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28 April 2014 @ 02:33 pm
Game of Thrones: "Oathkeeper" Episode Review  
Game of Thrones 4.04 "Oathkeeper"

Out of the entire episode, there were a few particular scenes that I enjoyed.

First was the opening sequence, which follows up from the ending of the last episode where Dany gives the slaves of Meereen the choice of liberation, and by them gaining their freedom she then takes Meereen as her own. I wish we could have seen more of the slave uprising, but at least we got to see some of it, including Grey Worm and some of the other Unsullied going in as disguised slaves to help provide aid in said uprising.

We also got to see the Targaryen banner! Finally.

Also, I really liked that little moment between Dany and Ser Barristan, you could tell he's having an internal debate about whether he should tell her about her father and the madness that claimed him during his rule. I'm hoping that we get that conversation soon. In fact, if there's one thing I wish for this season to have with her character is having Dany question herself. The show loves putting her badass scenes first, but I wish we could see her vulnerability, her self-doubt and insecurities about what she's doing, because that's part of her character arc and growth, too, especially with her storyline in Meereen she will have loads of questioning about herself and the path she's leading.

Then there's the Jaime scenes which, thankfully, weren't butchered like the previous episode (which we should forget ever happened, tbh.)

Him visiting Tyrion while he's imprisoned waiting for trial, seeing their brotherly bond, is something I quite enjoyed. Just their manner of speaking to each other, how calm and comfortable they are, how there's a little banter and teasing but nothing of the malicious kind. Jaime cares for his brother, as does Tyrion for him as well. I can't wait to see more of their interactions in the future.

And then there's JAIME AND BRIENNE. ♥ Him giving her the mission to find and protect Sansa Stark, him giving her the Valyrian sword and new armor, and her being nearly speechless by everything he was bestowing upon her and trusting her with. And when she named the sword Oathkeeper, their faces! And when Brienne is riding away and looks back at Jaime! (✿ ♥‿♥) EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM IS PERFECT AND I'M SO HAPPY THE SHOW HAS DONE RIGHT BY THEM, TBH.

Some other things:

++ I sort of understand the intention that the show has with adding more to Bran's story, considering that [book spoilers]at this point he's on his way of turning into a tree, and if they get to that point by the end of the season there won't be much for his character to do for the duration of the series (until there's more progression in the next book), though at this point it's sort of like with what they did with Gendry. It doesn't really serve much other than having other things for their character to do. I'm just waiting for Cold Hands to arrive to move them along, tbh.

++ About Margaery: in the books it's not outwardly stated her involvement in the plot to kill Joffrey, though I assumed, based on how Natalie played her character on the show, that she had at least a little understanding of what was going down. So it's kind of strange going from that assumption to seeing her being confused and slightly scandalized by her grandmother basically admitting to her involvement. And the thing with Tommen, well, I'm torn between thinking it's sweet to thinking it's kind of creepy. Just the way it was played towards the end, idk.

++ Littlefinger continues to be a creep, and not even inconspicuously. He's just all in Sansa's personal space, touching her and making creepy statements. Ugh. *shudders*

++ The episode seemed rather inoffensive until the scene at Craster's place. :/

++ I'm here for Missandei/Grey Worm. I know it's not even in the books (because Missandei is, like, nine years old in the books) but dammit, their cuteness and bonding is too much. ♥

++ Jon Snow. ♥ The foreshadowing, though. Oh boy.

++ That ending scene with the White Walkers was fascinating to witness, because it's also not featured in the books. The Others are the one thing that GRRM hasn't really expanded on, they are the mysterious beings that threaten everyone in Westeros that nobody is prepared for. So it was rather nice and creepy to actually see them separately, what they do with these newborns that are "gifted" to them as a sacrifice, seeing their culture, that they even have a culture, and it's just very interesting. I think this is one of the things GRRM has told D&D re: the books, and how the show plans on dealing with it once they catch up. So I'm excited.

