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07 July 2018 @ 08:35 pm
Just a little peevish.  
Taken from author_by_night's list of writing prompts:

List five pet peeves.

Pretty simple enough, though I'm dividing this into two separate categories. One is for real life pet peeves, the other is for fandom-related pet peeves.

Real Life/General Pet Peeves

01. Pushy drivers who get irrationally angry when you don't automatically turn right on red. Here in the US we drive on the righthand side of the road, which means the majority of the time you can turn right on a red light into merging traffic, when it is safe, of course. It's not a mandatory rule, it's by your own discretion. However, needless to say this doesn't mean people won't be assholes about it when you don't immediately turn when they think the coast is clear when I'm the one looking and deciding whether it's safe to go or not. They'll impatiently honk at you, even go so far as try to inch closer to your car as if to make "a point" that you need to go. Like, yeah, I see your exaggerated facial expressions in my rearview mirror and I'm sorry you can't patiently wait another fucking minute before the light turns green, but I'm trying to be cautious and safe and you being an asshole just ups my anxiety levels even more, jfc.

02. People who don't turn off lights when they're not in the room. Just, y'know, conserve energy and don't waste electricity because that costs money and shit. It's not that difficult to turn off the light switch when you leave the room. The same goes for not closing doors/cabinets/drawers/etc. I understand being forgetful, since I do this sometimes too, but consistently being forgetful is annoying and rather inconsiderate.

03. People thinking it's okay to ask personal, invasive questions. As in the "are you married yet?" and "do you have children yet?" types of questions. Sadly, this is considered "small talk" among society (something I already hate in general), but it honestly peeves me that not only do certain people not understand how none of this is their business, they also act incredibly offended when you decline to answer or give a curt response. Like, how is my personal life something you need to know? This is especially irritating because even when you give a brief answer they follow-up with more personal questions. Just, please leave me alone.

04. "Long time lurker, first time poster." I cringe anytime I see this being written on any kind of online forum or advice column. I don't know why, but it sounds so cheesy.

05. Elitists and snobs in general. This can be for anything: movies, television, music, books, fashion, education, etc. Basically anyone who thinks that they are superior and look down on others for being lesser than because they don't like what they like or do what they think should be done. The biggest one for me is education, because while everyone has a preference for media (some exclaiming theirs louder than others), the sense of entitlement when it comes to education bothers me even more. Not everyone is able to get a higher education, hell not everyone is able to finish high school, not everyone is able to get their diplomas or even get a degree. Thinking lesser of someone who doesn't follow that particular path doesn't make you better, it makes you an asshole.


Fandom Pet Peeves

01. Abusing the tagging system on AO3. I feel like this is 100% due to Tumblr, where tag conversations are considered the normal way of writing out your thoughts on your blog and posts. However, on any other site outside of Tumblr this is rather disruptive, not only since tagging systems aren't infinite, but also tagging isn't meant for your personal thoughts or conversations but for organization. I don't mind the single tag or two that is just a sentence, but when people go overboard with adding tags about their personal feelings/thoughts it's like, why not just write that in the summary or within the post itself? It makes no sense and it bothers me to the point where I won't even read the fic. This is something that certain people need to learn about understanding your surroundings. You're not on Tumblr, you're on another site that has its own way of operating, especially with their tagging system, so it's best to adjust and act accordingly.

02. Fandom purity culture. I could do an entire post ranting about this, honestly. As someone who has been actively involved with fandom for a long, long time now, everything surrounding the current state of fandom (mostly on Tumblr since this toxicity started from there and it has since started to infect into other places as well) just gives me a headache. The lack of critical thinking, not minding your own fucking business, the failure to understand that what you dislike someone else might like and that's okay, and just the overall aspect of trying to "outwoke" each other in some strange morality superiority complex is so completely juvenile and ridiculous.

03. Entitled fans who don't understand boundaries and tact. Since the growing popularity of fandom in pop culture in recent years, the boundary line between keeping fandom things within the fandom have started to blur. Fans are now able to interact directly to their favorite actor or creator, which can be great for the most part, but sometimes you get really demanding fans who show their gross sense of entitlement. Whether it's on social media or at conventions, they end up throwing respect out the window and decide to badger them at panels or harass them on Twitter only to validate their own interests and needs, thinking that these actors/celebrities/creators "owe" them something, and it's absolutely appalling. It paints a bad picture of fandom as a whole.

