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17 October 2009 @ 12:42 pm
SPN: "I Believe The Children Are Our Future" Episode Review + Meta  
Firstly, thank you to all that wished me birthday wishes yesterday! You're all just so precious, I'm incredibly grateful to have such a lovable and caring f-list. ♥ Yes, I had a great day, despite starting that "time of the month" (just my luck, thank you mother nature!), and I'm continuing that celebration with other family members this evening plus more prezzies. So, a big thank you again. *hugs everyone*

Secondly, my review from Thursday's SPN episode, which I wrote partially yesterday but didn't finish because, well, birthday. Hello. ;p But here it is.


Supernatural 5.06 "I Believe The Children Are Our Future"

The boys investigate a series of strange occurrences which the victims are being attacked/killed by classic urban legends such itching powder making you scratch your brains out, electrocuted by a handshake buzzer, mixing pop rocks and soda, and so on. This trail leads the boys to a little boy who, unknowingly, makes these legends and tales come true if he believes or thinks of them as true. Soon they discover that he was born as a half-human, half-demon hybrid, and Castiel says that the boy must die due to his powerful nature as the embodiment of the Antichrist. Unfortunately this leads to a conflict of morality in the situation, and winds up having Castiel turning into a doll and a demon approaching the young lad, hoping to convert him to the demon side of the war. However, things take for an interesting turn when Sam starts explaining the truth to the little boy, and instead he banishes the demon from the house. The end leaves the Winchesters giving the boy making up his own mind what he wants to do, now understanding his true nature.

This episode was a homage to Good Omens, a cleverly constructed episode at that, and it also continues to go along with the theme of choices versus fate and how one can defeat the inevitable by creating their own destiny based on the nature of those choices and decisions.


Sam and Castiel: "I Can't Take That Chance"

I'd like to get into this first and foremost, because it seemed to have risen a lot of interesting meta and discussion and furthering comments about a certain precious angel of ours from fandom since the episode aired. I will say I am biased with the latter, because I adore him, however I am with Dean on this one. I am not taking sides, because I can see both sides of the argument and I understand where both characters are going from with the words that were exchanged, mostly from Castiel's end, but also with Sam towards the end of the episode when he was talking to Jesse.

What Castiel said to Sam was clearly in the heat of the moment. It was an impulsive reaction and it was his own defense mechanism based around his survival instinct upon the situation at hand. He's presented this kind of behavior before several times throughout these passed two seasons. Hell, he lashed out at Dean in 5.02 "Good God, Y'All!" remember? In the same context too, he wasn't necessarily placing the blame on Sam or Dean but putting the acknowledgment that they had failed to stop the Apocalypse. He doesn't hold any resentment or animosity towards Sam at all, but with his past actions from last season and such this was just adding fuel to the flame and it seemed slightly hypocritical in that sense, hence why Castiel reacted the way he did.

Castiel has his flaws. There are these flaws that make him understand and learn about humanity and what is happening around him, because he has no orders to follow by he is making his own choices, his own judgments. Was this a bad judgment to make, about Jesse and about lashing out at Sam? Perhaps. But the key thing here is that Castiel is learning. He looked deeply regrettable in the end of the episode, even when he was confronting Jesse he seemed conflicted over what he was going to do. Realizing that despite the kid's half-demon nature he was also half-human. Dean was correct in saying that Castiel was "confused", because he was. He's still morally struggling with these decisions and trying to decipher what is right and wrong in situations, because even though he's been cut off from Heaven that is still his home, the angels are still his family, and having this threat that a child could wipe out the entire Host of Heaven with a simple word...it's terrifying and he needed to do something. Even with the rationalizing the boys were doing in trying to save the kid, Castiel was also giving his own reasoning of not engaging in such action. He certainly felt like he couldn't take that chance with the possibility that the boy could be convinced of his nature; they had no idea what he was capable of, just the wrong thing said could set him off and destroy everything.

I'd like to parallel this to Laura Roslin in Battlestar Galactica when she wanted to terminate Sharon's pregnancy because she was carrying a half-human/half-Cylon hybrid child and felt that, since this child was deeply important to the Cylons and their plan it would mean disaster for humanity, so she felt it was best to kill the unborn child. To eliminate that threat to their entire race's survival. When presenting a threat to your entire race, it's certainly personal and Castiel was treating this as such. He understands that the boys aren't comfortable with the idea of killing a child, but when explaining the consequences if they did not it was very convincing of how he felt about the entire issue. Same with Laura Roslin, understanding her reasoning of survival even though it is morally wrong.

