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11 November 2018 @ 04:08 pm
And so time goes on.  
++ So, the midterms elections happened and I can honestly say that I'm relatively relieved with the outcome. It's obviously not perfect, depending on individual states and their voting was like, but in the overall terms of the country it's a good step forward in comparison to how shitty the last few years have been. It gives a sense of hope and optimism for the future. Although after that came the sad stuff like another mass shooting and now the California wildfires that are still going (we're fine here, but the sky is very hazy and the air quality is shit).

++ For anyone who hasn't really been paying attention to this news, remember when Photobucket did the stupid thing by holding their images hostage unless you paid an obscene amount of money, and then reversed it after they got a new CEO? Apparently they done fucked up yet again by automatically adding watermarks on images that I think can only be removed if you pay for their new hosting package. Which yeah, no, fuck that. It makes looking to save icons and graphics people in fandom have made impossible, which pisses me off. And apparently Flickr has done something stupid too, similar to that of what PB initially did but worse. So if you have a Flickr account might as well save and move your images elsewhere.

++ I've been thinking a lot about the current state of television, or rather the way reboots/remakes/revivals have dominated everything. I answered a question a while back about not wishing any reboots of older shows because, at this point, they are unnecessary cash grabs with little to offer, which I've ranted about multiple times, but thinking about that got me wondering. Instead of reboots, what about spin-offs? It still holds the nostalgia factor of the originals but focuses on new characters and stories while expanding the already existing canon. I can think of quite a few shows that I feel would benefit from having spin-offs, to have their worlds further explored. I think it would be a better option than just resorting to completely remaking or reviving something entirely. While it could get out of hand like what's currently happening in media, since not everything needs spin-offs the same as not everything needs to be rebooted or have a revival series, I still think in moderation it can be done well when there's a decent idea behind it and if there's more to tell from that universe, not done only for the popularity.
 
 
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squint13squint13 on November 12th, 2018 07:12 am (UTC)
I don't mind reboots, generally, but I am starting to feel like 'eh, maybe we can chill a LITTLE bit now'. xD Obvs there have always been reboots and revivals, but it really has exploded at the moment. It's a little much when it's so much at once.

There are reboots I love or really like, and some I look forward to (Charlie's Angels with Kristen Stewart? Yes pls) but like. I don't want *every* show to end up being a reboot or a revival. Which it won't, but kinda feels like it. I want lots of new stuff too! I don't want a new queer show with main poc characters to be scrapped because a network would rather do a reboot that *maybe* have recurring queer poc characters. Like, still good - but it could've been great. I don't mind reboots that do something different, but they can keep their basically carbon copies.

Spin offs would be great though! ...I'm still waiting for another Primeval spin off, because I refuse to give up hope, lmao. xD (I just want more dino stuff xD)
Renée: Elementary. Joan Watson.rogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 08:52 am (UTC)
I don't mind reboots when they're done with care and respect for the original, but lately with the constant onslaught of reboots and revivals you just know that the majority of them aren't going to do that. They're just following the popularity bandwagon of what is the current trend. I've mentioned this before so it feels like a broken record, but it's true, since it feels like every single day there's an announcement for another reboot of something that ended not too long ago. Just recently, for example, it was announced that The 4400 was going to be rebooted for the CW, which I just mentally cringed and sighed and moved on because, well, that's the way things currently are right now. Reboots, remakes, revivals. It's the "re" era of television, and not for the better.

I don't want a new queer show with main poc characters to be scrapped because a network would rather do a reboot that *maybe* have recurring queer poc characters.

Exactly. This is one of the main problems I'm having whenever there's a reboot that is attempting to try and be more "woke" than the original. While it's good to want more diverse representation, I would rather have actual new original shows feature it instead of constantly trying to reboot something old that didn't have that previously.
Laura: SPN: The Real Ghostbustersviolateraindrop on November 12th, 2018 11:03 am (UTC)
I'm shocked at how some people just see it as given that not all votes are counted. That's not how a democracy works...then again, voting shouldn't require registration, let alone with a fixed party affiliation.

Photobucket is not loading at the moment and all images are broken. I wonder how long that has been going on. For now, I'm safe and my icons don't have watermarks, probably because I use less than 10% of the storage space. But the watermarks look really ugly and make saving icons and screencaps nearly impossible.
Flickr is actually worse...

