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04 April 2014 @ 10:56 am
April Question Meme: Day Four  
Asked by noybusiness:

Shows/movies/books/video games that you wish hadn't been cancelled or wish had a sequel, and why. Your ideal concept for any such sequels and continuations, if you have one.

I literally have so many, like most of my fandoms are of unjustly canceled shows or things that didn't get proper endings and should have had more to them, but of course TPTB are unfair and don't want anyone to be happy. Since there's plenty on my list, I'm just going to name several, and even then this may get a little long and quite rambly.

Caprica, I feel, was criminally robbed of being shown its true potential and I'm still incredibly bitter about its cancellation to this day. I feel that Syfy didn't give it a proper chance from the very start, which still confuses me since it was a prequel series to Battlestar Galactica, you know one of their top-rated successful shows on their channel. It should have at least been promoted better than it was. Caprica did start off a bit slow, but it picked up rather quickly during the second half of the season, which the channel didn't do that any favors when they gave their mid-season an extended hiatus and changed the airing date and time without much warning. I also feel like there was a lot of mixed reactions about the show in general, even before it aired, and that people didn't really give it the proper chance it deserved.

My ideal concept for its continuation was already shown during the series epilogue, which was basically the preview of what the second season would have been like. And it would have been amazing, had the show not been prematurely canceled.

Ravenswood is a recent one that I'm still getting over them canceling after only ten episodes. I'm still surprised by it, actually, considering it was a spin-off of Pretty Little Liars, which is quite high in popularity. I would have figured it would have lasted a bit longer than it did. To be fair though, it was more of a stand-alone series than a direct spin-off with only a character and some events to connect the two, but even so it had a good story to tell and that finale was very open-ended with so many questions left unanswered. I would have liked them to at least have been given the opportunity to wrap everything up proper, especially since the character of Caleb will be returning to Pretty Little Liars and he went through some pretty heavy stuff that shouldn't be ignored.

Legend of the Seeker was one of those shows that I got into right when they had announced it being canceled, and believe me for someone who got obsessed with it rather quickly I was very pissed hearing that such a fun show was being axed. It had two seasons, and the season season (series) finale was pretty satisfactory with an open door for more, but I still think it deserved a third season to continue the story. I also think it's unfair that the last shot of Cara was her looking sort of longingly at Kahlan and Richard happily reuniting. If nothing else, I wanted more of Cara in a possible third season and her loyalty and affections for this little family she had grown attached to, and the obvious Kahlan/Richard/Cara threesome that would eventually happen. ;)

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, the show where it was about all these fabulously complex women, two of which are both protecting and preparing John Connor for his future and destiny; a show where it melds perfectly with the mythos of the first two Terminator films, and it so rudely got canceled after two seasons. Granted, the fact it was given a second season on FOX to begin with was a blessing in itself, but I felt like this was such an underrated and under-appreciated series and deserved more recognition and promotion, it was just so damn good. And besides, it's part of the Terminator franchise, how the hell do you pass that up, I ask you? The finale was great for what it was, giving us a nice way of ending the show even though they could have done more with it.

If it were to have a third season, my ideal scenario would be Sarah (in present day) to come to terms with her illness while still trying her hardest to fight against the machines, possibly finding ways of helping John with him being in the future (i.e. leaving messages for him, etc.) I also would have liked to have seen her working with Ellison, them being on the same level now. Also, in my scenario, Jesse Flores is still alive and after some questioning and suspicions she ends up helping Sarah Connor. And John, being displaced in a future timeline, will have to find a way of searching for Cameron and Weaver while maintaining his cool, and using the clues left for him to find and his training to help those around him.

(Yes, I've thought a lot about this, my headcanons for a third season have been expanding ever since the show ended, it's not even funny.)

Dollhouse deserved not only more seasons, but more time to build up to what they were heading towards. Particularly in the second season, there were many things building up to something much bigger, but of course the news about it being canceled led them to speeding things along, including massive time jumps, so we don't really get much to understand the development of certain things or why things happened the way they did. It should have had a third season to at least explain those missing links, like have it be a prequel filling in those blanks to fully understand what we missed.

