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03 November 2009 @ 09:06 pm
Devotion is a dangerous weapon.  
I think I've just discovered a new shiny fandom, omgwhut.


Secondly, there is so much mixed things happening from this pilot, but in a good way. There's a sense of who should you trust and which side should you trust. Also, there are A LOT of similarities between the Visitors and the Cylons, hence why I wanted to watch this in the first place because I knew I would end up liking the Visitors (and it doesn't hurt that Morena is their leader, heh). It's like the Cylon plan of possibly destroying or occupying humanity, only in reverse. There are infiltrators who lived among us, but once the others revealed themselves to us as being Visitors from their ships they aren't hostile, in fact quite the opposite. Unlike the Cylons when they decided to nuke the Twelve Colonies the Visitors want peace, they want friendship and cooperation and most of all, our acceptance of their arrival; which goes along the same lines of such "peace" when the Cylons decided for such truce when they occupied New Caprica.

One of the things I kept thinking about is while I love the Cylons from BSG, should I love the Visitors? It's obvious there's something more sinister boiling from their big plans, but there's also those who are Traitors, Visitors who go against the rest and just want to live normal, peaceful lives amongst humans. This isn't going to be simply black and white, which is what I'm looking forward to most of all.

The re-imagining of V, like the re-imagining of BSG, takes on our present day current events, such as politics and religion, war and terrorism. It addresses the basic human fear, the fear of change and the fear of the unknown; who are these Visitors? Do they really mean what they say? Are we being blind in accepting their arrival, devoting ourselves to their mercy? Should we believe anything they're saying, or are we being utterly paranoid?

Of course, there's been plenty of accusations for months that the Visitors = the Obama administration (the acceptance and need for change, the universal health care mention, the need for peace amongst everyone, rallying up more and more supporters, not accepting certain bias against them a la FOX News not being allowed into the White House, etc.) which I highly doubt it's meant to be directed to the Obama administration. It's just a universal issue that we, as a people, being threatened with something such as change, such as everything we once knew being stripped from us by something greater or bigger and we feel the need to rally against it. But it's complicated because sometimes this is a survival instinct, such as those who instinctively know something is up with the Visitors in V, but other times could it just be overreaction? That's the thing I see here when people make that political connection. But whatever, people will see what they want to see.

I know, I know, too many thinky-thoughts right now and I don't know where I'm going with them. Anyway....

I loved Morena Baccarin as Anna, the main leader of the Visitors. She has such perfect poise and I adore her outfits and how she delivers her lines. Her expressions are also chilling because smiling like that, and giving off this unsettling look? Just wow, I love it. ♥ More of Morena, please. I also kinda figured about Alan halfway through (also someone spoiled me for it on my f-list without cutting, grrr) but I'm happy we'll be seeing more of him soon.

There is something that I was bothered with, though. The young priest mentioned in the beginning that he wasn't convinced that God could have created humans and "aliens" to live together in the same universe, or something along the lines. That bothered me. I believe that God didn't just create Earth and human beings and all the creatures, but that He created the entire universe which includes other galaxies, and that we aren't solely the only living intelligent creatures out there in the void of space. Of course, this is the mindset of a lot of religious folks so of course he would be speaking out towards them, and the elderly priest definitely is more open to the thought that the Visitors are also God's children. Just a thought I had, anyway.

I don't know where this show is headed, but as for this pilot? I am sold. IT WAS AMAZING AND I WANT MORE, KTHX.

This also kinda makes me want Virtuality to have been renewed, too, because I feel that between V and Caprica I'm going to be empty with good science fiction shows for a while.
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ashleykitsu84 on November 4th, 2009 06:03 am (UTC)
The parallels this series exhibits concerning current events is one of the main reasons why I'm loving it so damn much right off the bat. I also can't get over just how intricate the storyline is while also not being too confusing. That takes some mad skills in the writers' room.