One of the topics I read up on for my MA thesis actually explains nicely why reboots and revivals are a big thing at the moment: Seriality. People feel safe consuming things they already know, things that get repeated. It actually makes sense in the current political climate. Obviously, it is about money, but they wouldn't be making money if people wouldn't watch the rebooted/revived shows.

I wouldn't mind if some shows got additional seasons, but most of the shows they decide to reboot make me go "What? Why that one?" I have not watched a single reboot so far. Off the top of my head, the only revivals I watched were The X-Files and Prison Break. And it's not like anyone would do another season of BrainDead (which nobody watched) or Kings, shows I'd actually be interested in to see more of. If you asked me a couple of years ago, my answer would be a loud and clear "Pushing Daisies"! But I kinda lost faith in Fuller by now :/

I'd love a Person of Interest spin-off with Shaw and maybe the small group from Washington.
Supernatural tried two spin-off backdoor pilots which didn't work out, although a lot of people wanted the Wayward Sisters show. I also remember NCIS: LA doing one with a mobile investigator unit and these two episodes were awful. I think that spin-offs could also potentially add more diversity and more shows with female leads. If they have established something like Supernatural with only male characters, why not try a similar formula with a female, POC, or LGBT cast?
Renée: Jessica Jones.rogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 06:55 pm (UTC)
It sort of happens every election, doesn't it?

Photobucket continues to be a disappointment. I thought they had learned their lesson from keeping things hostage, apparently not. But ITA, Flickr's situation is much worse.

People feel safe consuming things they already know, things that get repeated. It actually makes sense in the current political climate.

This makes sense. I often find that while I do watch something new, if I had the choice between watching that new things and rewatching something I've already seen, I'll go with the latter. It's not that I don't want to watch something new, obviously, but sometimes it's a matter of being in the right mood and mindset, especially when it comes to something like binge-watching which is what most people seem to do nowadays. Having that sense of familiarity to fall back onto.

With that being said, I also haven't really watched any of the reboots that have been announced in recent years. Most of them sound dull, uninteresting, or are just super unnecessary to me. I already have the originals to watch, why would I bother looking at a remake? As for revivals, some can be good, but most are also completely unnecessary. Basically the lesson here seems to be: just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

If they have established something like Supernatural with only male characters, why not try a similar formula with a female, POC, or LGBT cast?

This is what I've been wondering, too. I stopped watching and caring about the show many years ago but I was among those who were confused when Wayward Sisters didn't get picked up because it seemed like that fandom was really wanting it and even pushing for it. But I recall the CEO of the CW saying that Supernatural wasn't ever going to have spin-offs because the main show is what mattered. Which is strange to say when The Vampire Diaries has, like, two spin-offs already. So it makes me think that TPTB at CW think that SPN only is successful because of its male leads. Which, yeah, take that how you will....
Laura: SPN: Quote: Carviolateraindrop on November 15th, 2018 08:11 pm (UTC)
I've actually heard about a study that found out that rewatching shows you know is more relaxing than watching something new which also makes sense.

being in the right mood and mindset, especially when it comes to something like binge-watching
That is so true!

Wayward Sisters had a lot of buzz online which is usually something the CW listens to. Well, actually they do that a little bit too much because I suspect that's part of the reason why they only care about the main show. I mean, that's what most people talk about online...I guess. I just watch the show.

When I saw that The Vampire Diaries got a second spin-off, I really started wondering who even cares about these shows. I occasionally see a gifset on my dash, but that's it.
Renée: Katherine. Curiosity.rogueslayer452 on November 16th, 2018 08:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, imho it's mostly about the comfort of it because you already know what's gonna happen, as opposed to watching something new where you don't.

Well, actually they do that a little bit too much

That's essentially the CW in a nutshell, I think. They listen too much but at the same time don't listen enough, if that makes any sort of sense. I could say that about other networks too, but most television networks operate on ratings versus popularity, the CW is different since a show could have shit ratings but if a fandom is loud enough they'll still accommodate to them. But they're also very selective, too, since even if a fandom is loud the CW can still ignore them in favor of something else. idk, I kinda stopped watching the CW altogether at this point.