Warehouse 13 hasn't technically ended yet, but it's been canceled and their fifth and final season is only six episodes. And I think that's bullshit. Perhaps I should be grateful that they've been given six episodes to wrap the show up instead of pulling the plug immediately, but it seems like it's become more common for there to be this "only six episodes" deal to conclude a series. But this is Syfy, where they've enforced this new thing where shows cannot go longer than four or five seasons, no matter how top-rated and popular they are. Warehouse 13 isn't the first show to suffer from this and it won't be the last, unfortunately, and I just think that it's bullshit. The show has lasted this long because people love it, it has quite a dedicated fanbase, and there's so much to tell and places to go with these characters and their relationships, but nope.

I don't have an ideal concept for a continuation really, just more episodes of silly adventures of "snagging, bagging and tagging" artifacts and wacky family shenanigans. I would love to see the evolution of Claudia and her taking on her destiny of being the new Warehouse caretaker, and of course actually seeing Myka/HG being in a relationship as they've been hinting and wanting to actually do on the show. It's just, this show has been my happy place, even if the later seasons have been more heavy in the emotions department. I don't want to let it go. :(


** Firefly, naturally, although to be fair despite us wanting more episodes it did get itself a movie to wrap up one particular storyline and to give a sense of closure, plus there's the comic books to continue to 'verse. Not many canceled shows have the privilege of getting anything extended, so I consider Browncoats very lucky in this case.

** Dark Angel, the second season added so much mythology and it got canceled before anything was ever really answered about it, particularly things involving Max and her destiny. Sure, I read what they planned on doing and there are the tie-in novelizations, but honestly I think a third season (or telemovie?) would have sufficed a bit more to actually explain things? idk Either way, it ended too quickly for me and I wanted more because I loved it (even though in retrospect the second season isn't really as good as the first season, but I digress.)

** Carnivale, it ended on a cliffhanger you motherfuckers, what the fuck? Conclude that shit.

** Wonderfalls, ahead of it's time in quirky hilarity, and I just wanted to see where it all went from there.

** Tru Calling, I was really into the mythology of what was going on, especially with Tru and Jack being kind of opposite of each other; one brings back life, the other restores order of death, and I wanted to see the outcome of their storylines since it, too, ended on a cliffhanger.

** Popular (WB) because let's face it, anyone who ever watched that show wanted to see what happened after that freaking car crash which was another fucking cliffhanger. Basically, any show that gets canceled on a cliffhanger is something I rage about.

There are of course many other shows that I know I am forgetting to add to this list, but again many of my shows have been either canceled or ended at a place where it shouldn't have and I wished it could have continued because I loved them or I just wanted to see how it ended, dammit. But life isn't fair, TPTB aren't fair, amazingly awesome shows get canceled for no reason whatsoever and we basically have to resort to fanfiction and our own headcanons. Which isn't necessarily bad, sometimes it's even better, but other times that lingering question of "why?" pops back into your head and you just need to curse TPTB for the umpteenth time. And sometimes you do both because you think about your headcanons and then you go, "argh, why wasn't this an actual thing universe?" So, yeah.

For movies, I still want The Girl Who Played With Fire and The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest sequels to David Fincher's The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. I know they planned on doing the rest of the trilogy during the filming of the first one, but it has been delayed since they've kind of gone off doing other scheduled projects. They keep saying there's the possibility of them going back and doing them, but the more the years go by the less likely it seems.

Also, even though it was meant to be a singular movie, I kinda wanted to see a sequel to Hanna following what happens next. What happens to Hanna after all the events that occurred? How does she manage adapting to the outside world? What does she do with the knowledge about herself? You know, those kinds of things.
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Profiterole: Dollhouse - Echo and Whiskey_profiterole_ on April 4th, 2014 06:37 pm (UTC)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
THIS! I saw it some time after it was originally broadcast, so I missed all the flailing about that amazing finale and all the potential there was for a Season 3.

The first season was probably too slow, and then it felt like they put all their ideas for Seasons 2 AND 3 into just one season because they knew there was no hope for more. Such a pity! This show had the potential to be even greater than it already was.