Oh, man. This combined with the epicness that's going to be Caprica totes makes up for the fail that is Stargate Universe.
Renée: Six. Satisfied.rogueslayer452 on November 4th, 2009 06:35 am (UTC)
Exactly. There's so much to absorb and they inherit it all with so much complexity, but makes it understandable that we get what is happening. It also made me think a lot about stuff and what is occurring in the storyline of it all. That's precisely what we need from a show, and I'm loving that aspect about it too. :D

ITA! SGU is only trying to be as amazing as these other shows, but it hardly comes close.
rawthorne on November 4th, 2009 07:39 am (UTC)
I'm going to check this out for sure. Although the fact that it's another show to reference the 'God did this or didn't do this' question makes me sigh. First BSG with its odd religious implications (for a show that made a point to debunk how religions are formed, it certainly left me wondering in the last season), then Supernatural with its angels and things and now another sci-fi show.
Renée: SPN. Quote. Angels are here.rogueslayer452 on November 4th, 2009 07:59 am (UTC)
To be honest, that's perhaps one of the reasons why I like getting involved with certain fandoms because of the theological aspect. I quite enjoyed how BSG managed to incorporate religion and belief into the main mythology, since it made perfect sense to me, as it will continue on with Caprica and how such belief in the One True God evolved toward the Centurions. It's the same with Supernatural because its within the scope of its own mythology, because they already have demons and Hell why not angels and Heaven? That's a natural progression and I would've been disappointed if they hadn't introduced that somewhere down the line (if anything it's made the show even better). To me, if it's relevant to the mythology and strengthens the storytelling, I'm all for it.

Then again I'm attracted to anything that involved religious and theological themes. Heh.

Although I don't think that'll be the case with V. There's a lot of questioning and confusion as witnessed in the pilot, people's beliefs with be shattered, even altered, because of the Visitors coming to Earth. But if religion will be shown later on it's not going to be dominantly featured.
rawthorne on November 4th, 2009 08:03 am (UTC)
I wouldn't have so much of an issue with this if they (and by they I mean any of the above shows) would've taken pains to mention the other big religions alive and well today - rather than jumping from mythology to Christianity. I've noticed that the common idea seems to be that there is only one God, it's just that he has different names. Fair enough, but it's hard to argue that notions of Heaven, Hell, angels and all the rest of the Biblical legends used are also some sort of catch-all for religious belief in general when they apply solely and primarily to Christianity.
Renée: SPN. Castiel.rogueslayer452 on November 4th, 2009 08:15 am (UTC)
I think that's because Christianity is the primarily known and most popular religion for most people, therefore it's to place some familiarity to the audience a bit. Although there are variations too, adding their own spin to it. In Supernatural Heaven and God and the angels are definitely pulled for the Christian Bible yes, but they also have many different religions and deities within the show as well (and the show has always been influenced by Judeo-Christian themes). In BSG they don't mention Christianity at all because there was no Christianity in that universe, just the known One God that kept being referenced. Plus they had both monotheistic and polytheistic viewpoints from all characters, even atheistic.

So I wouldn't say these shows are abandoning other religions per se, but I do understand what you mean but in the entire overview of shows in the media which do focus on religion and a repeated pattern of it being primarily pulled from Christianity in some form or another. I do wish there were more variety in the media regarding the other big religions, but what are you gonna do?
rawthorne on November 4th, 2009 08:25 am (UTC)
Good point about BSG not referring to Christianity explicitly - I guess it's interesting that my first frame of reference was the Judeo-Christian concept of God rather than the Muslim or other. It certainly proves your point.

It's a shame, because I think blending religions would be an interesting way to show how similar we are and how much we can also learn from each other. But I'm probably expecting too much of TV. After all, it's entertainment, not education.
noybusiness: Leoben/Anders/Starbuck threesomenoybusiness on November 4th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
They did show that the Colonials' and Cylons' religions were more alike than different on BSG.
rawthorne on November 4th, 2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
Did they? The whole thing seemed to boil down to polytheism (and it was mostly Greek mythology there) and monotheism (which I had understood to be Christianity but have, thanks to rogueslayer452 reconsidered). What I'm saying is that I'd like real, practiced, non-Judeo-Christian religions to be given exposure in these shows.
noybusiness on November 4th, 2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
But aside from the number of gods, very similar.

I agree. Castiel said angels hadn't interacted with humans in 2000 years and I'm like, "Do the writers even know about Mohammed and the mountain?".
rawthorne on November 4th, 2009 03:39 pm (UTC)
Yes, but that's not what I mean. Every religion is ultimately similar. The problem is if you only give exposure to dead religions and a fictional representation of Christianity then you're not actually doing much better than every other show that references Christianity when it talks about religion.

And about SPN, I have Muslim friends who like the show and were all confuzzled about that. I expect Buddhists, Hindus, etc had a similar feeling.