I occasionally see a gifset on my dash, but that's it.

I haven't seen anything about Legacies, to be honest. Granted, I follow people that don't really care about those shows, but in terms of Legacies I haven't even seen anyone talking about it. But still, it makes me wonder, who wanted these spin-offs? I could understand The Originals because those characters were well-liked on TVD, but after like, the first or second season that show went downhill just as quickly as TVD. So why is Legacies even a thing? idek. I feel like while some fans might've been interested, I think this was Julie Plec's idea and the CW just gave her the go-ahead anyway, regardless of whether it was in high demand from the fandom or not.
Laura: Legends of Tomorrow: Leonard Snartviolateraindrop on November 16th, 2018 03:04 pm (UTC)
They listen too much but at the same time don't listen enough, if that makes any sort of sense.
It totally does!

Some people I follow watched TVD and definitely The Originals and I see gifsets from these shows. Nothing from Legacies though, I think. I can just go by the tags since I haven't watched any of these shows.
Lauren: Eleven/Amy Loveeowyn on November 12th, 2018 11:13 am (UTC)
Oh, Photobucket! How desperate.
Renée: Heroes. Claire Bennet.rogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 06:57 pm (UTC)
It really is a desperate move on their part. :/
haebin: until the endhaebin on November 12th, 2018 11:42 am (UTC)
I am glad to see that the midterms elections changed a little bit the whole situation in the US. I was nervous when the people voted and relieved when I saw some of the outcomes. I hope this is a big step in the future with more humanity and justice.

Photobucket sucks so much. And is that even legal? I mean, they don't have the rights for the pictures, right?
When I save my pics, I am the owner and the copyright is with me. Or am I wrong?

And why is it so hard to find a good source to upload your pictures?
Renée: Lost Girl. Bo. Succubus.rogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 08:43 pm (UTC)
I'm always nervous when it comes to voting, because I know that I do my part and that there are other rational people out there, but I also know that things are unpredictable and shit can go sideways. I'm just glad that the outcome wasn't disastrous this time, and that people will continue on with this progression for the next election.

And is that even legal? I mean, they don't have the rights for the pictures, right?

The watermark reads, "proudly hosted on Photobucket", which I'm assuming is for when it's for third-party hosting an image onto another site. I haven't even been on there so idk if it still remains when you log into your account or not, but even so, it's completely ridiculous and invasive to add an obnoxious watermark on something that isn't theirs as a way to "keep the site free", as they claim, as if they can't just continue on what the site used to be like for years before all this recent nonsense started happening. idk. It makes no logical sense why they would do this, it'll just drive people away even further.

And why is it so hard to find a good source to upload your pictures?

Companies are greedy and want money, and will do whatever it takes to get it even through ridiculous and obnoxious ways because they don't care about their customers. It's stupid.
haebin: brightest witchhaebin on November 13th, 2018 10:25 am (UTC)
The watermark reads, "proudly hosted on Photobucket"...">

THAT is so stupid.
-_-
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 14th, 2018 03:18 am (UTC)
It really is. :/ I find it ironic that they've tried to "win" people back with restoring the broken images but have still failed to understand that this is also hosting images hostage. Adding intrusive watermarks still breaks the image, tbh. Ugh.
author_by_night: LeslieBen by nuv0le_rapideauthor_by_night on November 12th, 2018 12:40 pm (UTC)
So, the midterms elections happened and I can honestly say that I'm relatively relieved with the outcome. It's obviously not perfect, depending on individual states and their voting was like, but in the overall terms of the country it's a good step forward in comparison to how shitty the last few years have been. It gives a sense of hope and optimism for the future.

Same here.

It makes looking to save icons and graphics people in fandom have made impossible, which pisses me off. And apparently Flickr has done something stupid too, similar to that of what PB initially did but worse.

I was going to argue that the big sites tend not to really give a damn about fandom (which is why I miss fansites*), but hasn't PB been historically pretty fandom oriented? Or am I wrong?

*Not that fan-sites were perfect, by any stretch. But at least there was a general premise of everyone being there for that fandom, or fandom in general if it was mutlifandom. Even LJ was always more than JUST fandom, which we all realized when new people took over who couldn't have cared less.

I can think of quite a few shows that I feel would benefit from having spin-offs, to have their worlds further explored.