04. Shipping wars. For anyone in fandom, shipping wars are probably the biggest pet peeve of all because it's just so nonsensical. Who cares who ships who? How does it affect your life? You're not going to change that person's mind on their shipping preferences, and they're not going to change yours. So why bother? What is the point? It's, again, the entitlement of certain fans who just need something to be angry about. Yes, there are ships that I don't like, don't understand, or even outright hate, but I'm not going to hate on anyone who ships them. Why? Because I'm not an asshole. Ship and let ship. Fandom should go back to practicing this instead of fighting over which ship is the "purest" or "less toxic", as if that was ever the purpose of shipping in the first place.

05. Less metas, more fandom wanks. Granted, "fandom wank" has now become "discourse" over on the Tumblr side of fandom (which should be referred to as "fandom wank" because that's what it is, though I digress), but the statement still stands that there seems to be less metas or places for discussion about anything fandom-related and more just people screaming into a void. That doesn't mean there still isn't some fascinating pieces of metas and written essays to be found, it's just often overshadowed by other things in fandom nowadays, and sometimes even hijacked by people who want to derail the actual conversation. That part especially ticks me off.
 
 
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what doesn't kill me better runcarlyinrome on July 8th, 2018 04:09 am (UTC)

PREACH on fandom! I agree so much I am practically holding up a lighter and swaying.

Renée: BSG. Sharon Valerii.rogueslayer452 on July 9th, 2018 04:53 am (UTC)
I just feel like I've been in fandom for so long that I've seen practically everything, that all the recent dramas and wanks are nothing new, just wrapped differently.
Meredithxfirefly9x on July 8th, 2018 11:04 am (UTC)
YES to all the fandom ones.
Renée: Rey. Child of the Desert.rogueslayer452 on July 9th, 2018 05:13 am (UTC)
At times I feel like a fandom grandmother. I've been involved with fandom far too long that I've seen so much, that every new wank that comes out is just the same shit, just dressed differently. And I'm tired. Everyone needs to chillax and just enjoy what you like and leave other people alone.
author_by_night: Pawnee sign by nuv0le_rapideauthor_by_night on July 8th, 2018 11:21 am (UTC)

01. Pushy drivers who get irrationally angry when you don't automatically turn right on red.


They also need to consider that you may see something they don't, i.e. a trailer truck that was still turning, a kid crossing the street, etc.

Like, how is my personal life something you need to know?

People also don't consider how potentially painful this can be. What if you'd just broken up with a long-time significant other, or even fiance? What if you'd just miscarried? No one has any idea.

Also, weird personal questions in general, well, weird me out. Like half the memes on the internet, which is why I created this one. :P "Have you ever witnessed a love one getting murdered?" Jesus Fried Chicken, meme. Why would I want to think about that if the answer were yes?!

Not everyone is able to get a higher education, hell not everyone is able to finish high school, not everyone is able to get their diplomas or even get a degree. Thinking lesser of someone who doesn't follow that particular path doesn't make you better, it makes you an asshole.

People also don't realize how modern education is. I won't bore you with a genealogy rant, but what I've learned is that as recently as the 1940's (which really isn't that long ago), there were a lot of people who'd only had an 8th grade education. We've started pushing it more and more, which is mostly okay (at times, I think it's misguided), but the snobbery that comes with it is not okay.

Whether it's on social media or at conventions, they end up throwing respect out the window and decide to badger them at panels or harass them on Twitter only to validate their own interests and needs, thinking that these actors/celebrities/creators "owe" them something, and it's absolutely appalling

Yeah, that really bothers me.

Fandom should go back to practicing this instead of fighting over which ship is the "purest" or "less toxic", as if that was ever the purpose of shipping in the first place.

... I'm so confused. Did tumblr fandom to a complete turnaround? Even LJ fandom seems to still be all about the MOST "impure" ships, as they'd call it.
Of course, I might be completely misunderstanding the context. I'm not at all involved in tumblr culture.

sometimes even hijacked by people who want to derail the actual conversation. That part especially ticks me off.

