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06 April 2008 @ 03:16 pm
Unpopular Fannish Opinions, Part 1 (General)  
In the midst of everyone doing that meme, I created my own list. Actually I've been meaning to do a compiled unpopular opinions list for a long while, I just never had the guts to post them before. But I figured it's now or never, and I'd rather let my opinions concerning fandom known instead of staying silent. I've divided my lists, this one is for general fandom while the other, which I'll post some time later during the week, is for specific fandoms.

01. RPS is irksome to me. I had a conversation about why I liked reading say, slash pairings but not RPS, and mainly I feel like I'm intruding and crossing that line we're not supposed to cross. These are actors who are real individuals, not fictional characters which can be written any which-way. It's sort of like someone you know writing you into a RPS fic. It's creepifying to think about, let alone read about. I get wanting to do "what ifs" for fictional characters and I don't mind slash/het/incest/etc., but...real life actors? Not my thing, sorry. That is uncharted territory I am not touching with a ten-foot pole.

02. Fandom pisses me off. More often than I'd like it to, I’m afraid. Ranging from all the batshit crazies to the entitlement bitches and rapid fangirls who are a little too invested in their obsession of whatever fandom or actor/celebrity who can't differentiate between fantasy (the character) and reality (the actor), that they forget to act like decent human beings. Moreover are those people who personally attack actors or celebrities over something incredibly petty and ridiculous. It makes the rest of us SANE fans look bad and sometimes I am ashamed to even associate myself with fandom due to the crazyass shit that happens, online and off. I try not to even get involved in that and stay inside my little bubble of friends where I can be happy and enjoy my shows for what they are, but sometimes I seriously want to smash some fans heads into a brick wall for the insanity and immaturity they bring.

03. I watch my shows for the entertainment value, not to nitpick at the political incorrectness and whatnot. I love my shows for what they are, nothing more and nothing less. I'm not going to deny that there are underlining issues presented in everything we see in the media, whether it be television or movies, but art imitates life. Could things be portrayed better in the media? Sure, but I'm not about to get butthurt over every little thing.

04. Iconmakers, DON'T link your advertised icons to your community that is members only and you have to be ACCEPTED into that community before taking the icons. I get the security thing, but it's really fucking annoying, especially if I do like your icons. It makes me not want to take them.

05. Fanfiction. I read a fair amount of it from time to time, though some authors annoy me when they fail to use proper characterization or create canonical connections and do further research in going deeper than what's on the surface, even if the story itself is engaging. I am also very picky; I tend to only read fics that are based in a canonical timeline and if the characters are realistically portrayed. I don't mind AUs or crack!fics, but only if it's written extremely well.

06. Dear Fandom, you are not getting "personally attacked" just because LiveJournal decides to pull up new security policies. This kind of thing happens every single year and every single time you overreact, as usual. Get over yourselves.

It's actually shorter since there isn't much I have to complain aside from the biggest few things that annoy me in general fandom, unlike my other list which should be interesting.
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glassnowdrop on April 6th, 2008 10:52 pm (UTC)
hah. i find all these opinions fair and just. I mostly agree with you - as far as i'm concerned, these aren't unpopular opinions to me!!!

especially 4, i never take icons if i have to sign up to see them. or i just take them from whereever i found them, suck as another persons userpics!
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 6th, 2008 11:02 pm (UTC)
Hee, well I figured some wouldn't be unpopular. But still, these are opinions I felt like I had to voice because in general, fandom sometimes isn't as fun as I'd like it to be because of these things.

Yeah, and if they want me to join I'll just join, take whatever they have and unjoin. Because honestly, it's stupid to make everyone join just to see your icons if it's going to be see everywhere anyway. XD
glassnowdrop on April 6th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
yeah some people, specifically on LJ can suck.

