my absolute favorite. Of course it would've been nice to see Matt enter the picture and be with his family but, honestly? This is all about reliving what happened last season with them; Mohinder and Molly are inseparable, and I love their relationship. How protective and fatherly he is with her, how much of a parental figure he is. I LOVE these two together, love love love. Mohinder's a good papa, and I love him for his love and compassion and warmth for little Molly. *points to icon* ♥ ♥ ♥

++ Which reminds me: the "World's Greatest Dad" apron is MADE OF TOTAL FUCKING WIN! M3 lives!! My prediction: Matt and Mohinder share that apron, taking pride in their fatherly responsibilities.

++ Mohinder. Sylar. The Mylar is just unstoppable. OMG. "Welcome home Doctor Suresh....what happened to your nose?" XD

++ Nathan flying Matt!! Holy shit, that is comedic gold right there! Nathan "cargo jet" Petrelli. BWAHA! They totally went there.

++ I knew that Mama Petrelli was up to something else, just her stance and the way she was looking at Nathan and her telepathic message to Matt. It's like she knows that she cannot have both her sons live, because obviously their brotherly connection and love will create goodness in the world. So basically one must die or be sacrificed. Which adds to the most screwed up dysfunctional family they are. This also begs the question about whatever happened to Papa Petrelli. If his suicide was based on the Older Generation's decisions in the past or caused by something else?

++ "I want...breakfast." HAHA HOLY SHIT that was awesome. Mohinder's expression was utterly priceless. In fact, that whole interaction in the apartment was fantastically done, right from after Mohinder tried to stab Sylar after realizing he was without powers to Maya's reaction to Mohinder hugging Molly. Just, wow. Loved it.

++ Speaking of which, when Sylar drew the gun onto Mohinder I swear he was all "oh great, not again." Mo's just getting guns in his face all this season, isn't he?

++ It's interesting how Sylar was all smooching on Maya in the previous episode and now, come the turn of events, he was all "shut the fuck up bitch" and then BANG BANG! He shot her like "oooppsies, like what you made me do." That? That was pure awesomecakes right there, and the perfect blackmail to Mohinder like if she wasn't cured, Sylar would kill both him and Molly because he would be without his abilities and would die from the virus anyhow.

++ "FLYING MAN!!" Hee! Matt's reaction was hilarious though I would've loved to see Hiro's reaction to Matt since he knew him only from the AU future.

++ Was I the only one that was all "OMG NO AHHH NO!!" when Adam dropped the virus? Then it went to black screen! NO! You don't DO THAT when I'm on edge with this show.

++ Poor Monica, after all her abilities and learning and such she had to be stuck in a perdicament like that. Though nice symbolism and connection between her, Saint Joan and Joan of Arc via the burning building. Also Niki KICKING ASS AND TAKING NAMES! HELLS YEAH! Sorry, but I love Niki and I'm saddened that she had to go like that if she's dead but uh-huh, girl plays dirty. Yay for saving Monica and doing the heroic thing.

++ The filming techniques and angles in this episode was fantastic. I love it when they do effects like they did in "Cautionary Tales" and in this one. The shots, the frames and focusing...wow. Brilliant.

++ HRG "making the deal" had me thinking he was "selling his soul" to the "crossroads demon" or the Devil, a.k.a. Bob Bishop, because fandom crossovers are love. The same with HRG playing with the ball in his cell reminded me of Kara playing with the Pyramid ball when she was in the brig.

++ Let me get this out because I know the whole fandom is going on about this: OMGWTF WHY NATHAN, WHY!?!? SERIOUSLY SHOW, WHY?!?! *ahem* Okay, now that's out of my system, I was shocked I tell you. And morbidmuse, you're going to be going off about this because for the love of Nathan/Niki is seems quite symbolic that they suffered the same fate this episode together, doing the most heroic deeds. Nathan trying to save the world and punish those that placed those burdens on their shoulders, Niki to protect her son and save her family at whatever cost despite not having superstrength. Still, the assassination of Nathan was very symbolic as well. My God, this show brings it all in, doesn't it?

++ "Trust issues" Oh, Sylar, that is clearly an understatement. Heroes is practically built on trust issues.

++ Matt versus Peter = double the mind-whammy, triple the action!!

++ Adam being buried alive. As mean and cold that move was by Hiro, that was hardcore and again, the symbolism isn't lost on me. When the box closes on Adam, another is opened by the assassination of Nathan Petrelli. I have my theories on that, but that'll be for another time.

++ West goes bye-bye. Mr. Muggles was hilarious turning away, sad as it was, and HRG's return was like whoa if bittersweet and sad as well.