I don't think fandom really knows how to meta anymore. realize tumblr is an entirely different ballpark, so I won't touch that, but I do feel elsewhere, it's really hard to come upon good meta and speculations. Conversations tend to either go really literal, or be quite... basic, honestly. I thought I found a community for a show I like, but I'm starting to notice that my more fun, meta stuff just loses other fans. The discussion needs to be very literal. There is SOME Old School meta bouncing, but not a whole lot. There's also a lot of emphasis on the cast. In this case, it's kind of understandable, because this particular star was a big name on YouTube before she got her own show. Still, in general I find discussion about the cast or interviews will supersede fan discussion, and I don't really care about that as much. I'm more interested in this actress than I am a lot of others, because she seems like an awesome person, but I don't really care about every interview she's doing. The community is still much more meta friendly than most I've found, but it's still harder to come by and work with.

I think too some of it is that fandom tends to be geekier than nerdier these days? So people either "geek out" about things, but geeking out is different from nerding out. You can geek out about baseball. A baseball "geek" probably doesn't care about the history of sports uniforms. They do care about every play-by-play and the biographies of their favorite athletes. Whereas a baseball "nerd" is very interested in the history of sports uniforms. So maybe it's a bit like that here? I'm interacting with fans who want to be huge fans in the moment, whereas I want to speculate on every single character's backstory.

tumblr seems to also bring social justice into it, and... yeesh. That's so difficult. I think it can be done well, but not the way tumblr tends to do it.
noybusiness: WolfCubsnoybusiness on July 8th, 2018 06:07 pm (UTC)
... I'm so confused. Did tumblr fandom to a complete turnaround? Even LJ fandom seems to still be all about the MOST "impure" ships, as they'd call it.
Of course, I might be completely misunderstanding the context. I'm not at all involved in tumblr culture.


Pure =/= canonical, if that's what you mean is confusing you and you're referring to how a lot of popular ships are non-canonical or subtext-based or guilty pleasures. Which is fine. But shippers of certain non-canonical ships can be the most hateful towards shippers of certain canonical ones and come up with reasons why theirs are "purer".

That's not even getting into things like the Cloud/Tifa vs Cloud/Aerith wars in FFVII fandom, which are pointless because it should be obvious that Cloud loved both women.

Edited at 2018-07-08 06:08 pm (UTC)
author_by_night: Pawnee sign by nuv0le_rapideauthor_by_night on July 8th, 2018 06:24 pm (UTC)
I thought the "pure" comment referred to something a bit different than what it apparently means. I'm out of step with current fandom, at least when it comes to Ao3 and tumblr.

I certainly remember the canon versus non-canon ships when I was more involved in shipping stuff. I always tended towards canon ships, and it drove me nuts, although I knew a fair amount of elitist canon shippers as well. What's the big deal? Ship and let ship.

noybusiness: WolfCubsnoybusiness on July 8th, 2018 07:17 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on July 9th, 2018 02:33 am (UTC)
They also need to consider that you may see something they don't, i.e. a trailer truck that was still turning, a kid crossing the street, etc.

Exactly. But of course, when they're in a "hurry" or are having a bad day they can get irritated pretty quickly to just think irrationally without considering those points. Which is how most road rages often happen.

People also don't consider how potentially painful this can be.

Yeah, I think society has been conditioned to think that this is normal that most cannot see how invasive it actually is. How is my personal life anyone else's business? Why should I share something if you're only going to ask more questions of the same thing, since it often leads to them persistently poking and prodding you for details about your life and ignoring your boundaries.

Also, weird personal questions in general, well, weird me out. Like half the memes on the internet, which is why I created this one. :P

Which I really appreciate. :) I'm not fond of the memes that go personal, either. I like questions that are thought-provoking and gives me something to write about, which can sometimes get a bit personal but never in an intrusive manner.

We've started pushing it more and more, which is mostly okay (at times, I think it's misguided), but the snobbery that comes with it is not okay.

I absolutely believe that education is important, but I also know how fucked up our education system is. People have unrealistic expectations due to how it's pushed so hard and sometimes end up getting mentally and emotionally drained and burned out from it. I know that I, personally, was rather unconventional with my schooling because the traditional methods weren't working for me.

... I'm so confused. Did tumblr fandom to a complete turnaround? Even LJ fandom seems to still be all about the MOST "impure" ships, as they'd call it. Of course, I might be completely misunderstanding the context. I'm not at all involved in tumblr culture.