In any case, Sam certainly took the correct route because honestly, the kid didn't understand what was going on and what kind of power he held. The best was of handling the situation was getting there before the demons did, explain the situation upfront and allow him to decide where to go from there with that knowledge. Now yes, that was taking a massive chance, but Sam did right by telling the kid the truth. Although the kid is definitely going to need lots of therapy, having that good heart in him, that humanity. Much like Sam. Now perhaps Sam had that all along, or maybe it was prompted by Castiel. Either way, it worked. Because Sam did not want Jesse to end up like him, to make the wrong decisions because of his nature, in going down the wrong path like he did.

The words exchanged were harsh, the tension and intensity of what happened between Castiel and Sam, even for that moment in that one scene, and neither were completely right or completely wrong. There was truth in that moment and we know that, and I'm actually glad that the show isn't making it seem like everything is okay because of what happened last season, it certainly is not. I do wish they weren't like this, that there could be a common ground between them and weren't at odds end with each other, but much like the struggling trust between Dean and Sam, that will have to take its time.


"You're the Antichrist, Jesse!"

Okay, who else thought that this kid was absolutely freaking adorable? I just wanted to take him home with me, he's so cute.

I have to say the entire episode was phenomenal and not just because of it being a direct connection to Good Omens, but because of how well they incorporated the Antichrist storyline into the entire mytharc of the season. Granted yes, there are still some questions as to what will happen now and so forth, but I thought it meshed rather well all things considered. And it was a sweet story, for anyone familiar with Good Omens the Antichrist just wants to live like a normal boy, not be involved with any big thing that's happening. And that's precisely what was happening with Jesse. He didn't understand what was happening to him, and although there were some red-herrings in the beginning, he was just a kid.

That's the saddest part, though. He's just a kid. A kid having all of this information being dumped onto him at once, from being a half-human and half-demon hybrid, being in the middle of the Apocalypse and having both angels and demons gunning for him, it's a lot to absorb. Especially with the decision of leaving his home now that the demons know where he lives, and what he's going to do with this knowledge and how he's going to handle it all. It's a lot to take in, and it certainly reminds me of Harry Potter in that way. Finding out he's something he didn't realize he was, being able to do extraordinary things with just a mere thought, and then realizing he's part of something bigger. I mean, how does a kid handle something like that? It's going to be tough for him, knowing the truth of the harsh reality he's a part of. Also, I liked that despite their attempts at talking to him like a kid at first, Sam took the initiative and started talking to him like a person, not a child, even though he is still a kid, he had to know the whole truth no matter how painful it was.

But I do believe he's going to do great things with his powers, maybe learn to control them. Now understanding the huge risks and not being influenced by the demons after Sam had talked to him man-to-man, he can use his powers for good. Plus using the human side of him to resist the forces of darkness that want to convince him to join his side. I could sense that towards the end, realizing that he just wants to live and be like a kid. I liked that, with how we saw him just all sad!faced about leaving his home, his parents, going into hiding. Seeing him flop onto his bed, just that little moment, was so painful because he knows this is what he has to do. Oh, the poor dear. But still, I think he'll be okay and that the boys did the right thing.

However, there are some questions I have in regards to the entire storyline that have gotten me thinking.

The thing I'm confused about is a demon possessing a woman to conceive a child. Naturally you would assume that the hybrid would be Lucifer's child, but instead it seems like this was just a low-level demon that had done this. If this happened, could all low-level demons use this technique to conceive half-human/half-demon hybrid and produce multple Antichrists? Or was this specifically done in time for the Apocalypse? How could the YED couldn't have done this for those "special children" he needed (and God, how twisted would that be if instead of just Sam having demon blood he was actually half demon himself?) Also, being half-demon how does that work out for little Jesse? See, these are things I contemplate about.

Nonetheless with those little things, I liked the message about choices in the end, about going against what your supposed destiny says and creating your own destiny. Even though the repeated theme of "all paths lead to the same destination" as Castiel mentioned last season, maybe there is hope for others who get there before it's too late. Like Sam convincing Jesse about the good he can do if done wisely, unlike the choices and things he did with his own powers last season. He wanted to make things alright for this little boy before anything else could taint his decision-making, making him believe things like the demon was trying to do before Sam revealed the truth. Also the morality message between Dean and Sam and the little lies adults tell children, to protect them from the horrors and monsters of the outside world. It's bad enough that Jesse is now growing up too fast (ex. cooking for himself at such a young age, being at home with his parents out at work all day), but having this knowledge is definitely something to shatter his vision of the world. Hopefully things will be alright for him.

