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27 July 2014 @ 08:52 am
Some SDCC stuffs...  
++ There was The Hobbit panel, which not only was hosted by Stephen Colbert in his Laketown costume, but also showed bloopers for both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings films and they actually did show the trailer for The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies. It just hasn't been released online for the rest of us, yet, and probably won't be until later this week or next week. That's the privilege of going to SDCC, I guess, and judging from the descriptions of the trailer itself from various sources, I'm both anticipating and dreading it because it will bring all the emotions. Also, I'm sad that Richard wasn't able to attend this year. He's busy performing in The Crucible, so it's understandable, especially given how physically and emotionally exhausted he must be after each show he does nearly every day of the week. But still, being that they didn't attend last year due to pick-ups overlapping, this will be the last Hobbit/Middle-earth panel at Comic-Con, so it's kind of sad that he didn't attend with the rest of the cast.

++ Some underwhelming news that amongst the new casting (and re-casting) for the new season of Game of Thrones, yet another important character isn't featured and is rumored to have been cut entirely from the show. I was looking forward to seeing Arianne Martell, but honestly I shouldn't be surprised at this point that they've done this. It's just disappointing that the show has this habit of not just killing characters that don't die in the books, but also cutting out characters who may play an important part of the story and plot later on, among the many other problems with altering the story. GRRM actually mentions this during the panel, throwing some marvelous shade at D&D/HBO. I'm wondering if his decision to not write an episode next season is partly because he wants to distance himself from the show. I wouldn't blame him if that were the case.

++ First look at Wonder Woman for Batman vs. Superman. Honestly, my ideal Wonder Woman is between Gina Torres, Bridget Regan, and Morena Baccarin, and I wish she'd actually have her own damn movie already, but the outfit? I dig.

++ I haven't seen one yet, but I'm hoping someone out there has a video of the entire Women Who Kick Ass panel and not have it be nonexistent like last year. I like hearing what these women have to say, especially when it consists of calling out some of the double standards and sexism within the industry, and hearing their stories of the struggle they deal with on a daily basis. And the lineup this year looked great, although I wished Sophie Turner would have joined in too. Sansa Stark might not wield a sword, but dammit she deserves to be recognized as a badass as well.
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orangerfulorangerful on July 27th, 2014 05:01 pm (UTC)
Oh Stephen, living the dream! haha. What a lucky bastard. I hope they put the blooper reels up online like they did for Hannibal, SHIELD and GoT.
Renéerogueslayer452 on July 27th, 2014 09:40 pm (UTC)
Being the ultimate Tolkien geek himself, I'm not surprised he managed to snag the position to host the panel, in costume no less. And I loved the audience chanting his name at the beginning. Truly living the dream. This is one of the times I wished I could have been there to experience it.

Unless someone managed to secretly film it from the audience, I don't think anything official will come out, unfortunately. We'll have to wait until the exclusive director's extended DVD/Blu Ray set of all six films.
verdande_miverdande_mi on July 27th, 2014 05:50 pm (UTC)
Still no trailer five armies trailer :( I hope we get to see it in the coming week. I haven’t seen the comic con panel, I can’t decide if I want to or not. I really, really want to see the bloopers that I’ve heard about as well.

I’m not sure how much longer I will tune in to Game of Thrones; there are things on it I just wish were handled better and then there are characters we never even get to see as you say. There are just so many things that add up to something nearing massive for me. And I saw GRRM speak of killing off Jeyne as well, and loved it. D&M and others has made a lot of strange and unbecoming decisions I think. If only the show wasn’t terrific when it gets things right!

I haven’t seen a link to the women who kick ass panel, but I have a link to another one that focus on women: a conversation with badass women mystery guests’ feat. Sophie Turner among others. here you go
Renée: House Martell.rogueslayer452 on July 27th, 2014 10:47 pm (UTC)
Apparently the teaser trailer will come out tomorrow! It's just been confirmed! :D

If only the show wasn’t terrific when it gets things right!

It's why I've had a complicated relationship with the show. There are particular scenes that are taken directly from the books, and when they do things right they do them well. But when they don't do it right, when they make decisions that make no sense to even the television narrative, it's a huge clusterfuck.