++ Okay, I like Elle. A lot. Awww, she seemed so pleased with herself by saving other people's lives and she better too, she saved Mohinder and Molly for goodness sakes, which is like a bonus on her part. Now what will happen between her and Bob? Will she go with him or against? I would LOVE to see her team up with Maya and Mohinder, now that would be HOT. Hee.

++ The ending montage with Nathan's speech was a sweet touch; mirroring the montage that happened in the premiere episode. Of course, Nathan was the one that said "previously on Heroes" which I guess was omnious, wasn't it?

++ SYLAR'S BACK BITCHES, complete with TKing and pure evilness, with the Volume Three title card of "Villains" Appropriate, especially since we have Sylar shooting up the Mohinder/Claire blood cure in an alleyway. Druggie!Sylar.

++ OH. MY. GOD. Why does this have to be the finale, why why why?

Overall: Reunions abound! I don't know about anyone else, but I absolutely LOVED this episode. Like whoa. Perfect conlcusion to the generations storyline, even if it seemed rushed to fit it all into these remaining episodes due to the strike, we did get our answers and surprisingly revelations, and shocking discoveries and the deaths of our two precious heroes. At first I thought that Kring was going to let the new characters go, but this was far more shocking even though I knew one was inevitable. The other, being Nathan's, which wasn't what I expected at all. Dude, I totally thought that Matt/Nathan/Peter was going to be the new Dream Team of Volume Three. Who knows? They might still be, but in a different form, or the other characters may join in. Just, GAH!

I'm still processing many thoughts and reactions, it hasn't really sunk in yet so I may have more thoughts and theories and speculations. I'm just....I felt like I've been mindfrakked and turned upside down and inside out and I LOVED IT.

Volume Three to commence in 2008? Well, depends on the results on the writer's strike. It seems there seems to be people that is cynical over this season, and I know that fandom has been having the same feelings concerning those things too, but honestly I liked this season flaws aside (which Kring promises to fix). This first half is over, the second to return with new themes and more interesting things to consider, and once this strike is over, and please let that be soon, I for one cannot wait to see what's next.
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Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on December 4th, 2007 07:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that immediately and read about someone doing the comparisons in their review so, I really do like that kind of symbolism in my shows. Though believe me, I would've been slow too because my brain was nearly fried from last night's episode. Still is, actually. Heh.
Gabysquaringkarma on December 4th, 2007 06:55 pm (UTC)
They probably said 2008 to cover their asses. It could be January. It could September or any other month in 2008. They really doubt it'll be a year plus.

I enjoy your thoughts, but don't have anything else to add, heh.
Renéerogueslayer452 on December 4th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I figured that much. If the strike lasts longer than that then it's REALLY going to be a problem.

Heh don't worry, I'm still recollecting my thoughts and probably will have more to say on the episode and the overall season in general. :)
(Anonymous) on December 4th, 2007 09:09 pm (UTC)
claires blood
will all the people cured by claire's blood develop regenerative characteristics in their blood? If so will Nathan be cured by Adams regenerating?
Renée: Ruby. Deep-fried crack.rogueslayer452 on December 4th, 2007 09:28 pm (UTC)
Re: claires blood
It's plausible, they did leave the door open for the possibility and we could fanwank this from now until the cows come home. Which is why I don't believe that Nathan is actually dead, just shot in the chest and Lord knows we've seen this happen multiple times in Heroes. Plus we've seen the results from Adam's blood plus Claire's blood, so yeah it is possible.
amanda: [heroes] nathan/niki: morally colorfulmorbidmuse on December 5th, 2007 06:48 am (UTC)
AHAHA! You totally did call my complaints! I feel... oddly honored that you know me that well. :D Even if the episode tore my heart out by killing off Nathan AND Niki (at least temporarily), I love how transparent I am. I didn't get that meta-y in my reaction post. The pain was still too raw. But it is so true. They both die as a sacrifice, knowing the inherent dangers but choosing to go ahead anyway. Niki knew she was powerless and that the building was obviously burning, but she did what she had to. Nathan's known all about the evils of The Company, but he wanted to help the only way he knew how. Man, they are so perfect together. I call them my "morally colorful" ship because of the range of morals they have and how perfectly their spectrum fits one another. They've both had their little... moral bumps. But here both are at that same sacrificing point and they both paid for it. *sigh* Could they be any more destined for each other?

I have to agree with your Bennet section. Claire was being idealist, and I get how she could think that would maybe work in her grief, but it wasn't the best idea this show has displayed. And bye-bye, West! *cackle* I'm pretty interested in seeing what happens with HRG in the next volume. :D

I think this was my favorite Mohinder episode ever. He was so awesome.

That is a really cute way to think of Molly!

Sylar was amazing in this episode. Absolutely amazing.

I really liked Elle and Bob in this episode too. I mean, I didn't start off not liking Elle, but I like them more with each episode. Which is a nice thing.