Choices and decisions, morality, fate and destiny, the strength and power of humanity over the forces of evil; Supernatural has always been about these themes, and I'm hoping that Jesse returns at some point to help fight alongside the Winchesters in this war.


Memorable Moments from the Episode

++ CASTIEL SITTING ON WHOOPI-CUSHION AND TURNING INTO AN ACTION FIGURE = PRICELESS!

++ Castiel putting the verbal bitch-slapping onto Sam was great, and as stated above he did have a point. I just wish they could hug it out and not have that rift between them. I did like that Dean wasn't picking sides, he was on the sideline facepalming with this "OMG WHY ARE MY BROTHER AND BOYFRIEND STILL FIGHTING? CAN'T THEY JUST GET ALONG ALREADY?!"

++ GOOD OMENS FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING WIN! \O/\O/\o/

++ Jesse = adorable. ♥ Also, who else thinks that when he disappeared in the end he transported himself to someplace fun, like Disneyland and is now living in the castle? Hey, if I were a kid and I had to escape or go into hiding somewhere, that's where I would go.

++ Now I keep thinking, with his ability of having what he believes to become a reality, what if Jesse had believed unicorns were real? Think abouot it, a unicorn would just walk right by the boys and Sam would go "HA! SEE DEAN! TOLD YOU UNICORNS WERE REAL!" XD XD XD And also, wouldn't it be kinda sweet if the boys asked Jesse to find God? I mean, that would be adorable if Jesse would be like "sorry for turning you into a doll, so I found God for you" and Castiel would be all O_o. Haha! THERE WILL BE FICS OF THESE SCENARIOS PPL, MARK MY WORDS!

++ Going along with that, I want a fic where Jesse meets up with Hera and they share stories about being special hybrids and how everyone is trying to either kill them or kidnap them. While having cupcakes. Aww, how cute would that be?! ♥ ♥

++ Okay, enough gushing over adorable kid. I really enjoyed the integration of the funny and hilarious moments with the serious mytharc of the season; going back to urban legends and fairytales which is something some fans have been complaining there aren't enough of anymore now with all this stuff with the show moving along with the big damn plot. I like it when they mix the lolarious with the serious business, it makes for a great episode since it has something for everyone.

++ Dean making that scary/funny face = OMGWTFLOL! He looked embarrassed to have actually done that. And the same with the hairy palm after masturbating thing, lol oh my God the show actually went there. Too funny.

++ The woman's story about being possessed and the flashback to her giving birth? That was incredibly well done, and well-shot. She was totally traumatized by that experience, yet smart enough to know what to do via those flashbacks when we see her downing salt to get the demon out, overpowering it. Also another theme: despite knowing what the child was, she didn't have the heart to kill it. She put him up for adoption. Once again humanity prevailing. I feel sorry for her, too, after all she went through and had to go through again, nobody's life is the same after being possessed. This is was a nice followup after seeing other people being possessed, because I do wonder how they live their lives knowing a demon was inside of them.

++ I loved Sam's expression when Jesse was taking control of his powers so quickly, so adaptively, especially when he told the demon to shut up and sit down and expelled the demon from his mother. You could totally see Sam being perplexed and go, "hey, no fair, how could I didn't get something like that?" and pout mentally.

++ Did anyone see the theme for the boys' motel room this episode? Stephen Colbert would be proud. *nods*

++ Stalker!Castiel is kinda scary, and also a turn on. OMG WTF SELF?! IDEK

++ DEAN BEING ALL GENTLE AND AFFECTIONATE WITH AF!CASTIEL, CALLING HIM HIS "BUDDY" AND EVERYTHING. AWWW! I LOVE MY OTP SO FUCKING MUCH. ♥ HE WAS ALSO TOTES THUMBING CASTIEL'S CROTCH ONE TOO MANY TIMES, LOL. XD


Overall: I absolutely enjoyed this episode, loved it actually. I'm surprised that there are some that didn't, and it makes me sad because this was the most talked about and anticipating episode because it was a homage to Good Omens. I thought Kripke handled it quite well. I also liked the mixture of the urban legends with the larger picture, the tension between Sam and Castiel, making light that not everything is A-Okay between them after everything, and just from Jesse and the choices and everything, I love what they did with it. I'm happy with this episode and I do hope to see Jesse again at some point, they did leave that window open for the possibility even though it was more for his safety to leave and stay in hiding. Somehow I think Jesse will find a way to do something good with his powers, and I like having that optimistic view in such dire times. I also liked that they didn't kill the poor kid. That is one line the show won't cross.