Angela: Xena_fin_burying weaponslivewithfreedom on April 6th, 2008 11:05 pm (UTC)
Haha, great list. You make some very good points.
I definitely agree with #1. That just crosses the line for me.
Spooner: Dexter -bw hands on face-spoonerknife on April 6th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
*mostly agrees with you.. especially #4*
nibor tnuaskyisfalling on April 6th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with these points. Especially #4. Gah. I hate having to join, wait, and end up having my time wasted because I realize the icons weren't worth it.
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Seriously. It's mainly to inflate their egos that so many people are joining their community for their icons, and that kind of attitude makes me NOT want to join their community, whether I like their icons or not.
Eden: Sam/Dean: I'll have to stick aroundoverstreets on April 7th, 2008 01:16 am (UTC)
OMG I agree with pretty much EVERYTHING you have here. Except that I adore AU fic, and sometimes I feel like finding a really unique RPS fic and changing "Jared" and "Jensen" to "Sam" and "Dean." But I rarely read RPS.

HAHAHA AT 6. FOR SERIOUS. I agree so much. People act like LJ kills their puppies for fun. Like... it's not that big of a deal.
himhilienhimhilien on April 7th, 2008 01:44 am (UTC)
1. I just started to RPS some people. >_> It's mostly in my head but it's still absolutely shocking to me because I swore I'd never do it. If I start talking about it with you and you feel uncomfortable, just tell me and I will stop immediately. Oh, and I give anyone I know permission to chew my head out if I start tinhatting.

2. Big word.

3. Are you my brain twin?

4. I don't mind so much if they lock it later on, like a week later, but I agree it is rather annoying.

5. Don't get me started on all of the Mohinder/Sylar fics I have to scroll past.

6. Ahahaha! Yeah, I was involved in that no comment, no post thing for 24 hours thing. I'm not ashamed to admit it. But it became more about me having enough self-control of not coming on this site.
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2008 02:35 am (UTC)
1. I don't mind if other people do, because there are a handful of people on my FList that are into RPS, and I don't mind joking about it from time to time (ex. "Jared and Jensen are SUCH boyfriends, lookit how they are with each other!"). I'm just not into it like other people are, like obsessive over it.

2. Wordy McWord-Word, yo. XD

3. Great minds think alike. ;)

4. Yeah, like an author who writes NC17 fics will leave it open in their community for all to read and comment on for a limited time and then lock it for security reasons. But to link directly to a locked entry and having to join JUST to see if the icons are worth it? No. It's the same with those who link it to THEIR journal and you have to mutually friend each other to see it -- annoying as fucking hell.

5. SERIOUSLY! I'm not even going to get into that either, because there are SO MANY things I can rant about the things Mylar fics fail at.

6. That makes sense, because LJ is very addictive like crack, sometimes you just need a break.
amanda: [actor] lickable jensenmorbidmuse on April 7th, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)
I totally see where you are coming from with these. Especially #4, which always pisses me off. And, yeah, for #6? People without fail overreact. Even when reactions are justified, they overreact to intense proportions.
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2008 02:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, I mean LJ does some pretty shitty things, I'm not going to lie about that. But for people to think that fandom is in danger? LOLWUT? That's just nonsensical thinking, even more with the mentality of "let's have a one day strike in thinking it'll actually do something effective!" Which, I get being frustrated with some changes or even wanting to do something about it, but those kinds of methods are taking things WAY too seriously, like whoa.
rawthorne on April 7th, 2008 12:05 pm (UTC)
I don't find these so outrageously unpopular as I was expecting. (What? I'm just coming from post_secret where the world is weird and mad.)

01. I think RPS is definitely not everyone's cup of tea. I read a post recently about how a preference for RPS shows a capacity to compartmentalize, but I think that's taking it too far. I think some people truly can't tell the difference between character/actor when they really start loving the former. For my part, I do read and write RPS and RPF but I'm kind of only using the names and some specs that are proper to the Real People in question. I also tend to write AUs so I'm kind of casting them as OCs with the same names in that their life stories are quite different.