I'm also tired of having to prepare myself through warnings about the horrific rape scenes and unnecessary exploitation/sex scenes, and sitting through unfortunate character assassinations. It's why I've decided not to tune in anymore, and only watch the relevant scenes I'm interested in when they're uploaded onto Youtube.

Thank you for the link!
verdande_miverdande_mi on July 27th, 2014 11:19 pm (UTC)
I just saw this on tumblr :D I'm glad I don't have to wait more days!

I'm not at the end of the rope in regards to Game of thrones yet, but I might get their fast and I agree with everything you said. There is too much clusterfuck and really so much of it could have been done better. Like actual plot instead of exploiation/sex/rape that serves no purpose to the story.

You're welcome :)I want to see the one you asked for as well, but I haven't seen or found a link. I hope it shows up at some point.
Renéerogueslayer452 on July 28th, 2014 06:16 am (UTC)
I'm glad too! But I'm also scared, because I am so not emotionally prepared for anything.

Here's a tiny clip from that panel, and it's basically Natalie Dormer being awesome as usual. I wish someone would upload the entire panel, though. I'm keeping my eye out.
verdande_miverdande_mi on July 30th, 2014 09:44 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if you've found the Women who kick ass panel or not, but in case you haven't here it is.

And Natalie Dormer is totally awesome :)I love how she speaks her mind!
Renée: Nikita. Femme Fatale.rogueslayer452 on July 31st, 2014 09:57 am (UTC)
And saw it earlier, and I'm very pleased that there's finally video of the entire panel! :D

And yes, I love Natalie Dormer, she is so eloquent in speaking in mind and calling out the bullshit she sees while in the business. I loved her mentioning Anne Boleyn, since I know she has quite an influence about how the character was to be presented versus what the writers/producers wanted. And, ugh, I love her so much. ♥
verdande_miverdande_mi on July 31st, 2014 10:49 am (UTC)
After hearing Natalie Dormer speak at this panel she is my new crush :) She tells it as it is and is well spoken and funny. I haven't seen The Tudors (I probably should), so I can't comment on her role as Anne Boyelyn, but I am all for her challangeing the writes/producers in a direction she felt more authentic and true for her character.
potentiality_26potentiality_26 on July 27th, 2014 07:05 pm (UTC)
I don't watch Game of Thrones, but I can see the annoyance at changes being made. I only read a few of the books, but anything that complicated has a delicate balance, and they can't just mess with it like that when it isn't finished and they don't know what will be important later.

I am very much married to the Gina Torres as Wonder Woman notion, but I'll admit those pictures are lovely. That said, I hated Man of Steel with the passion of a thousand fiery suns, and unless this movie is in fact about Wonder Woman saving the world while Batman and Superman beat each other up in the distance (which it isn't) I'm not seeing it.

I hope the Women Who Kick Ass panel was good. I've heard the fanboys had to sit through it to see the Marvel panel, which is excellent.
Renée: House Targaryen.rogueslayer452 on July 27th, 2014 11:13 pm (UTC)
they can't just mess with it like that when it isn't finished and they don't know what will be important later.

It's been mentioned that GRRM has told them some things, knowing that the show would eventually catch up and even end before the books do. But it still doesn't explain or excuse their choices and decisions for certain things, and even GRRM has made less-than-pleased comments about these drastic alterations (that panel not withstanding).

I understand making changes and even cutting things out to fit into the television medium, especially with something so complicated and huge as ASOIAF, and I'm usually forgiving in that aspect of trying to adapt something of that magnitude -- but they should at least try to make it work with that world and have things that are relevant to the story and plot be forefront. I mean, they've cut essential characters and surprise elements and have altered timelines, and give flimsy excuses for it.

I watched the show first before picking up/reading up on the books. But at this point, I much prefer the books than the show. At this point, they're both separate entities.

unless this movie is in fact about Wonder Woman saving the world while Batman and Superman beat each other up in the distance (which it isn't) I'm not seeing it.

That's my attitude, as well. I'm not interested in anything Batman and I didn't see Man of Steel, and have no intention to, and I'm not going to suffer a film with them unnecessarily duking it out just to see if this Wonder Woman in action. I'd rather have her be in her own damn movie.