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noybusiness on October 17th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
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<i?If this happened, could all low-level demons use this technique to conceive half-human/half-demon hybrid and produce multple Antichrists?</i>

It probably can only be done once every five hundred years at a certain time of month after certain sacrifices or something like that. The usual.
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on October 18th, 2009 02:53 am (UTC)
It probably can only be done once every five hundred years at a certain time of month after certain sacrifices or something like that. The usual.

I'm thinking it definitely could've been ritualistic and rare, particularly if it was setup for this child be become part of the big damn Apocalypse at some point. But for me it seems like a higher ranking demon would have to do this instead of just a low-ranking one, given that certain demons like Azazel could use his blood to create his own little soldiers.
noybusiness on October 18th, 2009 03:24 am (UTC)
I think there are ranks within the black-eyed demons. "Meg", for example, said she wasn't in the little leagues. They probably won't show any more gold or white-eyed demons, to avoid confusion - probably only the very strongest have that. So it was probably a high-ranking black-eyed demon, like "Meg" or like Astaroth from Malleus Maleficarum - explains why it thought it could take on the Winchester single-handedly.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on October 18th, 2009 03:34 am (UTC)
That is true. Plus, from season one Azazel mentioned that Meg was one of his children, so there has to be something of ranking of the black-eyed demons that are favored or get promoted or what have you. The problem is despite the longest we've seen of the demons over the seasons there has yet to actually be an explanation of the rankings and the kinds of powers they have. For example, Ruby wasn't all that powerful. She had to use witchcraft and her knife and, before the S4 finale, she hardly gave us anything of telekinetic powers. While others definitely did.

I'm hoping we'll get further into that, either in the show or by Kripke and Co.
Tracy: Cas All For Youalexwhitman25 on October 17th, 2009 11:49 pm (UTC)
I have big issues with Jesse. Mainly, it sounds like there could be lots of little anti-christs made and if so, why hasn't this been pursued. My second issue is that this is a child who can kill people by having a temper tantrum. What happens when he gets really angry or really wants something? I mean it's not even really an issue of choice with him IMO, he has no control at this time and could inadvertently kill people. Sam, as an adult couldn't control himself enough, but we are supposed to believe a child can? Look what happened when he wasn't even meaning people harm. Thirdly, I hate the idea of an all powerful deux ex machine out there somewhere. I mean more powerful than Lucifer and able to smite all teh angels? Plz don't pull him out as teh saving race in teh finale, Kripke. Or have him go evil and be the arc next season. The actor was great and everything, but I didn't like what they did with it.

I loved Cas calling Sam out, someone had to do it. Especially after last week. I didn't see it as Cas calling him out for starting the apocalypse, but that even though people warned him and tried to make him see what his choices were gonna lead to, he didn't listen and did it anyway. Like I said above, if Sam couldn't handle it, a child is going to? Like Demian at TwoP said "No, you solve the problem of how to stop The Antichrist by KILLING THE ANTICHRIST." I really want this season to start taking that dark turn, this is the freaking apocalypse!

I actually really enjoyed the episode, I just didn't like the inclusion of this all powerful figure with no control running wild out there in this universe now.

Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on October 18th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
Mainly, it sounds like there could be lots of little anti-christs made and if so, why hasn't this been pursued.

Yeah, that's my biggest question from this episode because it seemed like a low-level demon conceived this child by possessing a human woman (and that itself is kind of questionable since, how can that be done biologically?), which if that could be accomplished you'd think the demons would have done this many times to have their own army of Antichrists around the globe. Unless, of course, it was a rare ritualistic type of thing where a demon would have a mission to create a human/demon hybrid that will take part in the big war that's coming up.

However, since Castiel mentioned that Jesse's powers didn't manifest until Lucifer was unleashed, I'm assuming that perhaps every generation there would be a demon to possess and conceive a child in hopes that would become their new weapon if Lucifer had been unleashed from his prison. Jesse being the child of this generation, but also hidden/misplaced because of the mother giving him away.