Matt was pretty awesome in this episode too. That moment where Matt, Nathan, and Hiro first intersect was really funny. It reminded me of season one, when Nathan, Simone, Issac, Hiro and Ando all meet in the loft. :D

Way cool stuff in the "Sins of Older Generations" section! I have nothing intelligent to add right now. But I think you are probably on the right track and I look forward to seeing you and the show explore this more. :D

Mohinder protecting Molly was the best. Even though Matt wasn't with Mohinder OR Molly at all in this episode, those two are amazing together. They make me feel as warm inside. I definitely think the apron switch off is realistic.

It's like she knows that she cannot have both her sons live, because obviously their brotherly connection and love will create goodness in the world. So basically one must die or be sacrificed. Which adds to the most screwed up dysfunctional family they are.
SO TRUE! Ah, my love for the Petrellis. It is boundless. (And must continue to remain so, unhindered by any unforeseen deaths, okay, show???)

I don't really ship Mylar but holy crap. The chemistry was awesome. Those scenes were amazing. And having Sylar reach Mohinder felt oddly like coming home. Like I had been really waiting for a long time and he almost belonged there. I know it has been his mission this season, but it was more than that. Like it was natural or something.

Matt's reaction was hilarious though I would've loved to see Hiro's reaction to Matt since he knew him only from the AU future.
OMG, SO TRUE! I didn't even think about that. You are a genius! That would have been interesting.

Already mentioned my little shout-out on the top. :D

Dude, Heroes so is based on trust issues. Absolutely.

Nathan was the one that said "previously on Heroes" which I guess was omnious, wasn't it?
That's sad to think about. :(

The ending ("Druggie!Sylar" lol, I thought the same thing) was perfect.

I still can't believe I was spoiled for Nathan's death. :( That said, I still don't think I believe it. Maybe Matt/Nathan/Peter can still be a Dream Team of the future? Or, it could be the dream villain team of Sylar/Adam/evil!Peter? That's what I'm pushing for. Dudes would be absolutely unstoppable. But of course, Nathan and Matt and Mohinder and Niki and Hiro and Claire would try. And then Peter would eventually come to his senses based on his love for Nathan and Claire. (Hey, if I'm being delusional, I may as well go all out.)

I'll agree with that. I definitely want to see how volume three opens.
Renée: Mohinder. Science.rogueslayer452 on December 5th, 2007 09:57 pm (UTC)
Hee. You should be! Also, I do love the idea of Nathan/Niki because they do fit so perfectly together, for all the reasons you stated before.

They both die as a sacrifice, knowing the inherent dangers but choosing to go ahead anyway. Niki knew she was powerless and that the building was obviously burning, but she did what she had to. Nathan's known all about the evils of The Company, but he wanted to help the only way he knew how

Precisely, they did what they knew they had to do despite the consequences that may occur. Obviously the outcome for Nathan was more raw and dramatic and who would've thought that would ever happen in the middle of a public press conference. But they knew the risks, and their sacrifices was well worth it, even if I don't want them to remain like that (please please Kring, bring them back for Vol.3 though reading fan's reactions of course he'll have to, heh) I also see Niki's heroic action as going out in a "blaze of glory", much like Kara Thrace in BSG...and then she'll come back, just like Kara did. At least, those are my hopes. It's all in the air right now, and I'm glad that this episode was conclusive but had a cliffhanger that's having EVERYONE raging about. Literally.

Mohinder is love. I love him, his relationship with Molly and how protective he is of her. Awww, so sweet. Matt should've been there with them, but hopefully the show will continue with the "my two dads" streak because honestly, how adorable are they?

Mylar. Oh, the Mylar. So awesome, so amazing. After all this time of fans wanting a Mohinder/Sylar reunion we FINALLY got one, and it was absolutely perfect. Chemistry, those two have it, and they were on FIRE! And I swear, they deliberately did the injection strap as a fan shoutout of innuendo (bondage much? Hee.) Just the way Mohinder held it and looked at Sylar, and how he just stuck the needle into his arm without taking his eyes off of him. OH MAN I LOVE THIS SHOW.

OMG, SO TRUE! I didn't even think about that. You are a genius! That would have been interesting.

Hee! It would've been an interesting interaction, wouldn't it? Hiro would be all "oh no, you're not going to beat me up are you?" while Matt would be frowning in utter confusion going, "why would I beat you up?" and Hiro would be all "I went to future, you were bad guy and you beat up my face" Matt would just be staring and trying to piece it all together. *cackles at the thought* They should TOTALLY do this scene, and while they're at it do more M3 scenes together. Hell, an entire EPISODE dedicated to that little family if you please.

Trust issues is basically the understatement of the year, like whoa. That or daddy/mommy/parent/whatever issues. Everyone has issues, or complexes that are dangerous. Heh.