But, just like with Black Widow, we're going to have to wait. *sigh*

I've heard the fanboys had to sit through it to see the Marvel panel, which is excellent.

I remember hearing about last year's panel and reading about the men who were whining and complaining in the audience about the women on the panel discussing sexism. Because, how dare they say they're individuals and not eyecandy! How dare they call out the unfairness in the industry! I wonder if that's how things went down this year, lol.
giallarhorn: Jack mehgiallarhorn on July 29th, 2014 04:29 am (UTC)
I'm 90% sure that we're not going to see said character who wasn't around the end of last season, because they said that she 'didn't fit in with the rest of the show'.

At this point in time, I'm just wondering why it's been taking Martin this long to start trying to distance himself from the show.
Renée: House Martell.rogueslayer452 on July 30th, 2014 03:07 am (UTC)
Which I still think is a bullshit excuse. But honestly, with the way D&D have conducted the show, especially after S1, they just are putting what they think the series should be and leaving everything else out that is actually relevant to the plot. Despite the presence of dragons and White Walkers, there's less of the fantasy element as presented in the books and more of your typical HBO drama, which is perhaps why they think LSH doesn't "fit" according to their vision.

I just don't know. The show has become so fragmented now anyway with them screwing with timelines and characterizations and arcs and whatnot, that it really doesn't matter at this point.
˚ * 。●★ skywalker ★● 。* ˚: asoiaf } oberyndustofempires on July 30th, 2014 08:09 pm (UTC)
OMG I love Gal Gadot and she's gonna make a BADASS Wonder Woman! Waaay more concerned about Ben Affleck. The man can act when he's directed well and idk.. feels like it, but so often disappoints as well. It's funny, also, that I used to collect this Superman/Batman comics (no idea whatsoever if the movie's gonna be based off those) but I'm not at all keeping up to date with this movie, nor any other DC movies tbh. Like I haven't even seen Man of Steel yet, even though I love Henry Cavill =')

Also, the Game of Thrones things.. I just don't know man =( Why the hell did they write off Arianne, that's just total bullshit. I don't get it. This whole GRRM vs D&D situation also makes me really uncomfortable somehow =(
Renée: House Martell.rogueslayer452 on July 31st, 2014 04:02 pm (UTC)
I'm not really into Batman or Superman, and I have absolutely no intentions on seeing the film anyway. I just really want a (well-written) Wonder Woman movie, unfortunately it's highly unlikely we'll be getting one anytime soon.

Also, the Game of Thrones things.. I just don't know man =(

I don't know either. :/

It's not that I don't understand why changes are necessary, since all adaptations do this and it's kind of impossible to add everything from the books, but it's more of the decisions and excuses they make for changing and altering things make no sense, and not even for the narrative of the show itself. They also seem to be very selective about what they choose to adapt versus what is necessary to adapt to tell the story fluently, by which I mean they're basically choosing their favorite moments and excluding everything else. Also, the show has kind of done away with most of the fantasy elements that the books have, or have changed how that world operates in such a way. I will never forgive them for messing up everything about Dany's storyline in Qarth, including the House of the Undying.

I'm rather curious about the whole GRRM vs. D&D thing, because I'm really interested in hearing what GRRM's real opinions are. At this point he has basically stated that "the show is the show, the books are the books", essentially resigning to the fact that the show isn't following the story the books are telling. But I have a feeling there's more behind-the-scenes than just that, given the slight shade at the SDCC panel. But then, idk.
˚ * 。●★ skywalker ★● 。* ˚: asoiaf } text } house martelldustofempires on August 2nd, 2014 07:10 pm (UTC)
Totally agreed about a WW movie, but indeed.. "A movie where the main character's a woman? haha RIGHTTT" or then we get shit like Twilight or something idk.

I also get the feeling they're taking this out of GRRM's hands a little. Which makes me very uneasy not to say pretty damn annoyed, cause I'm of the "author is god" persuasion. I get that they can't follow the books to the letter, cause it's a different medium and I'm totally okay with that! But like you said, it seems to be key stuff they change and I don't really know where they're going with it. Also, this brings back the whole "the show might be finished before the books" thing and that's just freaking me out a little, and GRRM really has to have the final word at least there!