Basically, this is what I'm talking about, which gives a basic breakdown of what it all means. It's essentially the inherent dislike for anything that they personally deem is "problematic". It's a combination of call-out culture (another dangerous thing that has gotten out of hand in recent years), social justice, and the need to feel superior with playing moral police. Interestingly, it's hard to really calculate how widespread it is on Tumblr overall because it's a massive site with many users, but from my observations it seems pretty divided. There are plenty of people who are opposed to fandom purity culture and call it out for being dangerous and toxic, and the puritans are just the loud minority. But this mentality is something that's been spreading beyond the Tumblrsphere so it's quite, well, alarming seeing this mindset elsewhere.
Renée: House Martell.rogueslayer452 on July 9th, 2018 04:09 am (UTC)
I don't think fandom really knows how to meta anymore.

It's kind of sad, to be honest. I think for some it takes a lot of time and energy to write a perfectly written meta, and for others they probably don't want to read paragraphs and paragraphs of something. There was a facetious in-joke going around Tumblr about how everyone there has short-attention spans and anything that is paragraphs long they'll completely zone out or ignore. I get that it's kind of a self-deprecating kind of humor, like oh we're so used to shorthand one-sentence memes we can't pay attention to anything longer than that, it does often feel like there is a harsh reality to this.

It's like how you mentioned previously about how there are plenty of YouTube videos and even podcasts that do exactly what written metas have done, just in a more visual/audio format which sometimes can entice people more to watch and pay attention.

So maybe it's a bit like that here? I'm interacting with fans who want to be huge fans in the moment, whereas I want to speculate on every single character's backstory.

I understand this sentiment, because I've noticed this myself in some of my fandoms. Granted, almost every fandom has people speculating and creating headcanons and such, which is fantastic, but sometimes they don't get into the nitty gritty of who the characters are as people, their motivations, extensive background, of dissecting almost every piece of canon to figure them out and their relationships with other characters, etc. It's fine to be on the surface interested in something, but sometimes I do want interaction with people who want more than just the fluffy stuff, y'know?

tumblr seems to also bring social justice into it, and... yeesh. That's so difficult. I think it can be done well, but not the way tumblr tends to do it.

I think it's important to acknowledge social issues and how we consume media, those discussions need to happen, but the way Tumblr goes about it is incredibly black and white thinking which is rather counterproductive and goes into a very dangerous direction, because it's about bullying others and not even bothering to think critically or see other perspectives and have healthy debates and discussions.
author_by_night: Pawnee sign by nuv0le_rapideauthor_by_night on July 9th, 2018 08:06 am (UTC)

It's like how you mentioned previously about how there are plenty of YouTube videos and even podcasts that do exactly what written metas have done, just in a more visual/audio format which sometimes can entice people more to watch and pay attention.


Yeah. And i really don't even know how that works, because like I also said, I find that way... harder? I can read a piece of meta on my lunch break at work. I can't watch a video. I mean, the only thing I will say is that podcasts allow me to listen while I'm otherwise occupied, which is nice - I can still do things I need to do (that don't involve being at a computer). But videos? Seriously, who has time to watch a 40 minute meta video? I mean, I sometimes do, but not enough that it can possibly be my only source of fandom.

but sometimes they don't get into the nitty gritty of who the characters are as people, their motivations, extensive background, of dissecting almost every piece of canon to figure them out and their relationships with other characters, etc. It's fine to be on the surface interested in something, but sometimes I do want interaction with people who want more than just the fluffy stuff, y'know?

Exactly!

I find the tumblr mentality scary, and it's spilled into other spheres. People also don't realize that as long as you get mad at people who have even a marginally differing view, or who dare try asking for clarification, you're pushing them away. Especially the latter. People underestimate how many people really do not understand things, as well as the fact that even they (inevitably) have areas where they're less knowledgeable. I get that some people are willfully ignorant, but there's willful ignorance and there's just not realizing things. I once posted about something on LJ I now realize was kinda problematic, because I was oblivious. Luckily people explained to me why I was in the wrong, and I got the message. I still appreciate them explaining it before I ended up an internet meme, or hurting someone's feelings.