Hey, I'm all for being delusional at this point. I would've loved a Justice League team or something, although that's not what Heroes was originally going for, like all the Specials ganging up together to defeat the evil of the world. But judging from the Company and how they SO are like the Mafia in a way, the only other alternative is to step in and take over and work together instead of tearing it down and moving on.

I hope that, with Kring's promises, Vol.3 will kick ass. And Sylar's comment -- hee, with the Popeye!spinach via TK -- I'm REALLY anticipating it. :D
amanda: [heroes] niki/nathan lustmorbidmuse on December 6th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC)
I don't think I realized how long my comment was before you replied to it. Sorry!

How could you not love Nathan/Niki? They are amazing together. (And, OMG, so hot.) They should definitely be the future of the show. 5YG had Niki with the WRONG Petrelli. Everyone knows Peter is supposed to be with Claire.

But they knew the risks, and their sacrifices was well worth it, even if I don't want them to remain like that
Exactly. I REALLY hope that Niki comes back, but there is no way that her death wouldn't be worth it. And Nathan... oh, Nathan. ♥

I swear, they deliberately did the injection strap as a fan shoutout of innuendo
Dude, I believe it. :D These two can't get together without Mohinder violently injecting Sylar with needles of some kind.

Yeah, and Matt could totally read Hiro's mind and hear about his crazy bad ways in the future. Oh dear.

I miss the M3 stuff. There was hardly anytime with the three of them actually together. :(

It is SO true. Have you seen this macro before?

That would be really cool. I say we live in our delusional versions of Heroes. At least for a little while. *snuggles with my delusional version of Heroes*

I didn't even notice that it was a spinach can the first time. That's so funny. Oh, Kring. You crack me up. Even in episodes when you kill my soul favorite character and OTP of the moment. (Not that I'm still bitter or anything.)
Renée: Mohinder/Molly. Love.rogueslayer452 on December 7th, 2007 04:59 am (UTC)
Oh it's fine, really! I like long comments, and you had a lot of interesting things to say and bring up and I appreciate that. :D

I wonder if there was to be an AU of the 5YG 'verse, different from the one we'd seen. Like say, if Niki had come into contact with Nathan before Sylar had gotten to him or something, saved his life or maybe stopped him from possibly betraying his own people. It's a thought, and since the timelines are very confusing I think it could work. Although I do see some parallels between what's happening currently and the 5YG future, subtle but still there regardless.

Mohinder has this fetish with needles. It's like, his kink or something. Yay for Mohinjections! :D

I have a feeling that it was the implications of the M3 family; like they've established Mohinder and Matt are living together and sharing responibility for raising this little girl, and we've had them having their "old married couple" bickerings. I just wished there was more scenes with seeing them actually living together. I think we need a petition or send letters to Kring demanding more M3 scenes in Vol.3.

That macro is SO awesome and very true. Issues? Heroes has them.

The finale really brought a lot of things to the table, like the slashing, the innuendos, the clean-cut dialogue and pop culture references. Now that's a finale for you.
amanda: [heroes] save Nathan; save the showmorbidmuse on December 9th, 2007 04:25 am (UTC)
Aw, you're so sweet to me. ♥

You had me at "AU of the 5YG 'verse". I'm a sucker for both AUs and all things 5YG. (I'm currently trying to figure out what the hell happened to Meredith in this verse. I know there are way more important characters to the show that they ignored - Heidi, Audrey, Sandra, and those are just the females - but I'm sort of really interested in Meredith. Did she stay under the radar? Become a revolutionary with the freedom movement we heard that Peter and Niki used to be part of? Did she try to blackmail Nathan again when she realized how powerful he was getting? Was it Nathan at that point, or already Sylar? WHAT HAPPENED?) Man, I really like your 5YG AU. *sigh*

Although I do see some parallels between what's happening currently and the 5YG future, subtle but still there regardless.
I know! Isn't it awesome how the parallels still keep creeping in?

Mohinder definitely has a needle kink. It's sort of hot.

Well, Kring does seem to take fan opinions very seriously. Maybe a little too seriously sometimes, but that is a whole different issue. Still, I want some more M3 time!

I KNOW! I love it. This fandom has such great macros. The amazing macros and icons are like the only good thing to come of the Nathan death from 2x11.
Renéerogueslayer452 on December 9th, 2007 10:59 am (UTC)
Y'know, I've been wondering the same thing. Where IS Meredith? They left her storyline wide open so there's possibilities there, and not just in the current timeline but in the 5YG one too. I know they had her as some sort of closure for Claire, seeking out her birth parents and all, but what we've learned in this show is that everyone and everything is connected somehow. I have these wild theories that she was probably part of the Company, or was assigned by the Company or something else. I don't know, but it's very interesting. I have a feeling she's in hiding rather than going away for a while, like she said to Claire. I'm thinking that perhaps knowing that Claire was alive she needed to get away, that's why she called Nathan for the money so she could because the Company would be looking for her. I doubt they'll revisit her in the future, but there's plenty things to speculate about.