Overall: It was a good episode, in my opinion. Not a whole lot happened, but there were some great scenes and interactions that I enjoyed watching. It just makes me want to get on with the trial, Sansa arriving to the Eyrie, Arya and the Hound, how everything in Meereen is going to go, what the hell is going to happen with Bran and Co. now that they've kind of changed their storyline a bit. You know, I want to see some of these things move forward.
Current Mood: accomplished
Galadriel.: ASOIAF ✽ Sansa Starksixphanel on April 28th, 2014 09:42 pm (UTC)
I get how things must change between the books and the show, but I don't understand some of the changes (although maybe it's like you say... that they just need to keep the characters doing things). Also, it makes me ~weird not to know what's going to happen in the not-so-distant future, because they've changed the stuff! lol.

Now... JAIME AND BRIENNE. ALL THE FEELS, ALL OF THEMMMM *-* I'm so happy (also, Jaime didn't appear in last episode, that's what I'm choosing to believe from now on) I want them to reunite and be happy and have babies and stuff. Damn GRRM.

Also, I felt so bad hearing and seeing the baby cry, omg. My heart.

PS. I hate Littlefinger.
Renée: Daenerys Targaryen.rogueslayer452 on April 29th, 2014 02:47 am (UTC)
There are some changes I accept, and some that I'm confused about, and others that I just don't understand why they made such changes at all. And I know that GRRM has made comments about the show re: the "butterfly effect" of these changes. I know that there's very limited time to tell all the stories (but some of those can be dealt with easier without all the pointless brothel and nudity scenes, just saying.)

I AM THE SAME WITH JAIME/BRIENNE. I accept the headcanon that they eventually just end up running away together. ♥

Just, even when the show gets certain things wrong, they end up doing particular things so right, and those Jaime and Brienne scenes were right up there with being so perfect and right and amazing. I legit had a giddy fangirl smile during those scenes, like you wouldn't believe. ALL THE FEELS. :D
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Renée: House Stark. Winter is Comingrogueslayer452 on April 29th, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
He's so skeevy, the way he is with Sansa. It grosses me out. Like, glad she's out of King's Landing, but being with him is no better, tbh.

And you're very welcome. I try to be considerate for those who haven't read the books. :)
giallarhorn: Winter is cominggiallarhorn on April 29th, 2014 02:26 am (UTC)
I'm really confused of where they're going with the show. Bran is caught by the people at Crastor's? Ghost is still there? Jon is riding out there and presumably going to meet Bran?

So the thing at the end isn't a Walker, if HBO is to be believed. And uh, really throws a huge wrench in everything???
Renée: House Stark. Winter is Comingrogueslayer452 on April 29th, 2014 02:39 am (UTC)
I really don't think Jon and Bran are going to meet, unfortunately. I think something will happen which causes them to miss each other (yet again) which sends Bran back into his own storyline. But other than that, yeah, idk.

At the end it's definitely an Other. The show hasn't made the distinction between Others/Wights, but at least here we see that these Other beings aren't human, and how they turn humans (living or dead) into their own followers or army. It's very interesting, I thought. It gives a little perspective that's not drawn from the books (because there's so little given about them), and I can't wait to see where it all goes.
giallarhorn: Winter is cominggiallarhorn on April 29th, 2014 03:18 am (UTC)
Oh, I was actually talking about this particular slipup.

It's hard to say if it is a mistake or not, though. If it was a mistake it'd be a really highly specific mistake that someone who's at least familiar with the legends of the books would have to make, because it isn't exactly a common place name.
Renée: Daenerys. Not a queen; a khaleesi.rogueslayer452 on April 29th, 2014 03:47 am (UTC)
Oh, okay, now I understand what you were referring to.

I'm pretty sure it was a mistake, unless they are introducing something that GRRM means to do for future books, but until that is confirmed I think it was a slip-up.
giallarhorn: Winter is cominggiallarhorn on April 29th, 2014 08:27 pm (UTC)
Well, they've already gone and confirmed (depending on how you want to say it) that Crastor’s sons are the Others in some form, which while a very popular theory for a really long time now, I don’t think there's been confirmation for till now so they’re already starting to verge out of book territory in potentially canonizing details outside of the books. There’s things to be argued (ie. thirteen figures standing, Night’s King ruled for thirteen years and was thirteenth commander and he has what might pass as a crown and it’s a really specific mistake to make- the Night’s King in the books verges on obscure lore) that it isn’t completely dismissible.