Sam, as an adult couldn't control himself enough, but we are supposed to believe a child can? Look what happened when he wasn't even meaning people harm

It really is a matter of taking such a chance with Jesse on this, though. Because I agree, wherever he is how is he going to keep his power under control if he accidentally gets angry or upset? How is he supposed to know, especially if he didn't know before? But I'm thinking that once he was made fully aware what was happening he thinks twice about thinking/wishing really hard. But the question is, how? What he believes comes true.

Thirdly, I hate the idea of an all powerful deux ex machine out there somewhere. I mean more powerful than Lucifer and able to smite all teh angels?

It did seem like it, yeah, but I don't think I'm worried about it as it's a plot-device of sorts. Granted he can be incredibly powerful given his nature, but quite frankly I don't think he could be that powerful as to smiting the entire Heavenly Host or the world.

"No, you solve the problem of how to stop The Antichrist by KILLING THE ANTICHRIST." I really want this season to start taking that dark turn, this is the freaking apocalypse!

True. It would've been a dark turn to kill a child on the show, especially a small child that has such immense power and is still roaming freely. But the lesson here is despite all of that he can fight against his true nature and destiny, he doesn't have to turn out like that. Yes, he's half demon but he's also half human, and we should be keeping that half in mind. Humanity can defeat the evil and darkness within ourselves, and to discover it early on will save all that time worrying. I think that's the message here, and I appreciate them not going that far.

I mean, yes, I want there to be darkness and them pushing that envelope, and there were holes in this episode about that, but in spite of that I liked how they dealt with the Jesse situation. IDK, it just felt right even with some things that didn't make sense.
noybusiness on October 18th, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
However, since Castiel mentioned that Jesse's powers didn't manifest until Lucifer was unleashed, I'm assuming that perhaps every generation there would be a demon to possess and conceive a child in hopes that would become their new weapon if Lucifer had been unleashed from his prison. Jesse being the child of this generation, but also hidden/misplaced because of the mother giving him away.

Some traditions do mention successive Antichrists.
Renée: Dean/Castiel.rogueslayer452 on October 18th, 2009 03:29 am (UTC)
I loved Cas calling Sam out, someone had to do it. Especially after last week. I didn't see it as Cas calling him out for starting the apocalypse, but that even though people warned him and tried to make him see what his choices were gonna lead to, he didn't listen and did it anyway

Precisely. I mean, people will be bitching about how Castiel was out of line and how he shouldn't be saying those things and all of that, but you know what? He's got a point with what he said, and I liked that Sam is getting a verbal bitch-slap from our angel because clearly, it needed to be said. Especially since Castiel saw him using his powers to kill Alastair, witnessed him drinking demon blood, he's known for a long, long time the dark road that he was heading towards and the many times others have been trying to convince him no, that's not the way. So yeah, I think Castiel has the right be be frustrated.

Also, I know you ranted about it before but I agree with your words about what Sam was telling Dean in the previous episode. There was something wrong with his wording, or how it was written. It was just a series of excuses to me and it made no sense. So yeah, I'm happy that Castiel put the smackdown on Sam this time. And it's about time, too.

I actually really enjoyed the episode, I just didn't like the inclusion of this all powerful figure with no control running wild out there in this universe now.

In truth I do wonder where on Earth did Jesse disappear to and how he'll manage to control his powers, especially since they seem uncontrollable because it's the if he thinks it = it comes true. But it's that choice, it's that choice of understanding, accepting and deciding what to do with those powers. After he left all the effects from his abilities wore off, so I'm assuming he can erase what he'd done if he wills it. I'm just hoping he's out there somewhere trying to do what is right.
Tracy: Dean/Casalexwhitman25 on October 18th, 2009 05:01 am (UTC)
I had HUGE problems with how Sam said what he said in the last episode. He didn't really own his issues and instead put it back on Dean. Well you boss me and don't make me feel powerful so I ran to Ruby because she let me play boss and stroked my ego (which was all manipulation anyway). Not to mention that there were times that Dean TRIED to work with Sam & Ruby until he realized how far gone they both were acting. But to me that wasn't even the worst of it, that was typical Sam behavior as of late. The worst was Dean apologizing AGAIN and not defending himself or calling Sam out on anything, after I thought he had grown past that. Dean just enabled Sam's pouty, blameless behavior by doing that. Sam wants change from Dean, but what about the change from himself? Sam has happily pointed out Dean's flaws and the things he is supposed to work on changing - I want to see something about how Sam is going to learn and change and grow from his experiences. That's part of being an adult. The whole thing was total regression for me and makes me think that the brother relationship isn't going to change or grow like I thought it was.