I actually agree with you. I think that could potentially be very interesting. Spin-offs were popular for a while, with some being more successful than others. Frasier was a spin-off of Cheers, after all, and did really well considering how much they must've had to live up to. (I never watched Cheers, but my impression is that it was a pretty big deal in its time.) And of course Angel, although I didn't like Angel as much as Buffy... but Buffy also got a little weird. I think that was more it, Joss Whedon and Marti Noxon just changed up the game, and also, Buffy was sort of an unofficial spin-off once the Scoobies graduated high school. At least, that's how I always felt. It went from being a high school horror parody to being more of a straightforward supernatural drama. Which is still fine, it just changed. (I think aging high school characters is tricky no matter what, and arguably why even some reboots just don't work.)

What shows would you like to see get spin-offs? I was thinking about that.

Edited at 2018-11-12 12:43 pm (UTC)
Renée: BTVS. Buffy Summers.rogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 11:04 pm (UTC)
but hasn't PB been historically pretty fandom oriented? Or am I wrong?

From what I remember most people in fandom primarily used PB to host their icons/graphics, but I believe the site has always been used by everyone for a while now. Perhaps in the beginning fandom did mostly use it, but overtime fandom kind of find other image hosting places (or hosted it on their own servers, if they could) while PB became more used by non-fandom folks across the Internet. Which is why when they did their initial fucked up thing by disabling all images hosted from their site, everyone get pissed because it broke the whole Internet that was using PB as their main image hosting source.

Spin-offs were popular for a while, with some being more successful than others.

Yeah, and in a way they still exist but they're just not as rampant as I remember them being, or have a different way of being connected to each other (ex: any comic book adapted show having other shows spun off from them, like the DCTV on the CW or the Marvel series on Netflix, but that's different because they're of the comic book universe). Other shows try to have spin-offs made but they usually don't last as long or don't even get greenlit. I think it really depends on the show, the audience, and the confidence the network has in supporting said spin-off, not to mention the way television currently operates now with so much competition.

Granted, spin-offs are usually done either during or shortly after the original show has aired as a way of continuing the interest of the targeted audience, since I can't think of any that have happened years after the fact. However, in the reboot era we live in today, it wouldn't be so much of a stretch to try and do a spin-off of a show that ended some years ago.

Buffy was sort of an unofficial spin-off once the Scoobies graduated high school. At least, that's how I always felt. It went from being a high school horror parody to being more of a straightforward supernatural drama.

Well, for me, Buffy the Vampire Slayer remained consistent in terms of being a coming-of-age story, which is precisely how I viewed it. It had different stages of growing up, from high school, the transition of high school to college, and the struggles of young adulthood. All which remained completely relevant and stayed in tune with the horrors of growing up. Sunnydale being on a Hellmouth, especially the high school being directly on top of it, is the perfect metaphor or how being a teenager, and the transitioning into adulthood, is absolute hell. The show shifted depending on where Buffy and her friends were because that's how life is. It's much better than, say, teen shows nowadays that literally have ten seasons of them still being in high school.

What shows would you like to see get spin-offs? I was thinking about that.

Well, on the topic of BTVS I do think that it's not too late for another spin-off from that. Obviously I still wish there was a Faith and/or Giles spin-off series, but if we cannot get that then any kind of story featuring some of the Potential Slayers post-"Chosen" would be amazing, or even some of the previous Slayers pre-Buffy. I know with the supposed BTVS "reboot" announcement (which I haven't heard about since, tbh, so idk what's happening with that) they claim that it'll focus on a new Slayer, so technically that could be a spin-off in its own right.

Battlestar Galactica is another show that I would love to see another spin-off of. They already tried to prequel spin-offs, but they weren't even given the chance to shine (forever bitter about Caprica, tbh). But I like the idea of having another prequel series focusing on certain parts of that world.