I also love(d) Caprica and Warehouse 13.
Renée: Victor/Sierra. Forever.rogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2014 11:27 am (UTC)
I feel a TSCC rewatch coming on...

They definitely planned for more on Dollhouse, especially with the second season because Joss had mentioned that he planned on doing more with the Epitaph storylines throughout, but due to budget cuts and the network disapproval of the idea he didn't, thus all the unanswered questions we got. It's kind of apparent that there wasn't much support of the show and that Joss had to do what he could with as little as he was provided (not as little as he had on Firefly), but since FOX had intervened with how the show was done from the beginning, it's no doubt that they just weren't necessarily on board with the direction of the show.

I just keep wondering, had Dollhouse (and TSCC for that matter) aired on another network would it have been given a better chance?
Sylvia: Gearsrheasilvia on April 4th, 2014 08:42 pm (UTC)
Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles was one of the smartest, trickiest, and just best TV series I have ever seen, bar none.

I feel the exact same way you do... on the one hand it's a horrible shame it ended so soon, but on the other hand, it was - in a way - the perfect ending. John had come around to his beginnings, in the twisty time-travel way; everything had been set into motion. There was still so much to explore, but at least this way, there way no chance for TPTB to fuck everything up spectacularly later on, as they are wont to do.

Also, Tru Calling! I thought I was the only one who watched and liked that show! :-) I was so sorry to have it cancelled.

Right now I am so nervous about Almost Human, argh.
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2014 12:01 pm (UTC)
There was still so much to explore, but at least this way, there way no chance for TPTB to fuck everything up spectacularly later on, as they are wont to do.

Yeah, that's something I'm really grateful in terms of where the show ended, that they ended on a satisfactory note. It's bittersweet because it should have continued on, but I feel that finale was very well done and felt right to where they were currently. It was left open-ended for more, and there are plenty of possibilities to explore for sure, but I'm happy with what we got.

Also, Tru Calling! I thought I was the only one who watched and liked that show! :-) I was so sorry to have it cancelled.

It's one of those shows that I watched purely because of my Eliza Dushku love, but I actually really liked the story and I wanted to learn more. But unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to.

Right now I am so nervous about Almost Human, argh.

I've been hearing it's on the bubble, and while I haven't really seen it I've heard about it, and I'm hoping for the sake of the fans that it does get renewed for another season.
tardis_stowaway: victor dollhousetardis_stowaway on April 4th, 2014 10:08 pm (UTC)
Still sad about Dollhouse. I know the fact that they got a second season at all was lucky considering that S1's ratings were not that great. However, the show was doing such cool things, and I wish they'd had a chance to explore them more without quite so much rushing and skipping around. Also, the big bad reveal rang REALLY false to me. It felt like a plot twist for the sake of plot twist rather than something that made sense once you knew all the information. If the show had another season, they could have either planted more evidence for the character they used or (better yet) introduced/fleshed out a different character who could have been revealed as the big bad.

I'm also still angry about Carnivale's damn cliffhanger ending.
Renée: Sierra. Incognito.rogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2014 12:45 pm (UTC)
Also, the big bad reveal rang REALLY false to me. It felt like a plot twist for the sake of plot twist rather than something that made sense once you knew all the information.

Agreed. I was surprised along with everyone else, but mainly confused because like you said we didn't have all the information and it just came out of left field. Like I understand that the show had already been underneath a lot of pressure and they knew it was going to be its last at that point when they revealed it, but I just felt like we needed more leading into it in order to make sense. Had the show had more time it would have been fascinating to explore it in a more fleshed out manner, and it would have felt more satisfying. But as it was, it was done to rush things along and due to that it really did feel false because it felt like a cheap shot at a shock value reveal, and it's just a bummer because you know that it wasn't the original intention. Just, ugh. There's so many what ifs and could-have-beens with this show, and other shows like it that didn't get a chance to really tell the story the way they wanted to.
ramasi: Gwenramasi on April 4th, 2014 10:27 pm (UTC)
I wish Dollhouse could have been longer too, but they could have filled in so much more story in two seasons if they hadn't continued to do those 'assignment of the week' episodes for so long. I guess they had to show some of these, and not have to main plot move too fast because then it might have seemed too easy to but – every one of those assignments was utterly boring to me. And I like Dollhouse.
Renée: Dollhouse. Victor/Sierra.rogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2014 01:06 pm (UTC)
What irritates me about the whole "assignment of the week" thing was that it's obvious that there was some intervening going on, since the original pilot had more plot-related things being introduced that set things up, but it was deemed too "dark" and thus we got the filler episodes first before getting deeper into the darker, more unsettling aspects of the story with the sixth episode, "Man on the Street".