I'm just hoping that Kring doesn't break M3 up because, honestly, even those who disliked some S2 storylines thought they were adorable. So yeah, fandom has responded well to that and hopefully it'll continue.
amanda: [heroes] M3 familymorbidmuse on December 10th, 2007 03:36 am (UTC)
I have these wild theories that she was probably part of the Company, or was assigned by the Company
Really? That's awesome because that is so the opposite of how I always pictured her. If the show ever did revisit her (which would be awesome), then it is likely it would be through the Company. But that is just not how I saw her at all. I don't know why. I guess I don't see her forgiving the Company for what happened 14 years ago? Although knowing that canon says they were after her, I guess it makes sense that they could get to her and force a deal.

I really wanted to read some 5YG Meredith today, although I sadly do not think any actually exists. But I googled it to try and I got hits saying that Peter probably met Meredith in 5YG because it looks like he is using fire against Sylar at the end. And I'm so down for that. Meredith and Peter could meet in 5YG 'verse and at first not get the connection. Then get it but the world is fucked anyway and so not really care. I could see her doing mostly the hiding thing but she'd be targeted too (she has in the past) and maybe getting caught up in it all. I would so ship 5YG!Peter/5YG!Meredith. Mmmmmm, it'd be hot. And would free Niki to be with Nathan!

Oh dear, I think I just created a pairing based on like 5 seconds of an AU episode where only one of the characters is present. :/

I don't think I've heard a single compliant against M3 ever. Everyone seems to be pretty unified on their awesomeness. I actually just had myself a bit of an M3 day. Read some fic, watched vids, generally enjoyed myself. They are just so amazing.
jirucloud on December 5th, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC)
Oh man... seriously with all those out-of-character visitors to Claire I was like 'isn't that change-y girl dead??' lol... I'm surprised the Company would still trust him after all this though, I guess they figure they have a good enough reward system for him?

I know! Dammit Mohinder! How did you get so much more awesome??? gah! I really liked his 'I don't know what he's told you, but he's not my friend... he's a monster!!' ^.^ Also that he lunged for Molly as soon as things turned awry... nice work Mohinder! ^.^

aww! I didn't really like her at first, *has stones thrown at her* but I'm liking her character and can see where she fits in a lot more as time goes on... plus the cuteness factor... and the fact that she is the cause of M3? maybe? lol... at least they explained why there was a babysitter and not Matt, lol

Lol! I know! Mohinder was all 'what? the same strand?' and I was like *unshocked* yeah...? WE'VE ALL KNOWN MOHINDER!!! lol. Oh man... he got a bit scared too for a moment! Oh man... Sylar, wtf? Why aren't you here more??? tee! I wonder what his new plans will be with the blood? I hope its not something gay like he's gonna go resurrect evil villains of time or something with it, lol

Wah!!! No more flying man! T.T I wonder if Hiro will cry? lol... and he had just gotten his hot hair back too >.> *sighs* Maybe Peter will keep him in storage and steal some of his niece's blood for a good cause? ^.^

lol, Mama Petrelli... I guess you can't really change... I'm glad they pointed that out to you ^.^

Oh! I think he buried him in the grave of his father... you know, because Adam put Kaito there, so now he will suffer the same fate? I think its a great death because no one will be looking for him there, he doesn't have any super-strength powers to free himself, and he'll eventually have to die (suffocation, starvation?) without him being dead and lying around for Sylar and the magical blood to revive him, right?

I guess everything fit together so well in her mind when HRG said it outloud, like every doubt she had just pushed to the side of her mind was suddenly spoken aloud and confirmed by an eye witness... I dislike Bob more and more as time goes by, lol...

Lol, I wonder who the babysitter was? Also, how much did we all see that no matter who confronted Peter that it would only be Nathan that would stop him? They should've just cut to the chase... its a good thing everything was so well planned out, lol.

Sometimes it seems to me that Micah was just not meant to have a family... I hope that he is still able to be the happy kid despite all thats going on...

My favourite part of all of that was when Molly looked at her and was like 'He's not anywhere' ;.; What a cute scene!!! I'd say they were foreshadowing some M4 but I just don't know if Maya's gullibility would make her a good parent just yet in her life, you know? hmm...