I also think Firefly could benefit from a spin-off, too. A whole new adventures with new characters/crew, a connection to the old characters who may have a few cameos, but ultimately a spin-off that can feature things that never got to be told or shown of this world. Furthermore, I would love for actual Asians to be cast this time, along with other POC.
Profiterole_profiterole_ on November 12th, 2018 01:12 pm (UTC)
A lot of people went to Flickr after the first PB fail, they should know better than try and do something similar.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 11:07 pm (UTC)
Sadly, businesses don't care. In this situation, people's photos will automatically be deleted if they exceed a certain number unless they pay. Which is worse than holding their images hostage. I mean, think about people who aren't aware of this and will lose all their personal/memorable images they had there?
Nina: <derrière moi> bettyhoneymink on November 12th, 2018 02:04 pm (UTC)
I think the question of spin-offs is – does it take anything away from the original show. Not sure it fits the brief completely but … Supergirl has some sort of Red Kara storyline this season and it made me wish for Stargirl to be with her. Admittedly, that is because of the comic version where Kara and Courtney were foster sisters and enlisted into Russia's Soviet Air Force, as members of the Night Witches, the homeland's most lethal bombers. But I know that won't be happening because there's a live action version of Stargirl planned for next year with a completely new cast (not Sarah Grey who previously played her in The CW shows).

I admit I am watching "Legacies": I feel like I'm missing pieces because I never really watched the two parent shows but I think it can stand on its own. I suppose that's what a spin-off should ultimately aspire to.
Renéerogueslayer452 on November 12th, 2018 11:43 pm (UTC)
I think the question of spin-offs is – does it take anything away from the original show.

From my understanding, most spin-offs exist in the same universe as the original with possible cameos from other characters and crossover opportunities and even little things to connect them, but generally are their own thing. You can watch one without watching the other and still be good. Which, yeah, is precisely what spin-offs should be.
orangerfulorangerful on November 14th, 2018 03:59 am (UTC)
I think the thing that is the most obnoxious about Flickr is that *years* ago that was kinda how they ran things and you upgraded to Pro to get the unlimited space and then at some point they rolled that back and it was unlimited for everyone, so we all started dumping photos into there. Now they have been bought by SmugMug who probably said "WTF this doesn't work as a business model!" and is trying to get some sustainability in there. But once you give something way for free, it's not fair to switch over like that! And the 1000 photo limit is so low, all things considered.

I know they are offering a year at 30% off...I might do that just so I don't have to delete everything right now, have a year to weed out photos and see what happens. I was mostly using it for a back-up along with Google Photos. But searching around tonight, I don't see many other photo sites that are free. :\

I've said this before, and it might have been with you, but I really think the reason 'Stranger Things' was such a huge hit was that it was a love letter/homage to all those 80s scifi movies with kids as the central roles. It is it's own thing but it owes so much of what it is to other shows. I'd be fine with more shows like that - that are inspired by other things, don't have a problem admitting it, but are still their own thing. It leaves them more room to grow.

Sadly, none of the networks ever return our calls :P
Renée: Firefly. Inara Serra.rogueslayer452 on November 14th, 2018 08:19 am (UTC)
But once you give something way for free, it's not fair to switch over like that! And the 1000 photo limit is so low, all things considered.

Yeah, and while I have never used that site, the low limit is what kinda frustrates me about the whole thing because they're forcing anyone who has over that to either pay extra or have their photos automatically be lost/deleted forever by the company themselves. And that's so unfair and kinda shady for them to do. Because you're right, once they started doing the unlimited for everyone it's really shitty of them to basically spring this abruptly on everyone.

But searching around tonight, I don't see many other photo sites that are free. :\

I know. I remember that it wasn't too long ago that there were quite a handful of free image hosting sites, but they've all been either defunct or forcing people to pay. It really sucks how greedy companies can get. :/

I'd be fine with more shows like that - that are inspired by other things, don't have a problem admitting it, but are still their own thing. It leaves them more room to grow.

I completely agree. It's like, why do a reboot when you could simply create something original that was merely inspired by particular shows? By doing that, you're paying homage to the original but also be your own thing. It's also the trap of certain reboots because they try to be their own thing by doing something "different" while doing all the nostalgia thing, but most times just end up being nothing like the original aside from being in-name-only, so why even bother being a reboot at all? Why not just be your own show and say you were drawing inspiration from previous shows? There's a reason why most consider reboots lazy and unnecessary cash grabs.

And I really do like your Stranger Things example, because it's very true in terms of it drawing inspiration from a particular era and of certain things in pop culture while still telling its own story, being its own thing. I think many should learn to do this.