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30 April 2011 @ 02:45 am
Further addendum on Castiel this season.  

Now I can't tell whether people are simply being reactionary based off of the episode itself or truly believe in the words they are writing out, but so far people have been completely overreacting the the revelation the newest episode gave us particularly with Castiel being in cahoots with Crowley. Most of these reactions isn't even new, since there has been plenty of fan speculation for a while now about Castiel being "evil" and "betraying" the Winchesters because of him not being entirely truthful and having ulterior motives all season long.

Let me make this absolutely clear for everyone:

CASTIEL. IS NOT. TURNING. EVIL.

It's almost like people are wanting him to become evil or something without looking at things rationally from his perspective and the circumstances he's been dealing with. Remember, the greatest harm can result from the best intentions. Good people can end up doing bad things, making questionable choices and decisions and doing morally ambiguous tasks for the greater good, especially when they're underneath a great deal of stress and pressure like Castiel has been all season. He's in deep desperation, he's had to make certain sacrifices, certain compromises due to the heavy weight he's carrying. Does this mean that Castiel is turning towards the "dark side" of things? Absolutely not.

I mean come on y'all, look at this face:



Does this look like the face of someone who is intentionally and legitimately enjoying doing horrible things? No. That's not what the definition of "evil" means, which people seem to be throwing around a lot lately as if justifying his secretive behavior. Castiel is questioning himself, he is afraid of what he is becoming, he is literally begging in the 6.20 preview to be stopped in heading in this direction. That is not a sign of someone who is turning darkside. That is a sign of someone struggling so desperately with the situation they are in, and don't want to be a part of anymore.

This is called being morally conflicted. Castiel is caught between a rock and a hard place and he's out of options, and has to take a risk which may be a necessary evil in order for things to be set right. And this is a realistic approach to many things that happen in life. Not everything is easy to attain, and sometimes you have to make certain compromises, even by bending the truth, to ensure that.

Never mind that the Winchesters have done questionable things, too. They've worked and compromised with demons to achieve their ends, yet people haven't referred to them being evil or have turned "dark side." What makes them the exception?

Here's the thing though: this is an interesting direction to be taking Castiel's arc because it shows a certain kind of development from where he was. He started out being an obedient soldier who begun having doubts and questioning his faith and his orders (S4) then after rebelling against Heaven and joining in Team Free Will in stopping Lucifer and the Apocalypse while learning about humanity (S5), and now he's on his own trying to maintain Heaven and end this civil war (S6). However with that, he's also learning the weight of this responsibility and that not everything is as simple as it seems, and because of it he's had to sacrifice certain things he believed in which is making him question, yet again, where his loyalties truly lie. Are they with Heaven, will he be able to make certain compromises to win at any and all costs, or is it with the Winchesters, that he simply cannot do this because he would jeopardize the only friends he has and deeply cares about? It's an entirely new ballpark for him and he's at loss at what to do, he's emotionally drained, completely wrecked and he doesn't want to lose anything. He can either lose the war, or lose the Winchesters. He sees no middle ground at this point, and unfortunately this is the price of war. War changes people, they start viewing things in a different light, from different perspectives than how they used to before, it makes them question situations that ultimately challenges their own morality.

And you know what? The fact that Castiel is actually questioning all of this shows his humanity. This is a good thing, and it pleases me that this is the direction they took with his character, particularly because he would have to deal with these kinds of hardships if he were to be the "sheriff of Heaven" and trying to maintain peace and equilibrium upstairs, esp for over two years.

My only concern is how the show is going to handle this. This is a potentially great character arc that can be royally screwed up in its execution, like many things have this season. Just please, please, for the love of God don't character assassinate our dear precious angel, Show. Otherwise I will never, ever forgive you.


Sorry for the long-winded rant. I just have lots of feelings regarding this, okay? Plus I'm worried, I'm biting my nails for these last few episodes of the season because it literally is the "make it or break it" for me with this show as a whole, and it all depends on this one character who I deeply am attached to.
 