I truly feel like not everyone understood what Dollhouse was trying to convey, and those first filler episodes didn't help matters and really turned even some of the most hardcore Whedon fans off, which was unfortunate, but understandable. Those episodes were all about sugarcoating the disturbing parts of the Dollhouse and going for more of the sexy Alias-like assignments. Just, the message and translation got lost somewhere in there and Joss tried to bring it all back to attention in the latter half of the season and definitely into the second season.
daria234daria234 on April 5th, 2014 02:43 am (UTC)
Great post!

So many of my fave shows were cancelled too soon. Dark Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse, and Terminator:SCC especially. I love your idea of Jesse, Sarah and James all working together - I can just see them kicking ass and helping one another even as they don't fully trust one another - it would be awesome. And I SO want to know what the show had planned for future Derek and Kyle and their interactions with John, and more about Catherine Weaver's plans.
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2014 01:20 pm (UTC)
And I SO want to know what the show had planned for future Derek and Kyle and their interactions with John, and more about Catherine Weaver's plans.

Oh, definitely. Like, I'm interested to know how that would have gone down. John, knowing what he does, how would he have handled being with them? What would he reveal, or what would he have to remain quiet about until he was certain he could reveal anything? If this is where he does become their leader and savior, how would he convince them? I would have loved to have seen their interactions and how he establishes himself in this particular future timeline. Never mind how he would have interacted with Allison Young (who isn't Cameron) while still searching for his Cameron.

What I loved about the show is that we didn't even see an adult John Connor, so if his destiny was to travel forwards in time to that particular place in the future to become the savior of mankind, it would totally have been plausible with that finale.

And I really wanted to know more about Catherine Weaver and what she was planning. They were certainly setting something up that no doubt would have been dealt with in the third season.
orangerful: dollhouse dewitt calls // orangerfulorangerful on April 5th, 2014 03:58 am (UTC)
I got the Dollhouse comic book trade for my birthday from my parents so I really want ot rewatch the whole series and then read that. Maybe a project for the summer when all my current TV is on break.

And poor Wonderfalls. It was never given a chance. Same with Legend of the Seeker - how the heck do you determine ratings when your show is on a different time every week? Man, if that came out now, the Game of Thrones fandom would have latched on to it as the lighter, more fun show. Ugh. And there was so much pretty :(
Renée: Kahlan. BAMC.rogueslayer452 on April 5th, 2014 02:10 pm (UTC)
how the heck do you determine ratings when your show is on a different time every week?

That's literally the issue of some canceled shows since the networks often would switch the dates and times, put the shows on constant hiatus, which often would lead to the inevitable cancellation due to poor ratings. Like, I understand it's a business and there's loads of complicated shit that happens behind closed doors, but let's be real there's at least some bias going on. Some networks will greenlight a show, but it won't take the necessary approaches to promote it like it does other shows. It sucks and it's stupid.

Man, if that came out now, the Game of Thrones fandom would have latched on to it as the lighter, more fun show.

Interestingly enough, Legend of the Seeker was canceled right around the time that they were getting ready for Game of Thrones to have its series premiere. I remember seeing the trailer for it back then and thinking "it's sort of a fantasy but it's not in the same league of LOTS"; this was when I didn't know much about ASOIAF and it looked more medieval than fantasy, which is sort of true, it didn't mesh with the regular definition of what fantasy was considered. But in a way I kinda agree, if Legend of the Seeker were to return to television now it probably would get more of a wider audience simply because of the fantasy genre gaining more popularity. Although LOTS had more sillier moments than grittier, which seems to be what some networks and audiences are looking for these days, but in contrast to GOT I think people would rather want to see something that doesn't have characters being brutally killed off on their screens in almost every episode.