I definitely think that this is the new Generation... and maybe Mohinder will be the leader, the new Adam in a sense (except for the goodness, lol)... also, I really enjoyed this episode despite being skeptical about it... I was surprised at how well Kring wrapped it all up too... and when they started Villains at the end I was like 'what??? another episode now?? yay!!!' but then it wasnt' T.T Kring, why??? I did like that they showed him being able to use telekinesis again though ^.^

Also... why did the Company hide the shanti virus instead of destroying it like Peter did? I mean... it was in a container that could fit in your palm! >.> Also... was there a hamburger as one of the items in the cases? I know there was a set of three cards >.> wtf? lol
Renée: Mohinder. Science.rogueslayer452 on December 5th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking the Company is going to be keeping tight strings on HRG, and if he steps over the line his family's safety will be in danger from that deal he set.

Mohinder is love, absolutely pure love. This episode really shows this that, even with a powerless serial killer who can still overpower him Mohinder still thinks of others first, and with a cunning plan to boot. I liked Molly from the moment she appeared in the series from the beginning, but I think I love her more now because of the M3 situation and the relationship between her and Mohinder. Seriously, how can you not turn into goo after watching them together?

Obviously Sylar had the virus, but there are multiple strands that the Company had been testing on, so honestly it wasn't an unsurprising thing when it was revealed which strand he was infected with. But perhaps Mohinder could've used that as a way of stalling for time, which is what he was doing in the first place by going to the lab.

It would seem very sadistic and badass for Hiro to bury Adam alive inside his father's coffin, though honestly I don't think that's what happened. Hiro honors his father too much to have his body be buried for eternity with his murderer. He just teleported him into a random coffin, possibly with a rotting dead body inside already. Still damn, that was cold of him to do. But I don't think Adam would die straight away....he's survived plenty of things to last four hundred years (unless he pulls a Kill Bill act and punches his way through the coffin, which I would be surprised if that happened).

I don't think Sylar's going to resurrect other evil members of specials. He hardly knows anyone else, let alone Adam, to do that with and besides, he prefers working alone. But since the next volume is going to be the Rise of the Villains, I can't wait to see who is going to turn out to be the villain of the Heroes saga *cough*ANGELA PETRELLI*cough*

It could be foreshadowing a M4 family, or perhaps an M6 if Micah and Monica tagged along since they both know Mohinder and can help the cause of saving the world. But I doubt this would actually happen, it's a neat idea to consider though.

I love the whole generations thing; one generation did wrongdoings and now the newer generation has to pay the consequences and change those past sins of their parents, make things right again. I definitely think Mohinder would be the ringleader, since he seems to have a connection with nearly all the characters in this show alone and his moral compass is in a good place in case something goes wrong. The ending was definitely wrapped up, and I'm laughing that people are all pissed based on what happened to Nathan and Niki, moreso with Nathan. I liked it, it felt like a finale without it actually being a true finale, just a conclusion to this volume which will continue into the next one. Which is awesome.

Interesting question regarding the Company. I'm thinking that they didn't know how to destroy it, or had other plans to do something with it. They've been experimenting with the virus for some time now and thought that perhaps some day they would need use it. For whatever reason, I don't know. Hell, why does the Company do anything nowadays? Filled with secrets.

There was a deck of cards, a hamburger, a brain....super sekrit experiments volt, let me show you it! XD
jirucloud on December 7th, 2007 08:03 am (UTC)
True... it really is a show of how dangerous feelings can be when you're dealing with manipulators...

I know!!! We definitely need some more M3, Hindi lullabies and Indian cooking and Matt's terrible cooking too ^.^ I missed the first episode she was in so I kind of wandered in like 'who now?' lol... Mohinder!hugs!!! tee!

Yeah, I was pretty surprised that they were there and that there were cameras there... I wonder why the company has constant video surveillance there when no one's there anymore... maybe a foreshadowing?

true... but it was definitely in the same graveyard... I wonder if he'll get out somehow... I just don't know anyone who would really put those together as where Adam would be, and what would he do with the virus destroyed now anyways? It would have to be a whole new way to kill the universe... maybe in a new season?

ANGELA PETRELLI? really? You think so? hmm... I guess you're right about Sylar's tendencies... though I wish Maya would play a big role in whatever his story turns out to be...

Lol... I never really thought about just how many M names there are in this show!

I'm more sad about Nathan, but it was necessary since they never really seemed to be able to develop him into a true star of the show... It was a very satisfying ending though ^.^

lol! I hope to learn a lot about their secrets in vol. 3... it should be very interesting, like how they all found each other... I wonder if Dr. Suresh (Sr?) knew anything about them or perhaps got them together in some way... I'm really missing the India-flashbacks...

Lol! How weird! But, you saw the hamburger too, right?? XD
Renée: Mohinder. Hot in Haiti.rogueslayer452 on December 7th, 2007 08:48 am (UTC)
We definitely do need more M3. More M3 in Vol.3 (hee!) because how can you resist such adorableness of that family? Seriously. Also I'm pining for more of Mohinder speaking in another language or traveling the world to exotic places and whatnot, just giving him something to become more involved in the bigger plots like he was this season.