For my part, I'm more horrified about badfic that is being hailed as good fic, and not the kind that has bad grammar. Just the ones that elevate horrible subjects like rape to something aww, sweet. *shudder*

02. Fandom gives me the same vibes, but then there's places like GAFF and f_w and they make it all better with the mocking. I say laugh rather than cry.

03. In light of the latest anti-Joss, anti-slash, anti-world rants that have been going on, I have to say a whole-hearted THANK YOU. I'm with you on that one. Art =/= life, not even if it's a documentary.

04. I never got that. Locked communities. Because people can still steal your icons from people who've taken them in the first place. Same thing goes for fic. If you don't want RL people to read it, don't link back to the comm in open posts. Make filters. Locking comms and asking people to friend you just comes across as a cheap attempt to boost up the friends count.
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC)
Hee, I've had a glimpse of post_secret and trust me, I understand. I just wanted to have my opinions known, whether popular or unpopular.

For my part, I'm more horrified about badfic that is being hailed as good fic, and not the kind that has bad grammar. Just the ones that elevate horrible subjects like rape to something aww, sweet. *shudder*

Dude, I know how you feel. Sometimes it's not even the subject matter but rather how OOC the characters are, it's like the author doesn't even get inside the character's head and whenever I'm reading a fic I'd like to think it was the actual character, not some watered-down fangirlish version of to only fulfill the needs of fantasizing or whatever. There are like only a few good authors I know that can actually do that without screwing of the entire fic. I've actually deleted some fics I saved because they were so awful. Oh fandom, why do you bring in the badfic, why?

I love F_W. They are hilarious with the snark and it keeps me up-to-date with all the stupid wank that's happening.
e.dalpaengi on April 8th, 2008 07:27 am (UTC)
I just want to say a few things, but firstly, thank you so much for stating your opinion. I know we aren't in all of the same fandoms, but the same words can be applied to my own in terms of feelings and attitudes especially this particular line:

Fandom pisses me off. More often than I'd like it to, I’m afraid. Ranging from all the batshit crazies to the entitlement bitches and rapid fangirls who are a little too invested in their obsession of whatever fandom or actor/celebrity who can't differentiate between fantasy (the character) and reality (the actor), that they forget to act like decent human beings.


I feel as though many times people begin to play these juvenile highschool games within their fandom and it becomes stifling for others in such a way as not to allow anyone the security to share their thoughts without feeling out of fear of being attacked or alienated. This is why some fandoms die or burn out. There are way too many intimidation tactics and extremely elitest attitudes involved (especially when it comes to BNF's in the communities),

not to mention the lines between reality and fantasy start to blurr for some people and they become too butthurt to take a step back and deal with matters intelligently and maturely. I applaud you for speaking on some issues that have been lingering in the back of my own mind and others as well.
Renée: Blair Waldorf.rogueslayer452 on April 8th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I actually think that issues is something many people in fandom feel deeply about but are afraid to admit in order to avoid being attacked or wanked upon. The matter of entitlement and drama that happens in any fandom is either blown way out of proportion or continues on and on that it's just tiring. I really wish people would speak up more and try to make fandom less of a problem concerning this issue alone (since not all my fandoms go to certain extreme like others do), but I understand the need to stay on the sidelines because we, the sane fans, want to stay inside our drama-free bubble. Y'know?

It's all very juvenile and stupid that it DOES feel like high school, where fandom is a clique and it's either you have to agree with everyone else or you get attacked. And most of the times these are ADULTS, and that makes me sad. It's like, everyone has differing opinions and thoughts and you may disagree but there's no reason to get heated over every little thing. Grow up.
bitterbird on April 9th, 2008 05:37 am (UTC)
these are awesome, I totally agree with quite a few of these :)
forwardish: Bitch plz Blairforwardish on April 10th, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
Number 4 x a zillion.