They're also utterly unwilling to have any nuanced discussions. Although that I think sometimes comes down to, in fairness, a difference in how people use the internet. I've realized - sometimes far too late - that people weren't really going for discussion as much as they were just... trying to get out their thoughts. Which is actually fair, especially if it's somewhere like LJ, but it also makes it tricky because I feel like I've ended up in arguments simply because I thought we were having a conversation about a topic, only for them to really just want to espouse one thing.

(What's really ironic is that IRL, I'm working on not over-apologizing. Yet I feel like in order to comment on anything online anymore, I have to over-apologize. "In quoting what Donald Trump said in his tweet, I am not saying I agree with him. I disagree with Donald Trump. I am merely saying what he said in his tweet to show that I do not agree, because I think the tweet - which I don't agree with - is terrible." Obvious exaggeration is obvious, but good lord, I should not have to work so hard.)

Edited at 2018-07-09 08:10 am (UTC)
Renée: Haven. Audrey Parker.rogueslayer452 on July 9th, 2018 05:01 pm (UTC)
But videos? Seriously, who has time to watch a 40 minute meta video? I mean, I sometimes do, but not enough that it can possibly be my only source of fandom.

A lot of the videos I've watched that focus on analyzing certain things in fandom are about around ten minutes or less, though I have found videos that are much longer than that but somehow still managed to watch all of it. Perhaps not in one sitting, but if it's interesting enough I'll be compelled to finish it until the end. It does depend on the individual doing the video, if they're enticing enough to continue watching, and if they present their arguments and point across well.

People underestimate how many people really do not understand things, as well as the fact that even they (inevitably) have areas where they're less knowledgeable. I get that some people are willfully ignorant, but there's willful ignorance and there's just not realizing things.

That is definitely one of the biggest issues Tumblr has, and it's such a dangerous and toxic mentality to have because it's unrealistic to assume that everyone knows everything, and if they don't then they're somehow the problem and deserve to be bullied. I want to imagine how these people are in real life, because I doubt they're going around loudly shaming people who aren't knowledgeable in certain subjects, in the "how dare you not know about this!" kind of manner. So why do they think it's okay to do that online? Oh right, because online anonymity somehow permits them to be assholes, and bonus points for acting like they give a shit about social issues in general.

The sad thing about this mentality is that it reinforces people to remain silent or complicit in these kinds of situations, because they're afraid of saying something some would deem "problematic" and thereby get bullied by these individuals. There is a way of educating people on things they're unaware of without being an asshole, but unfortunately some just can't grasp the concept of not taking things personally, or unable to understand that not everything is an activist action.

What's really ironic is that IRL, I'm working on not over-apologizing. Yet I feel like in order to comment on anything online anymore, I have to over-apologize.

Yeah, same here. With being online, there is this overall atmosphere that you have to be walking on eggshells around everyone because you don't want to set anyone off, even if you are genuinely clueless or curious or just want to speak your own opinion, and you have to constantly apologize and over-apologize to make sure people know that you're not an asshole. Whereas in real life, I'm trying hard to not excessively apologize for everything.

It's strange, but an interesting and fascinating look into human interaction, online versus real life. Online anonymity allows people to say or do things they wouldn't normally do in real life because there are no immediate repercussions. At least, to an extent, because if someone gets exposed for saying/doing something less than favorable and it bleeds into their real life they are quick to apologize (whether they're actually sorry and acknowledge their wrongdoings or not) because they're aware that it means they'll suffer real life consequences for their actions (ex: employees who end up getting fired from their jobs after making horrific comments that reflects badly not just on them but on the company). I sometimes feel like there is a sense of removal of reality when it comes to how people present themselves online, where they feel they are untouchable, that even in the context of, say, those who claim they care about social justice they actually don't because they're not doing anything productive for the cause in real life. They just love claiming they care and spend a lot of time putting down others who aren't that "woke" because it makes them feel better about themselves, not realizing how hypocritical they actually are in their behavior.

(Sorry, I kinda got a little carried away there at the end, but it's an interesting topic worth dissecting and discussing....)
itsnotmymind: aliceitsnotmymind on July 8th, 2018 01:18 pm (UTC)
People thinking it's okay to ask personal, invasive questions. As in the "are you married yet?" and "do you have children yet?" types of questions.

You know, in theory I don't mind those questions, but when it comes out that, for example, I've never had a romantic relationship, or that until recently I didn't have a driver's license, people feel the need to act shocked and ask why. I don't appreciate that.