 
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Trobadoratrobadora on May 2nd, 2011 08:25 am (UTC)
however there's no need for context when we can plainly see that Castiel is struggling with everything going on with this war and the compromises he's had to make

This! There's no question about it at all - he doesn't want to be doing what he's doing, he just doesn't see any other way. (Which is not to say that there isn't any other way, of course.) How do you go from there to "EVIL"?!

Although after reading quite a few more reviews, I'm even more stunned by how many people jumped to the conclusion that Castiel was working for Crowley. Not with; for. We don't know anything about what kind of arrangement these two may have! But quite a few people are treating it as if there were no question about it at all. *baffled*

Castiel thinks about the bigger picture and the long-term affects, whereas Dean and Sam think about the smaller things, like caring for the two orphaned boys

Yes! and it's not like one of them is wrong and the other is right. You need both points of view. They need each other that way.
Renée: Dean/Castiel. Closer.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2011 09:22 am (UTC)
We don't know anything about what kind of arrangement these two may have! But quite a few people are treating it as if there were no question about it at all. *baffled*

That is quite baffling how many jump onto such conclusions without even pausing to think of all the different scenarios of their arrangement together. Crowley could be working for Castiel, for all we know, but for a heavy price. But the thing is, we don't know. There's hardly been anything concrete about them together other than they're working together. Under what conditions, we'll soon find out in this Friday's episode. But just suggesting without batting an eye that Castiel is working for Crowley and betraying his "good angel wings" and going against the Winchesters? I don't get how anyone can come up with that conclusion at all.

Yes! and it's not like one of them is wrong and the other is right. You need both points of view. They need each other that way.

Precisely, and I think that's the missing link that's missing from both sides. They need each other to have that sort of balance or otherwise they'll get nowhere fast and won't get their priorities straight. Also, the other side will sense this weakness and use it against them, like the Mother did when understanding that the Winchesters couldn't resist taking care of two orphaned children, thus her planned worked.

They need the bigger picture with the smaller picture to have a sense of clarity with everything, and you'd think after six seasons they would understand that.
Trobadoratrobadora on May 2nd, 2011 10:37 am (UTC)
Also, isn't it obvious why Castiel and Crowley are working together? At least one reason. Castiel is fighting Raphael, who wants to kick-start the apocalypse again - and Crowley invested quite a bit into stopping the apocalypse last year, so I rather doubt he wants to see Raphael win now. If it was okay to accept Crowley's help last year, why shouldn't it be now? Dammit, Bobby even sold his soul for a crucial piece of info ...

I really can't wait for Friday's episode, and I hope the weirdness will stop once we know a little more. (And oh God, I hope the show doesn't fuck this up. Pleasepleaseplease ...)

They need the bigger picture with the smaller picture to have a sense of clarity with everything, and you'd think after six seasons they would understand that.

And you'd think the viewers would manage to grasp that too ...
Renée: Babydoll. Destroyer.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2011 12:01 pm (UTC)
If it was okay to accept Crowley's help last year, why shouldn't it be now? Dammit, Bobby even sold his soul for a crucial piece of info ...

This, all of this show be in their minds when they're going to be interrogating Castiel in the ring of fire on Friday, because again otherwise it'll make them look like hypocrites. Just saying.

Also, you're totally right about Crowley. Of course there might be other motives but I highly doubt he wants Raphael to win and he really just wants to survive, so teaming with Castiel because they mutually want the same thing is very plausible like with what happened last season. But what about what the Mother suggested? Crowley isn't really looking for Purgatory (wasted storyline if that's true tbh, Purgatory is very interesting and should be explored more) but wanting souls to be his nuclear weapon? But if that's true, and if Castiel knows, how do we know that Castiel isn't forming some kind of master plan to trick Crowley in the end? See, there's just tons of information that we just don't know.

I really can't wait for Friday's episode, and I hope the weirdness will stop once we know a little more. (And oh God, I hope the show doesn't fuck this up. Pleasepleaseplease ...)

This entire season has been one clusterfuck of a mess. I'm not looking for some miracle, but at least something to reassure us that shit isn't all gonna be fucked up? Please?

And you'd think the viewers would manage to grasp that too ...