Perhaps at the end of the day, it's all about audience? The US public being the prime target, they just focus on Christianity? I don't know, we tend to be very careful about racial and gender representation these days. Maybe there will come a time when we have religious representation as well.
noybusiness on November 4th, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. Maybe we'll see more religious variation in the Twelve Colonies in Caprica? Jane Espenson said the writers have the planets all fleshed out. "This one is just like India except..." and so on.
♛ part-time maenad: firefly; maybe that's why we lostradon_ on November 4th, 2009 02:22 pm (UTC)
FLAILING TOO HARD TO BE COHERENT, BUT ITA WITH THIS POST. I didn't really like that they were only focusing on Christianity like it's the only religion on Earth though. I wish that they expanded it to include other religions (maybe Buddhism? etc) and perhaps, glimpses of other cities besides NY.

Morena Baccarin can do creepy really really well. It's was a little unsettling. I was totally heartbroken that Alan Tudyk was a V. (even though I guessed it but still, WASHHHHHHHHHHH) D:
Renée: Firefly. Big Damn Heroes.rogueslayer452 on November 4th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, there should be other religions focused on the show just a bit and not solely Christianity as well as focusing on other cities/states across the nation and, hell, even other countries (because why do most shows always focus on NYC or those other big major cities? There are others too, you know!) But it's only been the first episode, maybe it'll be expanded once the ball gets rolling.

I was thoroughly impressed with how she pulled it off, very unsettling but also very gorgeous and perfect in the role. Just, wow. I kinda suspected Alan but in the beginning I couldn't help but smile because OMG WASH! AS AN FBI AGENT! AWESOME! :D But then in the end, all sadfaced.
♛ part-time maenad: bsg; because they're prettierradon_ on November 5th, 2009 09:38 am (UTC)
(because why do most shows always focus on NYC or those other big major cities? There are others too, you know!)
Don't you know, America is the only country in the world! When aliens come, even they are ~naturally~ drawn to New York. Fact. (production wise, it's also easier, but yeah, I really hope they expand their focus)

I WAS ALL HAPPY THAT HE WAS FBI. AND WAS TOTES SHIPPING HIM WITH ERICA OKAY. ): hahah it's going to be like BSG all over again with the OMG GUESS/SPOT THE V thing. And then ultimately everyone will end up a V. Inara Serra is a coldblooded reptilian-like alien, whodathunk?! xD

Also, one more thing, I like that the older priest was more receptive towards the Visitors, theologically-speaking (we're all God's children and etc), and he didn't outrightly vilify them. Had to admit I sniggered when he went ~God's Plan~
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Renée: Castiel. Guardian angel.rogueslayer452 on November 4th, 2009 08:50 pm (UTC)
She really does, doesn't she? I've always loved Morena but just seeing her play this particular role, it's just amazing what she can do with just a simple look.

And yes, the Pope did say that, and although in the show it was just the young priest's own opinion it still bugged me that he even said that. But again, many still believe that you can't believe in God as well as believe in extraterrestrial or other life out there in the vastness of the universe, so perhaps V is challenging such views, making others question.

And I had my suspicion of Alan, but when he actually went down my roomate went 'oh god, why is he always the first to die'

LOL! True, but at least this time he'll be revived! XD
noybusiness on November 4th, 2009 03:36 pm (UTC)
It makes no sense to think God and aliens are incompatible, but like you said, some people have.

I hope the elderly priest isn't a Visitor himself.
Renée: Castiel. Bookish.rogueslayer452 on November 4th, 2009 08:41 pm (UTC)
It just seems rather self-centered to really think that we are just that important that nothing else matters out there in the universe, but there are many religious people who tend to really think that way. Who disbelieve that there could be other life out there, and that's kinda sad in a way.

We're going to be playing the "who's who" game just like in BSG, WHO IS A CYLON? WHO IS A VISITOR? XD I wouldn't disapprove if the priest himself were revealed to be a Visitor, but it would be more awesome if he were just a mere human who just happens to be open-minded about the whole thing. Heh.
icecoldrain: Supernatural - This party sucks.icecoldrain on November 5th, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
It's obvious there's something more sinister boiling from their big plans
And I already know what some of it is, if they keep to the mini-series and short lived TV show. My dad was telling me about it since he had watched them, it makes the show so much more interesting lol.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 5th, 2009 02:55 am (UTC)
Well I kinda know too since I read about the older series, but this being the re-imagined version they might keep the same structure but tweak it so the story makes sense.