Another thing I loved about Cas was when he went to kill Jesse and he hesitated for a second. He knows it's the right thing to do, but it's not as easy for him do as it once would have been.

icecoldrain: Stock - Cupcakesicecoldrain on October 18th, 2009 03:34 am (UTC)
HAPPY LATE BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How could the YED couldn't have done this for those "special children" he needed (and God, how twisted would that be if instead of just Sam having demon blood he was actually half demon himself?)
Whatever special person made it would be the host of Lucifer, which would then lead the demons on earth. So he's probably not half demon himself, especially since he's lost all his powers since he triggered the apocalypse(which is either a minor plot-plot hole because he had some powers before he started drinking the blood other then what the YED gave him, or it's been planned out to be that way because of the apocalypse).

I think he's surfing somewhere only because they had that long pause with him looking at all the surfing pictures. And I definetly thing Jesse was planned out, I can't picture a random demon just deciding to birth a half-demon. They were planning on triggering the apacalypse which was already being set into motion by the YED and the people he was giving his blood to which later turned out to be candidates for Lucifers host. It was probably all well planned out, and I would imagine that there was a ritual involved. Maybe it was given to a demon that wasn't that high up as an honor, or they were just chosen.
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on October 18th, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)
I know that Sam's not half-demon, I'm just presenting the possibility that if they'd gone in that direction it would've been an interesting and twisted route to take, considering all the things the brothers had gone through.

which is either a minor plot-plot hole because he had some powers before he started drinking the blood other then what the YED gave him, or it's been planned out to be that way because of the apocalypse

I'm thinking more the latter, because the special children had to do the battle royale in order to become that number one thus to continue on their destiny that coincided with the endgame that Azazel had in mind, which was to kill Lilith to unleash Lucifer. Once that happened, I'm assuming their task would've been completed and the next thing would be consenting to be Lucifer's vessel. It makes sense if that is how it happened (now Kripke and Co. probably weren't planning that from season one, but they matched it up as they went along to make sure it all connected together).

It was probably all well planned out, and I would imagine that there was a ritual involved. Maybe it was given to a demon that wasn't that high up as an honor, or they were just chosen.

I'm thinking more along those same lines, as well. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The demons would need as much power on their side as they can to win the war, so of course it would have to have been a specific ritualistic task for a particular demon.
lloyd, i'm ready to be heartbroken: because you're wreckedsapphirestar_ on October 18th, 2009 12:10 pm (UTC)
HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY! ♥

it certainly reminds me of Harry Potter in that way

TRUFAX. cracky thoughts, okay, because i can't not, and IT ALL POINTS TO JESSE = HARRY POTTER. stuff happens when he gets angry, he can apparate (totally to disneyland!) and he gets dragged into the middle of a war because it's ~his destiny~ and he didn't even have any idea he was a wizard half-demon until another almost!half-demon (well, sort of. wouldn't it be cool if sam really was one?) tells him. OH LOL SHOW.

but oh man oh man, i would love to see castiel and jesse meet again sometime. i don't know, i just think it'd be interesting to see how they'd interact, whether or not cas would still be apprehensive about jesse, or if he'd regret trying to kill him. but i do hope they'll bring jesse back at some point, or at least talk about him, because he is the antichrist, after all, and if no one ever brings him up, like, ever again, i'm going to be disappointed.
Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on October 19th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
Thank you! :D

Obviously they played this episode for being the parallel connection to Good Omens, but there's also that Harry Potter element too which I couldn't help but see as well. I swear they do a lot of correlations SPN does to a lot of different fandoms, hell they made the parallel with X-Men with Bobby being Xavier here. I just find that funny. XD

Jesse should come back, at least at some point later on. I found him adorable and his story so sad, but with the help of Sam and Dean he has that chance of choosing his own destiny, paralleling with them defying their predestined paths of being vessels. Which I find very clever. Again, theme of choices. Castiel encountering Jesse again would be interesting, and yeah he would totally be apprehensive and filled with a twinge of guilt because he was regretting having to kill Jesse, his hesitation when he confronted him. I think if they did cross paths again it would be cute just for a little apprehension on both their parts, and perhaps a small apologizing of what they did/attempted to do. Hee.