What exactly is fandom purity culture? I deleted my tumblr a year so ago, and don't follow tumblr that closely.

Edited at 2018-07-08 01:19 pm (UTC)
noybusiness: samdeehighschoolnoybusiness on July 8th, 2018 06:10 pm (UTC)
I've never had a romantic relationship, or that until recently I didn't have a driver's license

Neither have I (unless a reciprocated crush in elementary school counts), and I'm working on my license. Haven't gotten those reactions solely because I haven't been in a situation to tell people.

Edited at 2018-07-08 06:11 pm (UTC)
itsnotmymind: buffy cross necklaceitsnotmymind on July 9th, 2018 12:30 pm (UTC)
You are lucky you have managed to avoid those kinds of reactions. I've actually been mutually in love with more than one person, but for various reasons it never became a full-fledged "relationship". I hate when people ask me why I've never had a romantic relationship, because the only honest answer I can give them is "I don't know". I should turn the question back on them, and ask them why they have had romantic relationship(s).
noybusiness: samdeehighschoolnoybusiness on July 9th, 2018 01:40 pm (UTC)
For me it would be "I haven't met anyone I wanted to have one with". But it's none of their business. I wouldn't ask that question. Both due to politeness and due to not actually being curious about someone's personal life that way.
Renée: Pretty Little Liars. Spencer Hastings.rogueslayer452 on July 8th, 2018 10:54 pm (UTC)
people feel the need to act shocked and ask why. I don't appreciate that.

Yeah, exactly. Some people can be rather persistent and push you into answering so many questions when you don't want to, and don't even realize just how inappropriate they're being. I'm not obligated to answer your questions, and even if I give a very single word answer (such as "no") they have the audacity to look so shocked or offended and continuing their prodding.

I feel like there's a difference between people who are genuinely asking a question, but know how to phrase it in the correct tone along with knowing when to back off, and those who simply ask those kinds of questions just to start a conversation. The latter is less about you and more about them, imho.

What exactly is fandom purity culture? I deleted my tumblr a year so ago, and don't follow tumblr that closely.

The best explanation of it can be found here, which gives precisely the details of what it is and why it's a problem in the current fandom climate recently. It's sort of a combination of call-out culture, social justice, and the a ridiculous amount of superiority complex with being the moral police. It's pretty divided on Tumblr because there are a lot of rational minded people who know this is bullshit, but there are still impressionable young minds there who truly believe that this kind of behavior and mindset is acceptable because of activism.
Laura: The Martian: Quoteviolateraindrop on July 8th, 2018 02:22 pm (UTC)
OMG! Yes, the tagging. I also see this tumblr style on LJ occasionally and it's so annoying. Like you said, they are supposed to be for a better organization of stories.
Renée: Dark Matter. Two.rogueslayer452 on July 8th, 2018 10:11 pm (UTC)
I don't necessarily have a problem with that on LJ, since I've mostly seen some people have creative tags to personally organize things on their own journal, but it doesn't go beyond that. I think it helps that LJ has a finite amount of tagging spaces, at least the last I checked, so at least there is some control there.

(Granted now with the unnecessary automatic hashtag linking thing they added, it creates a whole mess of problems...)
noybusiness: Starbucknoybusiness on July 8th, 2018 06:12 pm (UTC)
Abusing the tagging system on AO3

Preach. I thought I was the only one who thought the overly specific and me-based tags on the majority of GoT fics I saw in my search results were too much, given that they were on the majority of GOT fics I saw in my search results.
Renée: Defiance. Irisa Nyria.rogueslayer452 on July 8th, 2018 10:04 pm (UTC)
I feel like there are a lot of people who are annoyed by it, but not a lot speak up about it. I do remember someone made a post on Tumblr a while back explaining the reasons why you shouldn't use the tagging system on AO3 the same way you do on Tumblr, and people commented agreeing, but nothing else came from that. idk if anything will be done in regards to it though, because how would they monitor it? Moderate all posts coming into AO3 and seeing if they're using the appropriate tags and not going overboard with? I imagine that would be so time consuming, especially since they just recently updated their tag filtering system which definitely took a lot of time in and of itself.

Basically, I wish more people (from Tumblr) understood that it is their responsibility to understand how different sites operate and how to use their tagging system appropriately.