You're right, this show has a pattern of matches first-letters in names. XD

Well, if you remember back when Bob gave Mohinder the lab they said it was for his best interest that he was closely supervised in case he needed anything, though I sort of suspected it was to make sure he wasn't doing anything without their knoweldge and whatnot (which sort of makes me wonder if Mohinder knew the risks when he was looking for the painting way back in the beginning of this season). Though even Elle was surprised that Bob had a survillence camera on Mohinder's lab, so who knows? The Company doesn't seem very good at keeping their security tight though. I mean, Sylar escaped their clutches without them knowing.

I have a feeling that Adam will return, and probably with a whole new obligation or plan to get his revenge.

Yep, Angela Petrelli. She's not evil like Sylar, but she has a darker shade of grayness to her that's not all trustworthy and is probably hiding something even more that we don't know about. About Sylar and Maya, I'm thinking Maya has more reason to strike against Sylar if they ever cross paths again. Though I do wonder what'll happen to Maya now, since she still needs to get control over her abilities, and Mohinder seems to want to help her out despite the strange circumstance of meeting her via Sylar. That's our boy, always helping strangers whenever and however he can.

It seemed abrupt of an ending, but overall I liked it. It was conclusive to some of what was happening in this volume, but left it all open for speculation and making you wanting more. Which I like.

I'm wondering the same thing too about Mohinder's father, Chandra, and if he knew about the Company or at least the original members. I mean, if they didn't how else would they have known if Shanti had the virus, thus acquiring the name the Shanti Virus? I mean sure, the Company has tabs on keeping track of things and especially of the Suresh family had the connections they had, though I'm still trying to figure it all out by them insisting Mohinder to join their little circle. I mean, everyone's connected and gathered for a reason on this show, so who knows.
jirucloud on December 5th, 2007 12:47 pm (UTC)

tee! they are so cute!!! Hopefully M3 will get back together soon... but at least now Molly has the good cook with her ^.^

tee! The apron was so cute! ^.^ "Breakfast?" note to Mohinder: lest we forget the death!tea incident? lol

lol! He wasn't used to people other than him beating him! lol

AHAHAHA!!!! AND THEN THE CODE OF SILENCE!!!! ahahaha! Poor Nathan! He looked so exhausted, too!!!!

because obviously their brotherly connection and love will create goodness in the world so true!!! lol! I don't remember much about the whole suicide thing... but given Heroes it was either murder or he's not actually dead, lol

GUN BEATS KNIFE!!! hahaha! I loved that expression!!!! *still laughing about it*

lol... I was so thankfully surprised that he wasn't killed off in this ep! He's always seeing his life flash before his eyes... I wonder if he's gotten bored of the reel, lol

That was absolutely ridiculous! I was like DAMN! Poor Maya...

lol... OF COURSE 'FLYING MAN'!!! Its been so long! I just wish he had done the hand motions 'swoosh!' ^.^

Hahaha! When I saw that I was like 'well played, Kring... well play--- WHAT THE FUCK? WE STILL HAVE 20 MINUTES???' I seriously thought that would be the cliffhanger!

I just kept thinking 'Damn these are some hardcore criminals!' like... they stole f-ing comic books! I was totally not expecting them to light her and an abandoned building on fire with all that gasoline! ftw??? Also, I totally didn't catch the burning on the stake thing when I was watching it, thanks for pointing that out ^.^

The filming is always nice on this show ^.^ I think I take it for granted, lol...

NATHAN NO!!! I really think that it was because they've gotten too many characters lately, you know? And-- as sad as this, Nathan just isn't a major player... he steps in and helps a lot and says thoughtful things, but his power is rarely used except for waffles and carrying Matt and he seems to be included as a sidenote... I hope he comes back with a bigger role ^.^

I like how it also showed someone who's all about trusting everyone... and how that ends up with death, lol. Oh Maya...

I think one of the writers just really likes Mr. Muggles, lol! Has he become a character this season or what???

It seems like even though she seriously is angry at her dad and is thinking he was always against her and picking that up, she still has this overwhelming desire to gain his love... its really sad, but it was so cute how Mohinder was all 'no~ be proud! You did well!' *pets* What a great father!!!!

Oh! He was!!! I was wondering where my Mohinder was at! Oh how ominous as always, Heroes...

WOOHOO!!! I'm so glad!!! I didn't realize how much I missed him!

GAH!!! I KNOW!!! 2008 FTW??? T.T at least Mohinder is safe at the moment, unlike last midseason finale... But omg! I heard that the strike might go on til MARCH!!! Have you heard about it??? T.T

Oh man I hope Nathan returns! First Kaito and now this? And wheres my Haitian at???? T.T Haitian needs to be a front character Kring! Please?