You'd think, right? Unfortunately, some people in this fandom are just that dense.
Trobadoratrobadora on May 2nd, 2011 01:01 pm (UTC)
because again otherwise it'll make them look like hypocrites

Yeah. It's a bit sad that I have very little hope there, but I'm so bloody tired of Winchester hypocrisy. :(

And yeah, if Purgatory turns out to have been another red herring, it's a waste of a fascinating storyline. In fact, what this show needs to learn is that just because it's a red herring for the main seasonal plot, doesn't have to mean it can't be an interesting storyline in its own right as well!

how do we know that Castiel isn't forming some kind of master plan to trick Crowley in the end?

Exactly! We just don't know enough. Nothing is certain as of now. So all this jumping to conclusions is very frustrating.

I should give up trying to understand fandom ...
Renée: Castiel. Bitch please.rogueslayer452 on May 2nd, 2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
The Winchesters need to stop being so petty and self-righteous. They've become unlikeable in this season and I don't like that. I've also grown tired of this show recycling the same Winchester drama over and over again. Get some new material or gtfo (or have a spin-off with Castiel and his angel family, since their dysfunction is more interesting right now that the Winchester brothers, just saying....)

In fact, what this show needs to learn is that just because it's a red herring for the main seasonal plot, doesn't have to mean it can't be an interesting storyline in its own right as well!

Wordy McWord to this, yo. This show constantly introduces great storylines that have amazing potential, only they go "lol psyched red-herring" and never continue with it. So many plot holes in this show, especially lately, it's ridiculous. :/ THESE ARE INTERESTING THINGS SHOW, DON'T FUCKING FUCK WITH US, USE THEM FFS! ENOUGH WITH THIS BULLSHIT. >:/ Just one of the many things the show has been pissing me off with lately. Ugh.
Trobadoratrobadora on May 2nd, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC)
I have some hopes since they already got called out twice (by Bobby and by Rachel).

(Speaking of things that never lived up to their potential ... at least Rachel's still got a chance, as I fully expect to see her again on Friday. But the entire Campbell family was a whole waste of space - even if that gets tied up awesomely in the finale, they were always just there and never got to do anything meaningful. What a waste!)

or have a spin-off with Castiel and his angel family

OMG WANT. You're right, all the interesting stuff is happening behind the scenes, and that's just so incredibly frustrating.
Renée: Castiel. Angels bleed too.rogueslayer452 on May 3rd, 2011 01:17 am (UTC)
Oh, yes/ When I first heard that they were bringing the Campbells in before the season ever started my initial thought was, oh, we're gonna be learning more about Mary's side of the family? Sweet! Since you know, it is a vital part of who the Winchesters are based on their mother and her family history in hunting. But they wasted it giving no substance whatsoever, such a missed opportunity.

OMG WANT. You're right, all the interesting stuff is happening behind the scenes, and that's just so incredibly frustrating.

It's even more frustrating because the show isn't even a huge ensemble cast where they have to continually balance out storylines. It's just all Sam and Dean, Sam and Dean, all the time. That's not an excuse to not explore other characters and storylines just as much as theirs, and quite frankly I'm pissed that they just dismiss or ignore other characters just to focus on them. I mean, Adam anyone? Remember him, still stuck down there in the cage with Lucifer and Michael?

What's worse is how there are those in fandom who truly believe that Supernatural should only feature Sam and Dean. No Bobby, no Castiel, no other characters but them because, in their minds, "that's what the show is about!!!" *rolls eyes*
Trobadoratrobadora on May 3rd, 2011 09:44 am (UTC)
What's worse is how there are those in fandom who truly believe that Supernatural should only feature Sam and Dean. No Bobby, no Castiel, no other characters but them because, in their minds, "that's what the show is about!!!" *rolls eyes*

Yeah, I mean, it's not like there's any doubt that Sam-and-Dean is the centre and the heart of the show. But that doesn't mean they should exist in a vacuum! So many fans seem to think their favourite relationship is so fragile, it can't survive if there's any sort of "competition" at all. (And that's incredibly annoying, no matter which relationship we're talking about.)