As a sidenote, I also hate it when the tags go so overboard that you basically have to scroll down so much just to get to the summary. This usually goes for multi-chaptered or crossover fics, and it's also incredibly annoying, especially since most of what they're warning for only makes a brief appearance. I don't mind content warnings or even adding tags of particular tropes or things featured, but sometimes people can be unnecessarily excessive.
noybusiness: Starbucknoybusiness on July 8th, 2018 10:08 pm (UTC)
As a sidenote, I also hate it when the tags go so overboard that you basically have to scroll down so much just to get to the summary.

Yeah, in fact I thought that was the core of our complaint. Wall/mountain of text. And having so many makes it harder to parse any of them, anyway.

Edited at 2018-07-08 10:09 pm (UTC)
Renée: Elementary. Joan Watson.rogueslayer452 on July 8th, 2018 10:28 pm (UTC)
It's that, but it's also two different things. One are the long run-on sentences that people use in the tags that don't really belong there because they're so used to the Tumblr-style of tagging (as in, using tags as a way of expressing their personal thoughts), and the other is just adding so many tags (that are already presented in AO3) from different pairings to tropes and kinks and warnings that are rather unnecessarily excessive.

So, it's the same complaint about people abusing the tagging system, just with two different examples of why it's such an issue.

Edited at 2018-07-08 10:30 pm (UTC)
noybusiness: Starbucknoybusiness on July 8th, 2018 11:00 pm (UTC)
Both of which add up to the mountain of text that's hard to read, as well as looking random, weird and indulgent. Like the poster can't just use a few handy descriptors. And if you did manage to read all of the tags, it might basically give the whole story away.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on July 8th, 2018 10:58 pm (UTC)
Pushy drivers who get irrationally angry when you don't automatically turn right on red.

See also: people who tailgate you. I'm going the speed limit! Half the time, I'm going slightly OVER the speed limit, so get off my ass already!

And ditto to all the fandom ones. I really dislike "tumblr culture," (basically 2, 4, and 5) which yes, is not all of tumblr, but tumblr seems to have brought it about.
Renée: Daenerys. 100% Done.rogueslayer452 on July 8th, 2018 11:33 pm (UTC)
See also: people who tailgate you. I'm going the speed limit! Half the time, I'm going slightly OVER the speed limit, so get off my ass already!

I know, right? Once I had this person who definitely wasn't happy that I didn't turn right on red (I couldn't see clearly, something was blocking my vision and I listened to my instincts) because they honked at me and looked exasperated, and once we ended up turning they ended up tailgating me for a little bit before moving into the next lane, speeding up to go in front of me. Again, to make a point. Like, okay, not only are you giving me anxiety from your reckless actions, you're also being completely immature with your unnecessary road rage. It's not only a pet peeve when people do this sort of thing, it's also incredibly scary, as well.

I really dislike "tumblr culture," (basically 2, 4, and 5) which yes, is not all of tumblr, but tumblr seems to have brought it about.

Yeah, it's very frustrating. I do enjoy Tumblr for what it is for the most part, but the current state of fandom over there is just not in a good place. It's been a gradual thing over the years and sadly has bled into not just the general fandom overall but also outside of the Tumblrsphere, it's rather startling and unsettling, to say the least.
goldenusagigoldenusagi on July 8th, 2018 11:55 pm (UTC)
I just do NOT get the tailgating thing! Like, do you think you're going to get there any faster, if you're 15 feet away from me instead of 50?

Once, this guy kept tailgating me on a two lane road that has a speed limit of 45. I was going 50. When he just wouldn't get off my tail, I dropped down to 45. If I have to be annoyed, we're both going to be annoyed. And when the road turned and curved into residential, the speed drops to 35, and when I actually dropped to 35 then, he got super pissed. You could see him having a fit in the rear view mirror. And yes, I was doing it to annoy him, but I wasn't doing anything road ragey or antagonistic. I was just going the speed limit.
Renée: Heroes. Claire Bennet.rogueslayer452 on July 9th, 2018 03:10 am (UTC)
I just do NOT get the tailgating thing! Like, do you think you're going to get there any faster, if you're 15 feet away from me instead of 50?

It's more about trying to intimidate you than anything else.

I try not to let their bullying get to me because I know it's not about me, though it can be absolutely terrifying in the moment it's happening.