I'm going to be that person and point out that HBO (as far as I know) and GRRM haven't denied that it isn't, which leaves it much in the air. Given the pacing the show is going at, it seems likely they'd start laying foundations of when they very likely pass the books.
Kim: Uhurasaturnsdaughter on April 29th, 2014 02:07 pm (UTC)
I've gotten really uncomfortable with the direction the show has taken lately. Everything that Jaime did this episode would've gone over a lot better if they hadn't made him a rapist (they can try to sugarcoat that all they want, that's what it was). Littlefinger creeping on Sansa and Margaery semi-creeping on Tommen left a bad taste in my mouth. And then they sent us to Craster's Keep... Depending on what happens in the next episode, I may put this show on the backburner for a while and finally dig into the books (I can almost guarantee anything with Ramsey and Reek will be too much). At least I can limit my imagination if need be.
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 6th, 2014 05:20 am (UTC)
It's like they're being uncomfortable just for the sake of ~shock value, and it doesn't matter if they change storylines or characterizations just as long as they can be ~edgier as the seasons continue. It's like I have to prepare myself for each episode hoping that there's no blatant rape scene or pseudo-porn featured for no apparent reason, and that's not how I should be viewing this show. Like I'm not even surprised, just disappointed and fed up with all of it, tbh.

Thankfully the stay at Craster's didn't last that long, but it really wasn't necessary to have it, either.

I know the series is filled with uncomfortable moments, but as you said, my imagination can limit the graphics and I don't feel as gross while reading it. The show is intentionally choosing the way it presents these scenes; they're choosing to film it through the lens of the male gaze. It could be an HBO thing, it could just be D&D not understanding how to show the agency of all the characters, or whatever. Just like with that Jaime and Cersei scene, they and the director have no idea what was going on, and the way they changed it and still justified it. Just, ugh. Idek anymore. There are times when I watch this show and am entertained and excited, but then there are moments like these recent ones where I'm like, are they for serious? What is even happening? Don't they realize how gross they're being for no reason? I don't understand. Just, why?
wheatear: MOTHER OF DRAGONSwheatear on April 29th, 2014 09:26 pm (UTC)
The episode seemed rather inoffensive until the scene at Craster's place. :/

It was like they decided to cram all the offensive stuff into one scene.

Good episode though, I agree with your points. The White Walkers continue not to interest me though. :P
Renéerogueslayer452 on May 6th, 2014 02:44 pm (UTC)
I feel like that's going to happen when we return to Ramsay Bolton, though I kind of expect it going into that storyline.
ramasiramasi on May 1st, 2014 06:06 pm (UTC)
Can't really comment on the show (though they scenes I saw of Margaery made me think the same thing - I'm not a show fan but I must see every Margaery scene ever xD ), but I definitely figured she knew about the murder plot in the books, and that's even thought I don't think Margaery is some sort of political mastermind. They might not have told her the details, the less people who know the better, but surely she would have known that no, she wouldn't have to actually be married to the guy? Though I also felt that in the books there was less of a sense of her being good at manipulating Joff; he was charming to Sansa for a long time too, that's just how he is, and I think she's astute enough not to have counted on it lasting based solely on her person and not her house's strength.
ramasi: Gwenramasi on May 1st, 2014 06:10 pm (UTC)
Btw, about the Other having a culture, I've read some interesting theories about how perhaps they aren't a huge purely evil menace that needs to be driven out by fire, and might actually have sensical goal like everybody else, and I think that would fit with GRRM subverting conventions/expectations. And be pretty cool in any case.
~** The Queen of Peace **~: got tattoomeri_sielu on May 3rd, 2014 10:54 am (UTC)
Ooooh I missed Oathkeeper and need to catch up but it sounds like a brilliant episode and Josh will be happy as he's been bitching there hasn't been enough white walkers lol. :P