Also... I still, for the record, don't think that the beautiful love story of Hiro and Yaeko was stupid or a mistake... West and Claire... yes. lol

What will we do with all our shows off for so long?? T.T Theories time? ^.^
Renée: GG. Blair. Squee!rogueslayer452 on December 5th, 2007 08:50 pm (UTC)
All Mohinder scenes with Molly just made me beam, even if they were in danger and I was sitting on pins and needles anticipating what would happen next. It's the Apron O'Love! Bwaha! I thank the props people for adding that in, such an awesome thing to do. Since we know that Mohinder can cook and all (there BETTER be a deleted scene with this dammit, I want an M3 household scene where Mohinder cooks with the freaking apron on!)

I definitely think that Papa Petrelli was murdered, or driven to suicide based on what they did. It makes sense in context of everything that family has been involved with. I still want to know his power though, along with Angela's. Or Kaito's, if he did have a power.

I liked that once Maya mentioned Sylar being without abilities that Mohinder saw this as his chance of defeating him once and for all...until the "gun versus knife" exchange took place. Oh man, that was sweet, in a frightening sort of way. Mohinder is beating death in this show by slim chance, and I am VERY thankful for that. Because we love Mohinder. A show without Mohinder would be awful.

Honestly? I don't think they actually have an extended cast, it's no bigger than last season. Nathan may not have an effective ability but he IS a major player because he's a Petrelli, and it seems the Petrelli legacy lives due to generations of lies, deceit and the trail of bad luck that follows their dysfunctionally bred family of theirs. Also, Nathan ia a fan favorite character, and having that ending really set fandom on a raging rampage of "OMG WTF SHOW?" Which I find hilarious because really, nobody who seems dead on Heroes is REALLY dead. Niki was trapped but could've gotten out, Nathan was shot twice but could still survive. I'm hoping for the best with this for Vol.3 *crosses fingers*

Oh, I know. Mohinder complimenting Elle was really sweet, and his smile of gratitude made her smile as well. I don't think she's ever had something like that, judging from her relationship from her father and all. So it's nice that Mohinder provided that to her, and HRG for telling her the truth.

I know! It's such a long wait, and MARCH?! Man...hopefully it doesn't result to that.

Eh, Kring said in an interview that the whole lovestory/ancient Japan was supposed to have been only three episodes but it was extended and edited out in certain places so it seemed like it went on longer, which is probably why everyone was so pissed that "okay, we're in ancient Japan...doing what we've already seen before" So I think that was the general complaint. But yes, Claire/West = nonono.

Theories time? Oh yes, there will be theories. Guarantee it. :D
jirucloud on December 7th, 2007 08:43 am (UTC)
tee!!! That would be so cute! tee! I wonder what he would make? ^.^

We already know Kaito's power was being awesome, lol. They need more of young!Kaito too ^.^

lol! the face-change was awesome! Seriously! lol... I was actually wondering to myself about the two deaths before the ep and was like 'would I watch this show if Mohinder were killed off????' T.T I'm glad he's too important to die *knocks on wood*

Hmm... I definitely think there are major players and then ones that are important but easier to kill off? Kind of like Simone and her father from S1... important, but more likely to die... And yes, no one ever really dies Kaito? Come back? I think that the next volume will be really cool too ^.^

tee! Once again, Mohinder shows how great of a father he is ^.^

MARCH IS OF THE DEVIL! T.T I really hope we don't have to wait that long T.T

Lol, I was glad that there was some... umm... traditional love? And Hiro in love was just way too cute! I wish it could've worked out T.T West... how lame it was that he ended up with no backplot/ reason/ redeeming factor/ ulterior motives... lol

Yay!! If its until March... You might just have to post them all the time until then ^.^
Renée: Mohinder. Hot in Haiti.rogueslayer452 on December 7th, 2007 09:04 am (UTC)
I was worried about who was to die too. In fact, whenever there's a warning about a character death I get nervous because honestly, I do like all the characters on this show sans a few from this season *cough*WEST*cough*, so taking a Death Toll isn't something I look forward to. But some deaths will be inevitable, some will be surprising or possibly even necessary. But Mohinder is an important asset to the show and it just would NOT be the same without him. *knocks on wood with you*

Eh, Simone and her father weren't around long enough or part of the bigger storylines to really bond with the audience. They were important to the overall S1 plot and part of S2 (since Charles was of the Older Generation), but not of the main characters per se. *shrugs*

Mohinder certainly IS the World's Greatest Dad. Hee!

From the most recent news concerning the strike that I've heard is that the negotiations are taking way, nothing has been settled yet but at least the talks are moving forward in progress to come to a common ground on both sides. If this is true, it may be earlier than March, so yay! *crosses fingers*