(I find Castiel's inept ability for socializing not only with other humans but with children very endearing, lol)
bold_seer: castielbold_seer on October 18th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
Stalker!Castiel is kinda scary, and also a turn on.

Mmmm... Er, I mean frightening. Veeery frightening.

While this ep wasn’t as satisfying as 5x01-5x04, there were actually lots of things that I loved. The woman’s story, told through flashbacks – it really was well shot! Dean, being a little torn between his brother and his buddy boyfriend, was great. And Castiel, he was clearly so unwilling to kill the kid, despite how necessary he thought it was. Don’t be afraid - it’s such a gorgeous, multilayered scene.

No SPN next week? :(
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on October 19th, 2009 02:29 am (UTC)
Hee, somehow even if Castiel was like cutting people up and covered in blood I'd find it hot. I have a serious problem. Damn you Misha for being so amazing. ;p

I loved the woman's story, her retelling what she experienced. I don't think we've gotten that elaborate and thorough retelling of how someone is possessed and is affected by that experience before. It must be such a terrifying and traumatic thing to ever go through, and live afterward. My God. And yes, I agree, Castiel confronting Jesse and hesitating, realizing what he was going to do, that internal struggle of morality that he's still going through. I find that beautiful and amazing.

I don't think SPN is going to be next week. I think they're having the world series or something. :(
The Large Purple Weed: CONFUSTIELtracy on October 19th, 2009 02:40 am (UTC)
Dean was correct in saying that Castiel was "confused", because he was.

DO YOU EVEN REALIZE HOW WELL DEAN MUST UNDERSTAND CASTIEL TO SAY THIS? Omgggg. He knows Castiel isn't a heartless son of a bitch, he knows Castiel is confused, he knows Castiel is trying, he just has a ways to go before he figures out what's right and what's wrong. And Dean has faith that he's gonna get there, and he supports him. fjkdlsfjsdlk LOVE.

The Jesse/Hera Castiel/Laura parallel is amazing. I'm glad both shows let the kid survive.

I mean, that would be adorable if Jesse would be like "sorry for turning you into a doll, so I found God for you" and Castiel would be all O_o.

I WANT THIS FIC SO BAD. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Omg. And then Castiel/Dean/Sam/Bobby could like, adopt him. Yes please.
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Personal space.rogueslayer452 on October 19th, 2009 03:16 am (UTC)
OMGYES. DEAN SO TOTALLY UNDERSTANDS HIS ANGEL! Besides the fact that he handled him gently and rather affectionately while still in the action figure state, calling his "buddy", but just understanding that Castiel didn't mean anything by what he was going to do. He knew that Castiel was only trying to do what he believed was the right thing, and yes, that he's trying to make those choices and judgments by himself without being given orders. And I just, omg, that fills me with warm fuzzies that Dean actually gets it. a;lskjdf;laksd I LOVE OUR OTP SFM! ♥

The Jesse/Hera Castiel/Laura parallel is amazing. I'm glad both shows let the kid survive.

I'm happy they aren't crossing that line on this show, with killing of children that have the chance of changing and making the right choices because it's not too late for them. I was actually a lot more worried for Hera on BSG because BSG often crossed those boundaries and pushed that envelope (ex. snapping a baby's neck in the miniseries, for instance) So yeah, I'm super happy that neither show had the guts to kill these precious kids.

And I am so wanting a fic with Jesse and Hera, and just Jesse finding God for Castiel and them just adopting him. Because THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY ADORABLE! THE CUTEST LITTLE FAMILY UNIT EVER. WITH TWO BROTHERS WHO HUNT, GRUMPY WHEELCHAIR-BOUND GRANDPA BOBBY, AND THE ANGEL CASTIEL TAKING CARE OF THE ANTICHRIST JESSE. :D :D :D
Becky: Birthday wishes!beckytheelf on October 20th, 2009 03:36 pm (UTC)
*Ahem*...HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY DARLING!!!!! I'm so sorry I missed it but I hope you had a fantastic day =D
And the hiatus is going to kill me. DAMMIT. What do I look like seriously? A WHOLE WEEK?????
Renée: DH. Sierra. Squee!rogueslayer452 on October 20th, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)
Awww, thank you so much! :D And I did have a great day, thank you.

Yeah, the hiatus is like torturous for us to go through. Grrr, why dammit, why? Stupid baseball season stuff.