It reminds me of the similar situation with Firefly and Battlestar Galactica; BSG premiered pretty much a year after Firefly was canceled, and it gained a large audience and became quite successful in sort of redefining the genre of science fiction. Had Firefly stuck in there, or had been picked up by SciFi during that time, things might have been a bit different.
orangerfulorangerful on April 5th, 2014 06:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, if Legend of the Seeker was being shopped around now, I'd suspect someone like FX or AMC would pick it up and give it the attention it deserves. But, alas, I'm not even sure what channel Seeker was attached to anymore...I think it was CW? And it would just air at random times, getting pre-empted by basketball or some other crazy stuff. If it had been alive now, with Hulu and Netflix...***sigh***

Naomifrelling_tralk on April 5th, 2014 03:14 pm (UTC)
Argh I hate when shows end on cliffhangers!

And totally agreed on Dollhouse, I wish that it could have at least been given a full 22 episode second season, they had to rush so much towards the end when Joss clearly had some really interesting ideas that deserved more time to explore
Renéerogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2014 05:33 am (UTC)
Cliffhangers are the cruelest things ever. It's the kind of thing you lie awake at night thinking about in frustration.

I just wish the show had done what Joss intended from the beginning, to get the ball rolling immediately instead of having the network intervene before he had the chance to take control over the story. You could tell he wanted to get into the deeper, heavier things early on but had to wait. We could have had so much more and he was building to that, but because of it being canceled we got everything half-assed towards the end. Not that the Epitaph Two wasn't good, but there was just so many unanswered questions. *sigh*
Gabysquaringkarma on April 6th, 2014 12:43 pm (UTC)
I so miss Wonderfalls, Tru Calling, and Popular (do you remember hearing about how Brooke and Sam would have become lesbian lovers in season 3? Because that seems to stick in my mind for some reason and I am not sure if that was simply fanon or "canon" for how it would have gone).

As well as the Whedon shows, but of course. Heh.
Renée: Inara/Kaylee. <3rogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2014 05:38 am (UTC)
I don't think I heard that. Then again, Sam/Brooke has always had that level of UST to the point where I truly believed they could have gone in that direction if they wanted to. And believe me, I wanted them to.
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Renée: Firefly. Big Damn Heroes.rogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2014 05:42 am (UTC)
Agreed, or have an alternative ending just in case or something like that.

Though for some shows it probably wouldn't necessarily apply because of the way their narrative is structured, but if you know that you're on the bubble have at least a back-up or something to ease the fans on what would have happened next in case you don't get the chance to wrap things up the way you wanted it to.
giallarhorn: korra angrygiallarhorn on April 6th, 2014 08:22 pm (UTC)
I'm still a little baffled by the choice to cancel W13, even if I don't watch the show. The show keeps generating ratings high enough to justify itself, which normally should be more than enough reason to keep it around? And I doubt that it was as expensive to produce as a show like say, Heros.

I feel like Firefly is the flagship of shows canceled ahead of time in the scifi genre, though it did get a movie to at least tie up things.

Wonderfalls was canceled way ahead of time, guh. Have you seen Pushing Daisies, out of curiosity?
Renée: Inara Serra. Smile.rogueslayer452 on April 7th, 2014 05:54 am (UTC)
I know, right? It's their whole new rule thing that's been enforced about not having a show go beyond four or five seasons, no matter how popular or high-rated it is. Which is ridiculous of a rule, imho. I mean, I understand that there are certain shows that have kind of outstayed their airtime, but I doubt this is the case for something like WH13. For something that has brought in a great audience, has a strong, dedicated fanbase and has been getting better and better each season, they wanted to cancel it because of some stupid rule. And only giving them six episodes to wrap everything up. Like, are you guys for real?

There have been so many things canceled before their time, and it makes me wonder if they were to premiere now would it be different? Or, due to there being more platforms available now, could something like Wonderfalls succeed with having a different format, like something similar to Orange is the New Black being on Netflix?

I have just seen Pushing Daisies very recently actually. Late to the party, I know, but I really enjoyed it! It's quirky and cute and it makes me have fuzzies all over. :)